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criticism of Grof

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Grof believing in Astrology has nothing to do with the credibility of his statements. Astrology is perfectly viable - just because it does not exist in this world in the literal sense does not mean it doesn't exist. If a human were to fully believe in Astrology with all of their intent, then the Universe would read this and know to give this human what it needs through this. How else does the Universe communicate with us? If that human were to believe in the morning that truly his days would go exactly like they do in the saying, that doesn't mean they will but he will base his decisions during that day with that message in the back of his mind. If he were to not believe in this, then that message would not be there and the basis of his decisions would change depending on how much the belief could potentially impact him.

Grof probably realized that you can truly believe in anything you want - it's really all about your intentions. Your spirit does not lie. I believe in Astrology too, I just logically realize that it doesn't literally exist. That is OK with me, I can deal with that. It's just a neat way to get some answers. :)
 
I dont think there is much evidence at all that is solid and can be held against astrology. I dont buy the BS individual horoscopes I see in the paper etc though.

Why wouldn't the planets have some effects on us? People menstrate according to the moon cycles..the tides move becasue of the moon..solar storms effect electro magnetic activily in the atmosphere..we are a part of the earth and the things that effect the earth effect us as well.

We have hormonal cycles that are tuned to lunar cycles etc..the planets are not THAT far away when you think about it. I dont think there is conclusive evidence discrediting it. I would be happy to read it if any does have any.

I am not saying I read my horoscope or anything..yet I am pisces and it fits me..I have even had many many people say things like "oh you must be pisces etc.." ..and met other people that are very much like me that are pisces as well.
It might go agaisnt some of my logic yet things still seem to match up.

I dont know why it seems so unscientific that environmental cycles can have effects on people.
 
Grof probably realized that you can truly believe in anything you want - it's really all about your intentions. Your spirit does not lie. I believe in Astrology too, I just logically realize that it doesn't literally exist. That is OK with me, I can deal with that. It's just a neat way to get some answers. Smile
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You can believe anything you want but that doesn't make it true. At all. If something doesn't exist it doesn't exist. Astrology is a flawed idea. Deeply flawed.

We have hormonal cycles that are tuned to lunar cycles etc..the planets are not THAT far away when you think about it. I dont think there is conclusive evidence discrediting it. I would be happy to read it if any does have any.
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You obviously haven't looked at any evidence.

Since we are moving onto discussion about 2012 lets put this in new thread I started where we can systematically go through why this whole 2012 and astrology stuff is nonsense.
 
You make a big fuzz about grof, but seriously; heidegger or lacan are much, much worse.

heidegger says: "Die ausdrückliche und durchsichtige fragestellung nach dem sinn von sein verlangt eine vorgängige angemessene explikation eines seienden hinsichtlich seines seins."

Wich is such nonsense that it's even hard to translate. It would translate into "the definite and transparant question to the meaning of being needs a foregoing explicit pronaunciation from a being towards the being of its being".

And this is one of his clearer sentences.
 
The only reason I wrote this response was because I read an article posted in this thread by him. Rather then write it in that thread I chose to make a new one.

Actually before reading the article I didn't really know Grof was so silly. I saw him in person and thought he was a bit off with his whole Freudian ideas but that was all. But after reading this article I really lost all interest in his work.

There are plenty of other people I would like to line out criticisms for but its time consuming...
 
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