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Dark DMT - the Other Alkaloid

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None of my friends have reported having a dark or scary trip. Most of them like the red better than the white because it's more potent at half the dosage. One of my friends had the Carlos Castaneda "I turned into a bird" trip.
 
Could someone post a link or a photo of that 'dark DMT' ? A friend said me he has some brown-orange goo from recrystallisation but he wonder if it is related and if it can become 'crystals'.
 
Just tried it and it works for me.I'm thinking you might have to sign-up as a member at "TheNook" forums.But here is the deal,Yumeramine aka Jungle DMT is hardly soluble in Naptha but it is soluble in Xylene.So after you do all your pulls with naptha and get the DMT,do other pulls on the remaining black basified liquid with Xylene to get the Yumeramine.let the Xylene evap and you should end up with red crystals.
 
OK, here's my: JUNGLE TEK This process will not only produce very potent Jungle Spice (AKA Yuremamine or YDP), but it will also pull out any DMT that has been left behind in the basified solution. After you have done your nonpolar extraction ala Noman's or Marsofold's TEK, save your basified solution. Now, for 500g of bark, use 500ml of Toluene. HEAT it in a water bath until it's steaming. Add the toluene to your basified jug and tilt for 5 minutes. It's best to divide the toluene into three or four pulls. While waiting for the layers to separate, put the toluene jar back in the water bath to keep it hot. After you have siphoned off the toluene layers, evaporate the toluene and let the solids dry. This material contains the jungle spice, but there is usually quite a bit of "regular" DMT also. Scrape up this material and put it in a test tube. (you can get test tubes and test tube clamps at hobby lobby next to the chemistry sets.) Now heat some Heptane/Bestine in a water bath and fill up the test tube with hot heptane and agitate the mixture until the heptane clouds up and an oily layer forms in the bottom of the tube. Let this mixture cool for a minute or two so the oily layer will thicken a bit. Now quickly pour off the heptane onto a plate for evaporation, making sure the oily layer stays in the test tube. When the heptane evaporates you should be left with pure DMT (you will want to recrystallize this product). Add more hot heptane and evaporate one or two more times until no more DMT is being pulled out. You should be left with a thick, deep red oil in the bottom of the test tube. This is your pure Jungle Spice. To get it out of the test tube, I first place the test tube in a water bath. This will cause the oil to pour more easily, and evaporate any remaining toluene. When it's nice and hot, remove the tube from the bath and immediately pour it out on a plate. (Some oil will still stick to the test tube, which you can rinse out with a VERY SMALL amount of HOT toluene and pour out for evap on a different plate. It will yield slightly less pure jungle spice.) The oil you poured off will slowly harden into a waxy solid. It takes quite a while to dry out, but you can speed the process by smearing it around with a razor, then scraping it up and smearing it around again and so on. Make sure all the toluene has evaporated before you bag this stuff, or it will turn to oil again in the bag. This Jungle Spice is VERY POTENT at 25mg, as opposed to 50mg of pure DMT. In my experiments, I have not found a way to purify it any further, but if anyone can refine this process I'd like to hear suggestions. LOVE AND LIGHT!
 
Heptane boils at 98.42°C, so as long as the water bath is not boiling, you'll have no problem. It won't ignite in a water bath. Just burp your jar periodically so the pressure doesn't build up. It needs to be hot so it will melt the insoluble Jungle Spice and pull out any DMT that is trapped inside the insoluble solids. Shake up the test tube so the red oil goes all through the solution and then settles again at the bottom. At this point I would set the test tube in the water bath for a moment to help the layers separate, then pour off the heptane on one plate and the red on another plate. The heptane will evap very quickly since it is hot, leaving white DMT. The oil will slowly harden into pure red jungle spice.
 
As far as purification goes, my friend is thinking of redissolving some oily red in toluene and then salting it back out with pH 2 water (ala Coschi's acacia tek) and re-extracting with toluene. I'll let ya know how he comes out.
 
Entheogenist, thanks for posting this interesting tek! I was wondering.... [quote:d8d7e6ffea="entheogenist"]Jungle Spice (AKA Yuremamine or YDP)[/quote:d8d7e6ffea] is it [i:d8d7e6ffea]known[/i:d8d7e6ffea] that the red spice is yuremamine? As far as I know, this is just a conjecture, based on the fact that the tekies started pulling this unknown red spice and Callaway et al reported discovering this new phytoindole, so somebody hypothosized that they might be the same substance, right? Who has access to a mass-spec? -z
 
[quote:bf617a8968="zhah"]Entheogenist, thanks for posting this interesting tek[/quote:bf617a8968] yeah entheo is pretty much the man imo. [quote:bf617a8968="entheogenist"]So I'm wondering... The old-school heads at the festivals keep talking about RED or ORANGE DMT from back in the day, and how strong it was. I'm wondering if that old-school spice was actually just a mixture of the 2 alkaloids in one product... because as far as I can tell, pure DMT is white or clear crystals.[/quote:bf617a8968] Im wondering this too, especially if you take a very clear example of say terence mckenna talking about it, if you listen to his starwood audio file (ill post link at end) He very clearly states that DMT is Orange, looks like earwax, and smells vaguely of mothballs. that sounds obviously a lot more like the red jungle spice than what most people seem to be extracting nowadays. anyone have the knowledge on this subject to fill our curious minds? http://www.lancerules.com/terence/ starwood in the bottom group of misc. files and his description comes 12 minutes and 50 seconds in.
 
[quote:e1a2396b07="Noman"]As far as purification goes, my friend is thinking of redissolving some oily red in toluene and then salting it back out with pH 2 water (ala Coschi's acacia tek) and re-extracting with toluene. I'll let ya know how he comes out.[/quote:e1a2396b07] Doesn't do anything. Same oily orange came back out.
 
OK. I have been making this red spice for awhile now and I had yet to try it out myself until two days ago at a SHPONGLE show. WOW. This Red Jungle Spice is THE BEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN. Implants is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Terence McKenna MUST have been smoking the jungle spice thinking it was DMT. I've smoked alot of DMT and read alot of Terence Mckenna, and I have NEVER seen anything like what he describes. But, two tokes of this red jungle spice and I had his trip WORD FOR WORD. This stuff is SOOOOOOO much better, stronger, deeper, more meaningful, and more pleasant to use than DMT. I smoked it with my eyes open while watching SHPONGLE on stage. The stage began to morph and change, and suddenly a Self Transforming Machine Elf ripped the stage in half and jumped out to dance on top of the ravers. He was made out of what looked like shiny glossy molded plastic like a kids toy, but he was so colorful, changing shapes and dancing. This was with my eyes open. I had my rational mind intact; I knew I was at a Shpongle show smoking jungle spice. I could not believe my eyes. I even squinted at the stage in disbelief, trying to make things return to normal. If you smoke it with your eyes open, it completely transforms reality before your eyes. This is absolutely the most amazing chemical I have ever encountered, and everyone at the shpongle show agreed with me. I passed out about 3 grams of the stuff in individual doses, and evenryone agreed that it just blows DMT out of the water. The second time I smoked it I closed my eyes. I was shot like a laser beam into God-consciousness. I was GOD. I created the universe and spawned life on earth. I saw the beginning and the end and everything inbetween. I beheld every thought that had ever existed in one instant. then I came back to reality and was back at the rave. BUT, I still thought I was God. I was walking around telling people I was the reincarnation of Jesus, Buddha, Terence McKenna and Tim Leary rolled into one. I truly believed this at the time. I felt omnipotent. I knew everything. But this began to fade and I started to feel stupid for walking around saying I'm Jesus and believing it. So then I started experiencing karma. I left the concert area and hid in the dark to meditate. I thought the people at the rave were going to crucify me. I thought they had already killed my son and were coming for me. I accepted this though, and embraced my imminent death. I knew I was going to die that day and it was OK. It took aboout 30 minutes for the jungle spice to wear off, and by that time I was a new man. My ego had been lifted up to the point of thinking I was a walking GOD, and then it was crucified. This stuff makes DMT look downright boring.
 
Nice post as always, i have a question. It seems from what ive read as far as experiences go and from what ive listened to, that you are more able to retain your actual sense of self while youre out in hyperspace via the red jungle spice, is this what youre saying entheo? With DMT you only have a faint memory of who you actually are/kind of forget that youre a real person alive somewhere, and with the red jungle you know that who you are, what you did, and what your real body is doing? Not sure if im wording this correctly but, hopefully you get my question.
 
yes and no. The most shocking aspect was that the red spice brought the beings from DMT-space into THIS reality. If I left my eyes open I retained all sense of self and was able to describe to my friends exactly what I was seeing. BUT, if I smoked it with my eyes closed, I totally lost my ego; I was everything and nothing. I remember the experience, but I was not "me." I can't believe I waited so long to try this stuff out. I heard it was dark and scary so I was apprehensive. But IMO, DMT is way darker and scarier than the red spice. The red is truly remarkable.
 
This is going to be a long-ish type post. Im going to take an excerpt from a kitchen chemist from another website that extracts not only the red jungle spice but another psychedelic material called kokusaginine. I'm really interested in the red jungle spice, would love to hear more people share experiences and what not. I really think mckenna was talking about red jungle spice when he talks about DMT. Hopefully you find this post interesting and it generates some good discussion. ------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone else here familiar with any of the compounds in Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark other than DMT? Swim (Someone who isn't me , because he likes using the third person) has personally isolated and experimented with both Yuremamine as well as Kokusaginine. Most people aren't even aware these two compounds exist. They are both ... very psychadelic... that is, granted that Yuremamine actually is Red Jungle Dmt.. thats an unknown. Swim should have said He has isolated both Red jungle DMT as well as Kokusaginine. Red jungle DMT can be obtained from mhrb easily by using an acid base extraction on the bark .However you cannot use heat over the 125 f range or this stuff will be destroyed! You must then exhaust the bark of all N-n DMT using Naptha , Ether or whatever and then allowing the leftover "soup" (yeah the black stuff) to sit for several weeks (atleast three weeks) . Then Apply ample amounts of a binary solvent consisting of 9parts XYLENE and 1 part ACETONE. Give it some time... their isn't much of this stuff in the bark afterall, and make your pulls as you would with pulling DMT. You have to evaporate this stuff because freeze precipitationdoes NOT work with Xylene. It is very slow to evaporate. If all went well you should have pulled somewhere around 75 mg's of this stuff per 454-500 grams of bark. EASY DOES IT. 10-15 mg's of this stuff is insanely potent and just a bit more scary/intense than N-N DMT. As far as swim knows he is the only kitchen chemist who has suceeced in the extraction of Kokusaginine from MHRB (simply because no one else has tried as far as he knows). It is documented to be present in the bark by reputable lab research . From swims studies it is also found in some species of Australian Rue. (Not related to Peganum Harmala/syrian rue. Anyways its considerably more tricky to get this stuff. It requires the use of Diethyl Ether and heptane as a binary solvent, mixed "roughly" 8 parts DE/ 1part heptane. This is the solvent swim used to acheive success with this experiment more than once. However he believes D/E will suffice alone. (He will explain more later about the uses and functions of all this binary solvent nonsense)> You will also need naptha and acetone. You do everything you normally would to obtain your nn-dmt except you use the binary solvent of DE&Hep. Freeze precipitation for crystallizing is a must here. Your spice will be "very" yellow. Some of this yellow tint is natural oils and fats .. some is oxidation caused by the extraction process and more still is "kokusaginine." NOTE* The yellow you see if you used only naptha is only the former two ... no kokusaginine will come out unless you use DE ! * Pull all of your spice from the bark.. now you have a nice big pile of yellow spice.. time to recrystallize in the freezer and get your K* Pour all of your spice into the container which will be used for recrystallization.. this needs to have an absolute flat bottom. Place it on the stove on its lowest setting *electric stove or hotplate only! .. cover your spice with naptha and proceed to dissolve it into the naptha .. adding only 1 drop of acetone for every 10 ml's of naptha you use. Add the acetone after the spice has dissolved into the naptha . Make sure it is all dissolved and you have ample but not too much solvent . You should note a thick yellow oil looking substance coat the bottom of the container.. this is your kokusaginine. use a small dropper or syringe / whatever to remove all liquid solvent (which contains your dmt) and place in a seperate container for freeze precipitation. Now you have a glass in which the bottom is coated with K . It takes forever to dry.. so before it does.. lets clean it a little further... drop some more naptha on it.. while still hot (place back on stove if needed ) no acetone is needed here. Stir , stir , stir... traces of DMT will come out of the oil at this point and migrate to the naptha which if you dont mind yellow spice.. put it in with the rest that you just removed. Ok so let this stuff dry in the bottom of the container... scraping it around helps tremendously... you should wind up with something that looks like this pic. Hard as a rock. Continue to clean this stuff up like before..also you may wish to run your spice through a couple more times to clean it up.. small amounts of each will remain in both... so being thorough is suggested. The effects of K are amazing to say the least ... swim has pulled it several times and everytime it has been the same... It changes radically with oxidation.. becoming way more potent.. and diffrent as time passes.. If used within the first few days of pulling it.. smoked ofcourse.. it produces a heavy bodyload .. feeling like youve been shot with elephant tranquilizer.. lasting about 15 minutes. NO pronounced mental effects of any kind. However upon repeated exposure to air.. this substance .. given a few weeks is the absolute most "trippy" substance which he has ever encountered. Producing wild hysterical laughter .. massive size distortion in objects.. insane colorful hallucinations of things like cotton candy.. pink clouds.. puffy pink dragons and giant blue marshmallows. I know this sounds like total bullshit.. I probably wouldn't believe it either . It is true. It is very easy to find out. I highly suggest every try the K atleast. There seems to be some debate over which of these two substances seem to make MHRB orally active without an maoi. Meaning either one of these two substances acts as an Maoi. It should be noted that BOILED MHRB is barely if at all psychoactive. In brazil where this bark is used as a traditional entheogen.. all the jurema drinks are prepared via cold water with NO seperate maoi as a potentiator. This makes sense after working with both of these substances. This is my second post here. I hope someone will actually use this information..No need in keeping the K a secret. So i thought I'd share it with you guys ..Let me know if you need any further details . Peace !
 
Hi Implants, one question: how do you [i:f59dc0e11f]know[/i:f59dc0e11f] that the yellow oil [i:f59dc0e11f]is[/i:f59dc0e11f] Kokusaginine :?: Regardless of the technical identity of these substances (I'm currently trying to shed light on the red jungle spice/yuremamine conjecture as well), this is still valuable information! Thanks for this interesting contribution! -z
 
Hey zhah, ty. I dont know that it is kokusaginine, that was info i got from another site. Ill pm you the link if you want it. Im just really curious to know exactly what's going on. You know, it seems to me that mckenna and others were touting the greatness of DMT, but really it was Yuremamine. I dont have a mass-spec or anything like that. Im just a curious kid who's listened to a few observations/descriptions and trying to put 2 and 2 together. Hopefully you can fgure out what the real deal is and let me know :D
 
Well that's just fascinating, thanks for that post, implants. This is the first I've heard of kokusaginine, but I always use heptane as an NP solvent throughout the whole process, and when I recrystallize the product I pull out a yellow oil that I assume is trash and I am left with fluffy white DMT. I'm wondering if this oil I have been throwing away is the kokusaginine? Also, this TEK says there is only a small amount of Red Jungle Spice in the bark; this is not true. From my last extraction of 2kg of bark, I ended up with 6 grams of white DMT and 9 grams of jungle spice. That is from 2kg of inner purple root bark. It seems that if I use a bark sample that contains more of the outer bark I get a higher yield of DMT and lower yield of Jungle. I personally am really excited about this red spice, because if it's not DMT, it's LEGAL, right? That is why I want to find a way to remove all DMT from the product so I can have a completely LEGAL product. And IMO this stuff is better than DMT so how awesome would it be if you could carry it around and give it to people and spread enlightenment without the risk of years in prison? This is what we have been waiting for, right?
 
Entheo. I was thinking the same thing as far as the legality issue goes, of course our minds would go there though =) Seems as his tek for getting the jungle spice is diff than yours, yours is probably better. I'm not sure if what you're pulling is kokusaginine but i'd say theres a pretty good chance - Start saving it and lets see whats up :D I'm excited about the red spice as well. "This is what we have been waiting for, right?" --Hopefully.
 
A few things from my experience.... I have had the orange DMT that Terrence and old heads speak of. It is DIFFERENT than the snow white DMT people extract these days. People will say things like "it's impure, clean it" blah blah blah. No. They've never had it then. It is the most ridiculously potent DMT SWIM has ever smoked. The teks were different back then and t is not just jungle spice. It is a combination of the two. The jungle spice teks extract the jungle spice with Xylene or Toluene. What SWIM has done is this... a typical A/B extraction on MHRB but pull with Xylene and evaporate, then wash with ammonia. This leaves you with a final product containing both the DMT and the Jungle DMT. This DMT has proven to be far better subjectively than any of the ultra pure stuff hes pulled. Yes it will be yellow, so what. Yes, people hate Xylene, so what. Try it and then see what you think.
 
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