Cybs tek: Scraping crystals, only soggy oils (?)

[bwel1t]

I have followed Cybs tek, I did three pulls and put the pans into the freezer for about 30 hours, I then took them out and poured off the excess nafta and left the pans with the visible crystals to dry (with fan for about 1 hour). However, when I try to scrape the crystals off the pan I do not get a powder, instead I get a oily substance with crystals in them. Have anyone experienced this? How can I fix it?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Transform]

It's not at all unheard of:

..Enough GOO questions! read this..

..in the 90s when the DMT extraction world was a little fresher, and more guided by experienced chemists, there was no obsession with the end-product being crystals.. in the ordinary world of phytochemical extraction, a simple A/B or STB as done by most nexians, would be said to result in the...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

There could be various reasons for this outcome. Some exact details of what you did might help us in homing in on the causes of your gooey results.

 

[bwel1t]

It's not at all unheard of:

..Enough GOO questions! read this..

..in the 90s when the DMT extraction world was a little fresher, and more guided by experienced chemists, there was no obsession with the end-product being crystals.. in the ordinary world of phytochemical extraction, a simple A/B or STB as done by most nexians, would be said to result in the...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

There could be various reasons for this outcome. Some exact details of what you did might help us in homing in on the causes of your gooey results.

Thanks for the link!

I followed Cyb's tek pretty much to the dot. I only did three pulls and I did not wait the full 45mins for the layers to settle between shakes, also I had some problem when separating the layers, I did the whole thing in a round flask which gave way to much surface (resulting in a thin layer of nafta) which made it very hard to get only the nafta layer with the turkey baster, so I got the nafta + some of the base layer and put in a separatory funnel, however I still got a small amount of the base layer into the pan which I then put in the freezer.

So maybe it could have been that I did not wait long enough for the layers to separate? (Waited about 15mins)

However, I took the pans and did a re crystallisation: scraped up the goo and put in a beaker with warm nafta and now I have a pan which I am letting the nafta evaporate in room temp.

 

[Transform]

Yeah, ideally you want something either with a long, thin neck, or that's wide enough to fit an inverted funnel in.

Fiddling round with a RBF sounds rather unenviable, but you don't actually have to worry about getting every last drop of naphtha out until the last pull, and for that you can simply add more water until the boundary between the bark soup and the naphtha is in the neck of the flask.

As well, it's best to use a jug with a bit of strong sodium carbonate solution in the bottom for washing the naphtha in prior to transferring it into the precipitation dish, especially if you're concerned about picking up traces of base soup/emulsion while pipetting.

You absolutely do not want any base soup in the precipitation dish.

 

[bwel1t]

Yeah, ideally you want something either with a long, thin neck, or that's wide enough to fit an inverted funnel in.

Fiddling round with a RBF sounds rather unenviable, but you don't actually have to worry about getting every last drop of naphtha out until the last pull, and for that you can simply add more water until the boundary between the bark soup and the naphtha is in the neck of the flask.

As well, it's best to use a jug with a bit of strong sodium carbonate solution in the bottom for washing the naphtha in prior to transferring it into the precipitation dish, especially if you're concerned about picking up traces of base soup/emulsion while pipetting.

You absolutely do not want any base soup in the precipitation dish.

Thanks for your answer! I did not even think about adding more water til' the neck of the flask, had a real facepalm moment, thanks for the suggestion! The first extraction went great, it did not yield any crystals, but after a recrystallization I tried the yellow/brownish goo and it works great.

On my second extraction right now and have measured the temperatures throughout the extraction, doing the last pull at the moment and just added water to the neck of the round bottom flask. Thanks for the tip!

 

[bwel1t]

Yeah, ideally you want something either with a long, thin neck, or that's wide enough to fit an inverted funnel in.

Fiddling round with a RBF sounds rather unenviable, but you don't actually have to worry about getting every last drop of naphtha out until the last pull, and for that you can simply add more water until the boundary between the bark soup and the naphtha is in the neck of the flask.

As well, it's best to use a jug with a bit of strong sodium carbonate solution in the bottom for washing the naphtha in prior to transferring it into the precipitation dish, especially if you're concerned about picking up traces of base soup/emulsion while pipetting.

You absolutely do not want any base soup in the precipitation dish.

I have done 2 extractions using Cyb's Tek now and both time have resulted in brow/yellowish goo. The goo works great, but it is kind of a hassle to transport and handle. I have to freeze it to be able to handle it relatively smoothly. I also read somewhere that when making vapes crystals are preferred as they do not harm the equipment as much as the goo can (?).

Are there any extraction methods that are more likely to result in crystals (Compared to Cyb's Tek) ?
Why does the extraction yield goo and not crystals in the first place?