De-fat or re-x?

[PhatShots]

So, I recently have got into extracting (ACRB) I have just been doing my pulls combining everything and then doing a re-x and have been getting really good stuff, I just wondering if a de-fat would maybe be more effective and kind of remove the need for the re-x all together, it would kind of be nice because when i do my pulls i have been getting some really nice size crystals but then when i re-x they are usually just a whole bunch of small ones or a solid film across the bottom of the tray, not that it makes a difference they just look beautiful before re-x. Minus the goo and ACRB soup I usually end up with in the tray lol.


To sum it up - would a de-fat remove the need for a re-x? (acacia, so yes lots of fats)

 

[JohnIce2]

I am not the most knowledgeable on this but I believe that defats just make less gunk in the bottom of your Re-X container. I'm pretty sure that the lighter DMT and other Alkaloids form on the sides of the Re-X container while the heavier Plant Materials left from a impure to semi-pure extract are left on the bottom of the container with some of the alkaloids from the solution.

Now theoretically you could defat your pulls until your left with a gooey waxy type substance called Jungle Spice (or similar substance depending on what you are extracting from). And from their to a purer product, but you still wont likely get the same quality product you would from Re-Xing and depending on how many defats your material requires, it may even be more efficient to just do the Re-X process as you can save your Solvent from it for more Pulls to crystallize.

 

[PhatShots]

I am not the most knowledgeable on this but I believe that defats just make less gunk in the bottom of your Re-X container. I'm pretty sure that the lighter DMT and other Alkaloids form on the sides of the Re-X container while the heavier Plant Materials left from a impure to semi-pure extract are left on the bottom of the container with some of the alkaloids from the solution.

Now theoretically you could defat your pulls until your left with a gooey waxy type substance called Jungle Spice (or similar substance depending on what you are extracting from). And from their to a purer product, but you still wont likely get the same quality product you would from Re-Xing and depending on how many defats your material requires, it may even be more efficient to just do the Re-X process as you can save your Solvent from it for more Pulls to crystallize.

Ok i was just thinking maybe i could do both a de-fat and a re-x I'm just trying to get the purest crystals i can (i know many like the full spectrum i have plenty of that stuff aha) because I want to have a little of everything to try see what tickles my fancy

 

[imjohn56]

What solvent are you using ? when do you get the beautiful xstals you're after? is it after you pull your solvent and put in a dish,? but you say you also get acrb soup in it too correct?

if you pull acrb soup when you trying to get the solvent.then put all your pulls in a skinny container (wait to settle) to pull off more solvent easier, without pulling ANY arcb. or you can decant the solvent throughout multiple containers, again, to not get any acrb in your dish, your freeze precipitating pan (or whatever your using to get the xstals you're after) , then, no need for a re-x, since there should be no arcb in the final product

a defatt is adding your solvent, before adding your base to pull the oils "fats" from the bark, and disposing of, or wash with basified water to clean and reuse.

and a defatt wouldn't work instead of a re-x, because, in your situation if you still get acrb solution in final product pan, you have to re-x to get it out of your final product.

please anyone correct me if i'm wrong

im also assuming your doing cybs atb tek?

 

[concombres]

If you are getting dry crystals already no need for a de-fat.

What i would do for nice crystals is carefully drip small amounts of warm solvent onto your spice, stir gently so it leaves that gooey puddle in the bottom, then take the solvent pulls from that, stick in a jar or dish, dilute to ~100-150ml, cover the jar/dish & leave a small hole in the lid.

Let the solvent evap naturally like this for as long as it takes with no disturbances & nice large crystals should form very slowly. This can take up to a month sometimes. Less in winter months when the furnace kicks on. The key for large crystals is patience & not over saturating your solvent.

 

[PhatShots]

If you are getting dry crystals already no need for a de-fat.

What i would do for nice crystals is carefully drip small amounts of warm solvent onto your spice, stir gently so it leaves that gooey puddle in the bottom, then take the solvent pulls from that, stick in a jar or dish, dilute to ~100-150ml, cover the jar/dish & leave a small hole in the lid.

Let the solvent evap naturally like this for as long as it takes with no disturbances & nice large crystals should form very slowly. This can take up to a month sometimes. Less in winter months when the furnace kicks on. The key for large crystals is patience & not over saturating your solvent.

Well a month is definitely out of the question, big crystals isn't what I'm going for as much as pure though, yes the big crystals are nice but I was more asking for getting pure stuff (the second part i asked) And again yes i am aware that pure doesn't always mean better when it comes to DMT I'm just wanting to try every different kind of spice

 

[PhatShots]

What solvent are you using ? when do you get the beautiful xstals you're after? is it after you pull your solvent and put in a dish,? but you say you also get acrb soup in it too correct?

if you pull acrb soup when you trying to get the solvent.then put all your pulls in a skinny container (wait to settle) to pull off more solvent easier, without pulling ANY arcb. or you can decant the solvent throughout multiple containers, again, to not get any acrb in your dish, your freeze precipitating pan (or whatever your using to get the xstals you're after) , then, no need for a re-x, since there should be no arcb in the final product

a defatt is adding your solvent, before adding your base to pull the oils "fats" from the bark, and disposing of, or wash with basified water to clean and reuse.

and a defatt wouldn't work instead of a re-x, because, in your situation if you still get acrb solution in final product pan, you have to re-x to get it out of your final product.

please anyone correct me if i'm wrong

im also assuming your doing cybs atb tek?

Thanks that would definitely do the trick for getting out the acrb, surprised i never thought of this, i did start putting the last bit of naphtha in a skinny container and that's been helping so i can get the last bit of naphtha without getting any soup but not putting all the pulls in, awesome idea, thanks. hopefully i wont need to re-x anymore, idk i have always seen very pure nice looking crystals not gooey at all except for the acrb soup even before re-x my goo gets like stuck in the naphtha cuz i evaped the left over in a separate dish and there was a shit load of goo there no crystals at all?

 

[drown]

So, I recently have got into extracting (ACRB) I have just been doing my pulls combining everything and then doing a re-x and have been getting really good stuff, I just wondering if a de-fat would maybe be more effective and kind of remove the need for the re-x all together, it would kind of be nice because when i do my pulls i have been getting some really nice size crystals but then when i re-x they are usually just a whole bunch of small ones or a solid film across the bottom of the tray, not that it makes a difference they just look beautiful before re-x. Minus the goo and ACRB soup I usually end up with in the tray lol.


To sum it up - would a de-fat remove the need for a re-x? (acacia, so yes lots of fats)

Depends on which extraction method your using if a/b then yes a defat would help remove any excess plant fats and provide a cleaner product on the first pull a re-ex after that will only further purify them. if stb there is no real defat opportunity

 

[TGO]

In my experience, the best results from ACRB come from the following steps:

1. Typical A/B extraction of your choice including the optional defat at the beginning.

2. Performing a mini A/B on all naphtha pulls or solvent of choice.

3. As a final measure, perform a re-x to ensure purity

Using these steps, my highest yield to date has been 1.8% from 100g ACRB split into two simultaneous extractions. So, to sum up, I would recommend a defat (BTW, the mini A/B is essentially a defat so that eliminates the need to do one at the beginning of an a/b extraction) and a re-x. Even when I know I have been really careful not to suck up any basic soup, during extraction or mini a/b, I still re-x in heptane as a final step. The results have been astonishingly mind blowing.

 

[PhatShots]

In my experience, the best results from ACRB come from the following steps:

1. Typical A/B extraction of your choice including the optional defat at the beginning.

2. Performing a mini A/B on all naphtha pulls or solvent of choice.

3. As a final measure, perform a re-x to ensure purity

Using these steps, my highest yield to date has been 1.8% from 100g ACRB split into two simultaneous extractions. So, to sum up, I would recommend a defat (BTW, the mini A/B is essentially a defat so that eliminates the need to do one at the beginning of an a/b extraction) and a re-x. Even when I know I have been really careful not to suck up any basic soup, during extraction or mini a/b, I still re-x in heptane as a final step. The results have been astonishingly mind blowing.

Hey man thanks for the info, I have actually I think finally figured it out though, I was agitating the re-x too much and it caused a lot of what could of came out to be absorbed by the naphtha again, I got 1.5 of some very very nice looking crystals from 50g of bark (acacia) I had another batch that looked very good as well but not as good as this it is sparkly as all hell and is very light almost white in color and is very fluffy (its about double the size as 1.5 of the more yellow stuff I have, I did a 2nd re-x on that batch after seeing these results haha I should add that my normal batches were 1.6-1.8 so I definitely got a lot more crap out in the nice looking one