Dabbing DMT: The Way of the Future

[Leithen]

The screen recommendation was only for domeless nails and honestly not even a recommendation, just an idea that someone may want to try and see if it works!

I would highly recommend going with a domeless nail as domes are quite fragile and make the whole process a bit more cluttered. I also like them because they retain heat more and so you will have a bit more time to prepare after heating. The end goal will no doubt be the same either way but if you can afford this one extra part it is well worth it in my opinion. You can easily find them for around $20 online.

From my experience taking the hit right after the nail stops glowing would be WAY to hot. I have heard that a glowing titanium nail is around 1000 degrees F. When smoking cannabis concentrates this is a decent rule of thumb but still can be far to hot. On my old domeless nail (domeless will almost always be thicker) i would heat it until half the nail was glowing slightly and then wait 17 seconds. Every single nail I have used is different and there really is not going to be a good way of helping you unless we have the exact same one. (This, Make Shift, is what I would assume happened with you, the temperature was a bit too hot)

You can try something like a laser thermometer but these are somewhat finicky and not totally accurate for this application. For the first few times I would error on the side of caution and wait a few extra seconds if anything.

 

[CrayJay]

The screen recommendation was only for domeless nails and honestly not even a recommendation, just an idea that someone may want to try and see if it works!

I would highly recommend going with a domeless nail as domes are quite fragile and make the whole process a bit more cluttered. I also like them because they retain heat more and so you will have a bit more time to prepare after heating. The end goal will no doubt be the same either way but if you can afford this one extra part it is well worth it in my opinion. You can easily find them for around $20 online.

From my experience taking the hit right after the nail stops glowing would be WAY to hot. I have heard that a glowing titanium nail is around 1000 degrees F. When smoking cannabis concentrates this is a decent rule of thumb but still can be far to hot. On my old domeless nail (domeless will almost always be thicker) i would heat it until half the nail was glowing slightly and then wait 17 seconds. Every single nail I have used is different and there really is not going to be a good way of helping you unless we have the exact same one. (This, Make Shift, is what I would assume happened with you, the temperature was a bit too hot)

You can try something like a laser thermometer but these are somewhat finicky and not totally accurate for this application. For the first few times I would error on the side of caution and wait a few extra seconds if anything.

Regarding the feeding process, would this be a reasonable tool to get the job done? [link]

I'm assuming you want it to be made of titanium as opposed to something like stainless steel.

As far as the temperature, even if you overshot it a bit, so long as the spice doesn't come into direct contact with the nail, isn't there a pretty considerable buffer area on our side? In other words, if we were just dumping the spice onto the nail then the temperature would be more crucial, correct?

 

[Psybin]

The best way to get a good temp is to heat the titanium nail till it is uniformly glowing orange hot, then let it cool till it no longer glows at all (the moment just after the last bit of red glow has left the nail is ideal with spice). The amount of time this takes depends on the thickness and size of the nail. I wouldn't bother with the screen on a dome setup, you'll probably just drop the screen inside the dome and burn your fingers. Or worse, spill the sticky melting spice into the joint and get the dome stuck to the rig (done that before). Better to just scoop up a dose of spice with a dabber tool that has a shovel or spoon on one end and tap it against the nail as you dab it to get all the spice onto the hot nail as quickly as possible. The main advantage of dabbing is to get it all in one fast hit, so you want to try and dump the spice as quickly in one smooth motion as you can. Begin inhaling at full pace before you dab the DMT, or else it will all poof up in a cloud of vapor above the nail before you can get any of it into the rig, let alone your lungs.

With that heating procedure are we no longer worried about the spice coming into direct contact with the nail, hence the tap? Or do you mean a light tap to ensure it is close enough to the heat source to vaporize quickly?

No, the tap is to tap off the DMT so it doesn't stick to the dabber tool. You're overthinking this, it's extremely simple. Look up dabbing videos on Youtube and watch what they do. You're asking questions that don't even make sense at this point. Get nail hot, inhale, smear DMT on nail, exhale. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[CrayJay]

Yeah that makes sense now, somehow I was thinking that direct contact would burn the spice, but at this point it's a simple matter of trial and error to fine tune the process. How hard of a drag would you advise a non-smoker take?

 

[Psybin]

Yeah that makes sense now, somehow I was thinking that direct contact would burn the spice, but at this point it's a simple matter of trial and error to fine tune the process. How hard of a drag would you advise a non-smoker take?

:?: Just go for it man, you're overthinking it. It's not like you can pull too hard, that's what the water is for. I think you'll find that all of these variables you're worrying about don't apply or aren't variables at all in practical application. There are 1000 ways to skin a cat, as they say. But we don't need to skin a cat at all, so there's no need to explore those.

Just get the nail hot, let it cool down so it's not glowing like the eyes of Satan, and dump your scooper full of DMT onto the nail, while inhaling, in the same way you thoroughly empty the contents of a measuring spoon into a bowl of ingredients.

If it's not in the above sentence, don't worry or think about it at all. That is all you need to know, anything else is personal preference gained from experience and not relevant.

 

[CrayJay]

:?: Just go for it man, you're overthinking it. It's not like you can pull too hard, that's what the water is for. I think you'll find that all of these variables you're worrying about don't apply or aren't variables at all in practical application. There are 1000 ways to skin a cat, as they say. But we don't need to skin a cat at all, so there's no need to explore those.

Just get the nail hot, let it cool down so it's not glowing like the eyes of Satan, and dump your scooper full of DMT onto the nail, while inhaling, in the same way you thoroughly empty the contents of a measuring spoon into a bowl of ingredients.

If it's not in the above sentence, don't worry or think about it at all. That is all you need to know, anything else is personal preference gained from experience and not relevant.

Haha, well said man, it seems pretty straightforward, I just wanted to eliminate the chance of wasting precious spice! I will be sure to report back, thanks guys :thumb_up:

 

[Leithen]

:?: Just go for it man, you're overthinking it. It's not like you can pull too hard, that's what the water is for. I think you'll find that all of these variables you're worrying about don't apply or aren't variables at all in practical application. There are 1000 ways to skin a cat, as they say. But we don't need to skin a cat at all, so there's no need to explore those.

Just get the nail hot, let it cool down so it's not glowing like the eyes of Satan, and dump your scooper full of DMT onto the nail, while inhaling, in the same way you thoroughly empty the contents of a measuring spoon into a bowl of ingredients.

If it's not in the above sentence, don't worry or think about it at all. That is all you need to know, anything else is personal preference gained from experience and not relevant.

This is no doubt the only piece of advice needed at this point. I apologize if I caused any confusion as it really is a VERY simple process just with literally thousands of slightly different ways of doing it and things to do it with.

Best of luck and if you do end up wasting a couple of hits of spice it really is not the end of the world. You must learn somehow! :thumb_up:

 

[anne halonium]

ive been considering this..........thanx for the info.
we wanna experiment with heat guns also.

 

[Leithen]

ive been considering this..........thanx for the info.
we wanna experiment with heat guns also.

In my experience with heat guns you have to shoot the laser a few centimeters above the nail to get an accurate reading. For some reason it will not work when placed directly on the nail. Anyone have an explanation for this?

Anyways, that is why I said they are finicky. You have to hold it right above the nail and my hand was always shaking a small amount so I could never get a totally accurate readout. That said, you can get a pretty good estimate of where you are at to make sure you do not way over or under shoot it.

 

[Wiggles]

As a beginner i failed a lot trying to vaporise effectively, mostly from bunk tinfoil bottle methods. saw a similar thread suggesting using a dab rig. as i already had the equipment thought it was worth a shot and managed to breakthrough for the first time. I really recommend this method for people who are struggling to find a effective way to vaporise, i managed every time since then to take the whole dose in one hit. I have seen a lot of talk about electronic vaporisers but from what i can tell it takes a few hits and requires a lot of tweeking to work right for yourself not to mention they can get pretty pricey.
like many people have said just go for it. as long as you let the nail cool a bit your unlikely to waste much. this was the first method that worked instantly for me and probably the only method i will use for freebase.

 

[concombres]

As a beginner i failed a lot trying to vaporise effectively, mostly from bunk tinfoil bottle methods. saw a similar thread suggesting using a dab rig. as i already had the equipment thought it was worth a shot and managed to breakthrough for the first time. I really recommend this method for people who are struggling to find a effective way to vaporise, i managed every time since then to take the whole dose in one hit. I have seen a lot of talk about electronic vaporisers but from what i can tell it takes a few hits and requires a lot of tweeking to work right for yourself not to mention they can get pretty pricey.
like many people have said just go for it. as long as you let the nail cool a bit your unlikely to waste much. this was the first method that worked instantly for me and probably the only method i will use for freebase.

I will have to try this next time I extract. Considering I can get one second hand fairly cheap & my GVG is broken I think it is worth a shot.

 

[Gspicey]

I love dabbing the spice. Anyone who has a set up should purchase a quartz Banger, larger dish so you can easily get all your spice on the nail. Also great for low temping, don't have to purchase a carb cap, just cover the hole with a glass container or gel container. With a little practice you can get much larger hits from a nice low temp than when still almost red hot. My preferred ROA.

 

[Psybin]

ive been considering this..........thanx for the info.
we wanna experiment with heat guns also.

In my experience with heat guns you have to shoot the laser a few centimeters above the nail to get an accurate reading. For some reason it will not work when placed directly on the nail. Anyone have an explanation for this?

Anyways, that is why I said they are finicky. You have to hold it right above the nail and my hand was always shaking a small amount so I could never get a totally accurate readout. That said, you can get a pretty good estimate of where you are at to make sure you do not way over or under shoot it.

It's because of the Leidenfrost Effect. The spice actually vaporizes on the pocket of hot air above the nail, so the surface temp of the nail is not a good indication of the temperature of the air pocket above it.

I love dabbing the spice. Anyone who has a set up should purchase a quartz Banger, larger dish so you can easily get all your spice on the nail. Also great for low temping, don't have to purchase a carb cap, just cover the hole with a glass container or gel container. With a little practice you can get much larger hits from a nice low temp than when still almost red hot. My preferred ROA.

I agree, for spice a quartz banger is probably the way to go for most. Not the best for cannabis concentrates IMO, but excellent for DMT. :thumb_up:

 

[Leithen]

ive been considering this..........thanx for the info.
we wanna experiment with heat guns also.

In my experience with heat guns you have to shoot the laser a few centimeters above the nail to get an accurate reading. For some reason it will not work when placed directly on the nail. Anyone have an explanation for this?

Anyways, that is why I said they are finicky. You have to hold it right above the nail and my hand was always shaking a small amount so I could never get a totally accurate readout. That said, you can get a pretty good estimate of where you are at to make sure you do not way over or under shoot it.

It's because of the Leidenfrost Effect. The spice actually vaporizes on the pocket of hot air above the nail, so the surface temp of the nail is not a good indication of the temperature of the air pocket above it.

Brilliant! I think this is a very plausible theory.

Also, just as a note to others reading this thread, I am hoping to get some people to contribute to a collective dabbing thread. Check it out here!

 

[Psybin]

ive been considering this..........thanx for the info.
we wanna experiment with heat guns also.

In my experience with heat guns you have to shoot the laser a few centimeters above the nail to get an accurate reading. For some reason it will not work when placed directly on the nail. Anyone have an explanation for this?

Anyways, that is why I said they are finicky. You have to hold it right above the nail and my hand was always shaking a small amount so I could never get a totally accurate readout. That said, you can get a pretty good estimate of where you are at to make sure you do not way over or under shoot it.

It's because of the Leidenfrost Effect. The spice actually vaporizes on the pocket of hot air above the nail, so the surface temp of the nail is not a good indication of the temperature of the air pocket above it.

Brilliant! I think this is a very plausible theory.

Also, just as a note to others reading this thread, I am hoping to get some people to contribute to a collective dabbing thread. Check it out here!

You've done a very nice job on that thread; kudos! Perhaps you could include some of the pictures you and we have posted of our rigs and setups in that thread to accompany the descriptions you provided, so that those unfamiliar with dabbing may better understand what you're talking about. Regardless, you've done a wonderful job compiling all that information into one place.

 

[Leithen]

You've done a very nice job on that thread; kudos! Perhaps you could include some of the pictures you and we have posted of our rigs and setups in that thread to accompany the descriptions you provided, so that those unfamiliar with dabbing may better understand what you're talking about. Regardless, you've done a wonderful job compiling all that information into one place.

Thank you very much!

That is indeed a good idea and I will start compiling photos today. I have a few links to different nails and rigs but embedded pictures would be much better.

Thanks for the advice. :thumb_up:

 

[LearningToFly88]

I love the idea of this thread.. my first experience was with a dab rig and i was able to breakthrough with the proper dose whenever i wanted. I was experienced in thc concentrates before this but still, this is a straightforward method of ingestion... i hope that anyone who isnt happy with their method or wanna try something new that they try this way... safe travels~!

 

[CrayJay]

The quartz banger looks like an ideal way to load the spice, is it necessary to cover it after loading if you are inhaling the entire time, or does that just lower the effective temperature?

I am having difficulty getting a glass nail retain its temperature long enough to be effective, plus it doesn't have a lot of surface area to load the spice, so I may need to try this out!

 

[Psybin]

The quartz banger looks like an ideal way to load the spice, is it necessary to cover it after loading if you are inhaling the entire time, or does that just lower the effective temperature?

I am having difficulty getting a glass nail retain its temperature long enough to be effective, plus it doesn't have a lot of surface area to load the spice, so I may need to try this out!

Yeah, you don't have to cover the banger but like you said it reduces the temp necessary to vape the spice because it creates a partial vacuum. They sell what are called carb caps for this purpose, if that's a path you choose to go down.

 

[CrayJay]

Nice, that looks like an appealing option. So it's like a dual purpose tool where you load with one end and then cover with the other side after dumping the spice? This ROA is so rapid though that I can't imagine that making such a big difference, but I suppose it would save money on your heating source/method (i.e., butane) in the long run.