cup coil instead of e-mesh?

[vaporinospagethi]

I was interested by a DT V5 but it's nowhere to be found in my country
so instead I've found that: G Pen Micro+ Vaporizer
Do you think it would do the trick ?

I just wanna make sure before buying

 

[fractals4life]

The doubt there is the lack of fine control on the wattage delivered by the battery part. You might want to look up what the "three preset temperatures" actually are as DMT will decompose if overheated and not give any effect.

Overheating is anything over 160C I believe, which is quite a lot lower than low cannabis vape temperatures.

If it will allow you to just pulse the button to switch the heat on and off then you can manually control things, but you will need to experiment with the timing of your bursts of heating to the coil.

 

[murklan]

Can't see how the heating of the cup is made. But if it only heated in the bottom you might want to checkout Yocan Orbit also. Cheper and you can see the vapor.

 

[vaporinospagethi]

Can't see how the heating of the cup is made. But if it only heated in the bottom you might want to checkout Yocan Orbit also. Cheper and you can see the vapor.

the cup looks like this

about the temperature, all they say is:


on my normal atomizer i use my cheap nobrand 510 battery on 2.7V and it works fine, but now I want a cup coil for precise dosing

the yocan orbit looks nice but the battery has a high voltage, ideally I could get only a coil-less cup atomizer and a yocan kodo pro

 

[Ernestine]

Why would one choose a cup coil device over emesh?

 

[vaporinospagethi]

Why would one choose a cup coil device over emesh?

because i want to do a volumetric dilution of 5-meo-dmt in pg for precise dosing, and that won't hold on an e-mesh

now that I think about it, can't I just take any dry herb vaporizer with adjustable temperature that has a wax cup? Are these good for one-hitters ?

 

[fink]

I've found the cup style crucibles gave bad results with pure spice, not sure about 5meo juice

 

[Transform]

Sounds like you might need a custom atomiser for this type of use case, of delivering precise drops onto the heating element. Not that I can offer any sensible insight into what that might look like or how you'd go about it.

You'd have to be bold to trust something like an RDTA with 5-MeO-DMT juice, although we do have a thread or two on jaguar vape pens:

Research - FIVE GUIDE: Pharmacology and Drug Interactions of 5-MeO-DMT

By the same person that gave us the Jaguar Vape Pen I received the attached PDF document for you all to share on this platform. It contains essential information about the known workings of 5-MeO-DMT, it's pharmacology and drug interactions. Dedication and Acknowledgement Thank you for...

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Research - FIVE GUIDE: Pharmacology and Drug Interactions of 5-MeO-DMT

By the same person that gave us the Jaguar Vape Pen I received the attached PDF document for you all to share on this platform. It contains essential information about the known workings of 5-MeO-DMT, it's pharmacology and drug interactions. Dedication and Acknowledgement Thank you for...

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[Ernestine]

Have you measured how much PG can be held on an emesh? I wonder if it could be enough. What if you used two layers of mesh, or sandwiched some stainless steel wool between the layers to increase the volume that can be held.

There were also some experiments with a convection fired system, using stainless steel and mesh to hold the product and then another fired coil or mesh to heat the air below and vaporise. That might be worth exploring.

I never tried a cup but it didn't seem like something with pursuing, based on reports like fink's.

 

[Transform]

Have you measured how much PG can be held on an emesh? I wonder if it could be enough. What if you used two layers of mesh, or sandwiched some stainless steel wool between the layers to increase the volume that can be held.

There were also some experiments with a convection fired system, using stainless steel and mesh to hold the product and then another fired coil or mesh to heat the air below and vaporise. That might be worth exploring.

I never tried a cup but it didn't seem like something with pursuing, based on reports like fink's.

There's the option of making dosing buttons out of pipe screen mesh, which maybe you're referring to. Now, I wonder how we can find that thread!

 

[vaporinospagethi]

I've found the cup style crucibles gave bad results with pure spice, not sure about 5meo juice

what made it bad?

 

[vaporinospagethi]

Have you measured how much PG can be held on an emesh?

No but I don't have one anyway, I can only find RDA coils

 

[vaporinospagethi]

Sounds like you might need a custom atomiser for this type of use case, of delivering precise drops onto the heating element. Not that I can offer any sensible insight into what that might look like or how you'd go about it.

You'd have to be bold to trust something like an RDTA with 5-MeO-DMT juice, although we do have a thread or two on jaguar vape pens:

Research - FIVE GUIDE: Pharmacology and Drug Interactions of 5-MeO-DMT

By the same person that gave us the Jaguar Vape Pen I received the attached PDF document for you all to share on this platform. It contains essential information about the known workings of 5-MeO-DMT, it's pharmacology and drug interactions. Dedication and Acknowledgement Thank you for...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

Research - FIVE GUIDE: Pharmacology and Drug Interactions of 5-MeO-DMT

By the same person that gave us the Jaguar Vape Pen I received the attached PDF document for you all to share on this platform. It contains essential information about the known workings of 5-MeO-DMT, it's pharmacology and drug interactions. Dedication and Acknowledgement Thank you for...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

I used to vape 5meo in a normal atomizer everyday, but low doses only, it is too unpredictable for dosing for full blown trips
in a cup coil i could just put, let say 0.05mL that would contain 5mg, and be very precise with the dosage this way

 

[Ernestine]

I used to vape 5meo in a normal atomizer everyday, but low doses only, it is too unpredictable for dosing for full blown trips
in a cup coil i could just put, let say 0.05mL that would contain 5mg, and be very precise with the dosage this way

Yes, i understand. A normal single layer emesh can definitely hold 50mg or more of DMT, so that would have a liquid volume of about .05ml? So if the pg juice will sit on the mesh then that could work and you benefit from the direct heating and efficient vaporising of an emesh Vs the less efficient cup.

 

[vaporinospagethi]

Yes, i understand. A normal single layer emesh can definitely hold 50mg or more of DMT, so that would have a liquid volume of about .05ml? So if the pg juice will sit on the mesh then that could work and you benefit from the direct heating and efficient vaporising of an emesh Vs the less efficient cup.

but one is a thin liquid, the other is solid which even melted is more like a thick resin than a liquid

 

[Ernestine]

but one is a thin liquid, the other is solid which even melted is more like a thick resin than a liquid

That's a decent sized drop of PG.

 

[vaporinospagethi]

DMT will decompose if overheated and not give any effect.

Overheating is anything over 160C I believe,

how come it works so well in PG, which boils at 180C then?

 

[Ernestine]

That's a decent sized drop of PG.

Unfortunately, it wasn't a total success. When i tried to vaporise the drop it ran around the mesh and some fell off/ran into the mesh clamps. What strength juice are you thinking of making. Some of the very strong juices get thick I think, and obviously you would also need a smaller drop on the mesh.

Another option is to use a volatile carrier like ethanol to load the mesh volumetrically and let it evaporate before vaporising leaving the 5-meo-dmt behind. A bit like the dosing buttons mentioned above.

I wonder if putting some mesh or stainless wool in a cup would help vapourise the liquid now efficiently.

 

[vaporinospagethi]

Unfortunately, it wasn't a total success. When i tried to vaporise the drop it ran around the mesh and some fell off/ran

I was thinking about that.
I cant make the juice too thick because I will measure it with a thin insuline syringe, for the sake of precision.
I though about dissolving in isopropanol but really it will take 30 mins if not an hour or two to evaporate, very unconvenient. and the main solution may slowly evaporate and screw the dosage.

I wonder if putting some mesh or stainless wool in a cup would help vapourise the liquid now efficiently.

what do you mean by "efficiently" ? It doesn't matter to me if it takes a few seconds more to heat, I'm not that impatient. but you could just find mini metalic balls. I've heard of terp pearls being used too

 

[vaporinospagethi]

actually I wonder if these cup vaporizators can be hot enough to vaporize 5meo


Boiling point: 370.5 °C