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MajikVenom....I'm not sure all of what he is using....I do know of shrooms, and other possible plants pschyedelics. He is on a opiate blocker program for the last few years. He claims he does not use dmt often but ya know....I think he does dude. There are fragmented bits of his personality all over the place man. He even says he acts different around different people. Well, we all do the that sometimes....like family functions with grandma and stuff :) I wonder about all those combos of stuff and how it interacts with his brain not to mention all the stress in his life right now.
 
Well what goes up must come down eventually. Since you say he has been on opiate blockers he likely has a addictive personality just like me.

A intervention by all of his friends may also help. Get his best friends together and tell him about your concerns, let him know that you can not tell him what to do but feel he should slow down because you care about him. He may want no help from you now but let him know you will be standing by if he changes his mind.
 
That has already happened. He knows all our concerns. Hopefully he doesn't come down too hard but we well all be here.

People says Dmt really changes them. Is that true?
 
Hey all!
Been a long time since my last post...thought I'd chime in since I am very familiar with "God Mode"....I think I actually coined the phrase a couple years ago. Anyone interested should search for my old posts.

As most of you know - many Eastern religions and metaphysical sources will tell you that we are ALL God. Not seperate gods, but a fragment of the one God, which in reality is all there is. The 60's philosopher Alan Watts explained it simply that God plays "hide & Seek" with himself by plunging into myriad forms of life to experience every possible experience in every possible dimension. He (we) have been doing this for eternity and will continue to do so forever. God tries to bury himself as deeply as possible to make the game last as long as possible before having to start a new game.

Whats a few billion years to you (God) when you've been alive FOREVER? A second on the clock? A microsecond? What does it even matter? Time only has meaning in this particular physical dimension. And few people (unlike Nexus members) even can fathom the infinite number of other dimensions out there! It's like a fractal that just keeps unwinding for infinity. And YOUR consciousness is the engine of this Reality. You have been alive FOREVER and will never die. Sure you may wear out this and many other "bodies" but YOU NEVER DIE. EVER. The goal for many seekers is to have an "awakening" or reach "enlightenment". Many meditate for life and never "wake up". Some will have a spontaneous awakening or a near death experience that triggers this awesome spiritual experience.

Some will "wake up" through the use of the entheogens that we (as God) littered the planet with in hopes of finding someday. I don't know the percentage of entheogen users that have "God Mode" experiences...but from my research it seems as if it is maybe one in 1,000. I know I searched thru thousands of "trip" reports trying to find others that had the experience. Now let me make it clear that I don't think myself superior for having "woke up".......sometimes I wished that I could have the "pretty lites & colors and entity contact" type experience, but those days are gone.

Now when one has a "God Mode" journey...you know right away why they call enlightenment an "awakening". You literally wake up from the dream of normal reality and remember w/o even a shadow of a doubt that you are God. You see everything expand and you know that this is the way it is supposed to be all the time- if you're damn EGO wasn't in the way screwing it up. You will never again fear death. In fact some might welcome it if it can make the change permanent. This is where problems can arise like the behavior of your friend. When you KNOW that you are God- integrating that back into normal daily life can be a bitch....especially if you have not studied eastern religions or metaphysics. If I hadn't had an extensive background in those subjects to "ground" me to this reality? I'm not sure how things would have turned out.

I'm quite sure many people have ended up under psychiatric care after having this experience. Some will probably do all they can to stay in God mode as long as possible by abusing whatever method got them there in the first place. Some will research and study and reach the conclusion that "they're not crazy", and find that many others have also "awoken". I'm sure this has been happening to people since cavemen started eating shrooms. It's a universal experience that crosses all cultural boundaries.

Without the proper background in the subject it could really throw you for a loop. I personally filled my house with art and wonderful things in a pathetic attempt to make it like it was "supposed to be". My library has doubled in size and I have found many confirmations that it is true- we ARE all God. The goal of life is wake up and remember who you really are. And once you do? If you survive the initial trauma you will settle into a new way of living. All the stupid crap that used to be important fades into the background and life takes on a new meaning. You realize that what really matters is to live in the moment.....you stop living other peoples lives and begin to really live your own life. You realize that it's only your childish Ego that puts all those thoughts of fear, worry, or illness into your head and you let them float away like leaves in a stream. You finally realize that YOU created this reality and every experience or person you meet is a lesson that needs to be learned. So you don't think you are better than anyone- since now you KNOW that smelly homeless person begging is yourself in another guise trying to teach you a lesson in compassion or humility. And you finally realize that you are finally on the path that you may have been searching for your whole life.

Let the Fun Begin.

Namaste-

Boypony
 
cant say that our sole purpose is to be awakened but it definitely feels like that once you discover the impossible. If anything our purpose is to live this lifes experiences and than die; to whatever purpose that may or may not serve. But when you make a connection that strong to existence itself, no doubt your life feels a little more significant.

For him to take this awakening and shut himself away from the world and friends is a corruption of ego; he should be constantly multiplying the feeling of god in himself, other lifeforms, and nature through 'investing' feelings into the universe, thus becoming more connected and more conscious of god/yourself/your 'purpose'. (or what-have-you)

So if your friend follows down this path of self segregation he is only doing the opposite than what is expected when awakening; to connect with your fellow lifeforms and the world, living a great life experience.

However I am sure he is spending a lot of time thinking and with the help of friends could redirect his newfound energy. Depends if he invested enough feelings in his friends to put up with him in the meantime :lol:

If not, his life will continue whichever branch of living and it will be its own experience within itself.
 
BoyPony
I do believe he has exactly followed down the path you have described especially the latter part. However, he feels now he is a healer and focused all in attention on helping others, which is a good thing. It has created so much havoc in his life though that he cannot deal with his family, friends, work, etc. His stays in the world of enlightment, dmt, etc. and nothing else exists. He is unbalanced and unstable. He is in his own world. That is why we all are afraid he has somehow been affected by his experiences with dmt too greatly to deal with everyday reality.
 
soulsearcher said:
i guess i didn't mean god like...sorry....he believes he is god...that we are all god...which i appreciate the beauty of...
he has become less tolerant of other "normal people" for lack of a better term...he does feel he is on a higher level because he "knows"
i do not blame dmt....he actually used it to cure his severe migraines and he took him to another place and personality. In the beginning it was beautiful and happy and he was open and loving to all....now he is guarded and defensive...unable to focus and has memory loss.

As far as the ego thing, he mentions it often and says he has shed it and peeled away the layers.
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Here is my interpretation.

DMT often gives one a slingshot into a higher state of consciousness, something beyond what most people can achieve in a normal state, and very few people can even comprehend in a psychedelic state. Realizing that the Many are One, and that the One is Many is a common experience, and it is a advanced perception of reality, more true that our everyday normal functioning. The key is how one integrates this experience, and it often takes time. To use a gaming analogy, he has been upgraded from level 3 to level 30 instantly and temporarily, realizing all the powers and knowledge available to one who has achieved that level of experience. Coming back down to level 3 can be quite disconcerting, as you are not sure if what you experienced was real, but it certainly feels real. But you have had a taste of that level of awareness and it sticks. If you work at it you can bring more of it into your conscious awareness and integrate the insights into a more complete whole. He says he "knows", well in all likelihood he does, just because you cannont relate or comprehend what he can now see does not mean it is not real. It is real for him (and I do not know him but know many who have had similar transformations both from drugs and meditation), and that is what is important.

How does one integrate this new found perception? It takes time, it takes searching, it takes patience and perseverance, but an integrated knowledge can be attained. It becomes hard at times to interact with those who do not have the level of awareness that you now do. Things that were important become petty, those which were petty now have new significance...your world has been turned upside down, you see things with new and different eyes. Old friends fade away, new friends come into being. It is not for you to decide what is good or bad for this person, they have new sight, and things will change. It is an evolution in consciousness, a peeling back of the onion to reveal a new layer underneath that has more depth and meaning.

Have him read Ken Wilbur's - A Brief Histroy of Everything. It may give him a philosophical framework into which his new found consciousness will find logical answers.
 
soulsearcher said:
However, he feels now he is a healer and focused all in attention on helping others, which is a good thing. It has created so much havoc in his life though that he cannot deal with his family, friends, work, etc. His stays in the world of enlightment, dmt, etc. and nothing else exists. He is unbalanced and unstable. He is in his own world. That is why we all are afraid he has somehow been affected by his experiences with dmt too greatly to deal with everyday reality.
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Maybe he's on a different path. Who are you to label?

How are your experiences with DMT by the way? Not, I assume.

I'd love to hear from your friend..
 
SmokeyDaze...all respect here...no labeling. And no I have not....I still do have fear unfortunately....one day though my friend
My friends path began with beauty but now seems troubled and manic and that is why I have reached out.

Saidin....your perspective makes sense in regards to my friend and maybe it will take time for him to level out. I just hope in the process he will be ok and all will be well in his environment.
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Soulsearcher
With all due respect the fact that you have never used DMT changes my opinion complemently. I assumed you were somewhat experanced with the molecule and concerned about your friends behavior in a context of a group of friends who share the DMT experance. Since you are not please understand that there is no way for you to convey your friends expereances with your limited perspective. He may be just fine as long as he is not violent or depressed he will be fine.

He may lose his job and have to live in a tent behind the shopping mall for a couple years and as long as he harms no one including himself there is nothing wrong with that. Hollywood actors go to Shrinks, real people may live in a tent or a ramshackle trailer by the river side. Who cares what others think as long as one does no harm. Your friend may be just fine, no worries he may not become the Vice President of Ford Motor Company but who cares he may not like the job if they offered it to him.

I know you are sincerely concerned about your friend but remember DO NOT JUDGE just live. If harm will come you must take action. If there is no harm LIVE AND LET LIVE=DIE its a beautiful thing.

Have you considered partaking of sacraments with your friend? This could be a universal solution for all. Both of you could Honestly work together to confront issues that we ALL know we have.


After the last couple post I must say DMT has not changed me to much at all. My beleifs came early in my life before DMT. DMT just confirmed things for me.

Not sure how that works because growing up I had many friends that appeared to be FRYED to a CRISPT (no DMT or RCs just sid&weed) and stopped tripping in mid twenties. They are still FRIED and do not use any substances. They never did anything I did not do and here I am 30years later still tripping still smoking still digesting large amounts of information on a daily basis. I was the odd ball then reading all the time and I continue to be myself. Who else could I be:lol: My information intake has increased with my age and use of psychedelics I keep learning more and more. NO LIMITS!

A illiterate life with out reading and learning would be a real HELL for me.

ON WITH THE EXPERIMENT! :lol:

PEACE
MV
 
Mv....I have done things...just not Dmt....this is not about me. My friend very well may be a danger to himself and others. He has many firearms, is erratic, is helping a friend who is schizophrencic who has done dmt and this guy just recently attempted suicide under my friends care. He is also helping another friend with multiple health problems with dmt. I am not judging my friend, I am truly concerned.
 
From the sounds of it there is more to the situation than you've explained. If harm truly is a concern maybe you should be looking elsewhere for advice. Good luck.
 
It is about you to an extent because you are the one making judgements(not matter how accurate they are) on his situation..if you havenot experienced DMT than you may not understand how profound the experience really can be...they way the world may look after...I mean, it's a really screwed up place..

I have personally had people think that they needed to help me becasue they thought I was taking too many psychedelics, thinking I need to attend rehab and such..but these people had never taken these things and just dont understand one bit..they think becasue I am not the person I was when I was 17 and I dont go along with scoiety the way they think normal folks should that something is wrong.. I am sure alot of these people think I am erratic as well with the things I actaully believe about life and society etc..the things I talk about and the way I respond to things..

lots of people have firearms and they are sane, rational people..

Is this person violent and actaully hurting others?..if so than something should be done but if they are just acting in a way that seems strange to you than you should try to see things from where they stand..

People should be allowed to act as strange as they wish as long as they are not imposing themsleves onto the freedom of others..

Something I really believe is that in this life, noone owes anyone anything..remember that. People can and should live their own lives.
 
if one's concern for a friend is perceived as a judgement, well that is your opinion. Your view answers my question though, the experience is profound. I do believe he looks at the world in a different way. Enough said. I will allow him to live his life then, it is his as is mine. Let the chips fall as they may. He is responsible for his own path.

There is beauty in loving one another in many ways. I wish him safety and peace on his new journey then, good or bad, wherever it leads.
 
Just a note, if you're truly concerned for your friends safety and well being definitely follow that up with some professional advice or assistance..
 
soulsearcher said:
if one's concern for a friend is perceived as a judgement, well that is your opinion. Your view answers my question though, the experience is profound. I do believe he looks at the world in a different way. Enough said. I will allow him to live his life then, it is his as is mine. Let the chips fall as they may. He is responsible for his own path.

There is beauty in loving one another in many ways. I wish him safety and peace on his new journey then, good or bad, wherever it leads.
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I don't agree with the rest of the peeps here who are saying the opposite and I do trip a hell of a lot, especially with DMT. To the contrary, I believe your concerns are entirely valid and fully justified. Being in "god mode" is nice while under the influence but for it to linger on into daily life without one being equipped to handle it is not a good thing whatsoever. Even if he is responsible for his own path, it would be a good idea to give this guy a helping hand. After all, if you were sent crashing down in life in any way possible (aware of it at the time or not), you would surely hope your friends provide some support and keep you centred in this world. You wouldn't leave a friend alone who's been through a bad breakup or a family death causing them to fall into a manic depression and this is no different. It sounds like this guy is on a high rather than a low which is far more dangerous given that in this state there are no painful feelings to alert the self to the idea that things are not right, if anything the fact that he is feeling good 24/7 would make him think that shit is going good even if it isn't and I've been there myself.

Give this guy all the help he needs and believe me, just because you haven't smoked DMT doesn't mean you can't recognise that he is well off balance in his life. People don't suddenly shy away from friends and loved ones unless something is majorly amiss with their inner state. Did he attempt suicide while in this recent manic/psychotic state?
 
Embracetheworld....thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! Much gratitude for your honesty. And yes I do believe, as do many others, that something is amiss with his inner state. Your phrase regarding being on a high rather than a low being more dangerous sounds like my friend's situation. He thinks nothing is wrong. Well, rather that we all are wrong. Oh, and no it was a schizophrenic friend he was helping with dmt that attempted suicide. Again....thank you for your great comment and advice Embracetheworld!
 
antrocles said:
remind your friend of the story of avalokiteshvara....the buddha of compassion who reached the highest level of enlightenment and could have transcended far beyond this samsara of pain and rebirth but chose to stay behind until EVERY LIVING SOUL reached the same state.....

we are all part of one. the growth and evolution of one is the growth and evolution of all.
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Antrocles

Truly beautifully said...


Much Peace
 
embracethevoid said:
He is in a state of mania/psychosis dude, it's not good. I've been there and done that, in this exact state though I didn't alienate everyone or anything, in my case I was blissfully happy and nothing could bring me down. Given about 2-3 weeks of abstinence from drugs this will fade away.

Of course he will not want it to fade away because this state feels like an amazing afterglow (which it is in some respects).

What you have to do is talk him down to reality. This means that you take in all the information from his point of view and blend it with the information from reality, you need to make something connect in his mind that says "hold on, something is amiss". Best of luck.
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actually I disagree. maybe he is god. maybe nothing is amiss. maybe he is holier than thou.
... but probably not.
 
Soulsearcher,

I'm quite surprised that so many people changed their views after hearing that you have not smoked DMT. This, to me, is irrelavant. Yes you may not know how profound DMT can be, but you are seeing your friend acting very strange.

I've introduced A LOT of people to DMT, but have never encountered a situation like the one you are describing. His actions do not seem normal to me.

There are a few options as I see it

Continue to try and talk to your friend as you have been
Try and seek some sort of help for your friend
Smoke some DMT and then talk to your friend. I don't think that actually smoking dmt will help the situation, but at least you will be able to tell your friend, "yes I DO know what it's like but you are not acting normal".

Just my 2¢ I hope it works out for him, but it does sound like he has some issues other than a Mind Opener from DMT...
 
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