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hopefull
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Do not be so quick to wish away the constant reminders of what can be considered a turning point in your life. Someday you may miss them. You have to realize that you have just been giving a key that unlocks a door that's been there your entire life. Unlock the door! Don't throw the key away. DMT is but one thing to me KNOWLEDGE. Some are not ready for it and some cannot handle it. You say now that DMT is probably just your brain acting up and can be explained by neuroscience. Everything in a trip can be referenced back to something in your life. But the few that gear up and dive deeper into the psychedelic world will experience things that have no reference. There are no letters on my keyboard that can even slightly explain the things that emerge. The few people I have met that deal with flash backs from psychedelic use seem to have some unfinished business in hyperspace. But if you so wish to continue proceed with caution. meditating can be good for flashbacks. Eventually if you try to return to your reality before DMT, you probably can succeed with time. But realize that you are throwing away a key that few have held and all shall have.....eventually.
Happy travels
Happy travels
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This is serious business. How anyone goes deep and isn't fundamentally changed as a result I really don't understand. What you're dealing with will fade in time, though. You will be just fine, I promise you.
Get lots of rest, steer clear of more drugs, eat right and exercise regularly. Integration can take some time, but it'll come if you let yourself heal. You might try and find a creative outlet to express your experience as well. That can be very therapeutic and lots of fun to boot.
This is serious business. How anyone goes deep and isn't fundamentally changed as a result I really don't understand. What you're dealing with will fade in time, though. You will be just fine, I promise you.
Get lots of rest, steer clear of more drugs, eat right and exercise regularly. Integration can take some time, but it'll come if you let yourself heal. You might try and find a creative outlet to express your experience as well. That can be very therapeutic and lots of fun to boot.
You have every right. Thank you for taking the time to write the report.
Art is right; this will pass and with the right approach to integration could be very valuable an experience.
I note your dosages. 0.06 and then 0.07 are definitely on the very hefty size if vaporised efficiently and IMO getting more than you bargained for is a real risk if your vaping technique is not reasonably consistent/predictable.
Be well!
I note your dosages. 0.06 and then 0.07 are definitely on the very hefty size if vaporised efficiently and IMO getting more than you bargained for is a real risk if your vaping technique is not reasonably consistent/predictable.
Be well!
JustATourist
Rising Star
MMh, don't know about meditation, I think it can actually bring out the flashbacks, the feelings since you are focusing precisely on yourself and your mental processes.
As already suggested, exercise is a better option. Go running, go swimming, go to the gym, practice your favorite sport. Do something that makes you sweat. You will feel a lot happier and better and the feelings of derealisation will go away quicker.
The terrible afterglow that your trip left you with goes away with time, it might take days or weeks, but you always come back to normal, seriously, it's a fact.
I've seen this quite a few times, in life and on the nexus too, so don't worry about that.
You say you think that the DMT experience is only an alteration of brain chemistry, and considering your current situation, you don't need to think otherwise. I don't think the any psychedelic experience is something more than that either, because of a number of facts on the matter and personal experience. I think it is a psychotic experience that in the right doses and the right set and setting can be really positive, valuable and meaningful (on cancer patients for example), but definitely not a doorway to another reality, dimension or cosmic truth.
The sense of realness can actually go really far, that's true (but the same can be said about datura delusions, schizophrenic hallucinations, severe sleep paralysis monsters under your bed that nobody would accept as real). but to me it's only a display of the power of the drug and not more. Your subconscious not believing in your rational explanations might as well be just that
When having feelings of derealisation and depersonalisation the last thing that you have to do is following the nutjob path that unfortunately some psychedelic users are into.
Exercise, go out, stay grounded, give it time and you'll forget about the bad times
As already suggested, exercise is a better option. Go running, go swimming, go to the gym, practice your favorite sport. Do something that makes you sweat. You will feel a lot happier and better and the feelings of derealisation will go away quicker.
The terrible afterglow that your trip left you with goes away with time, it might take days or weeks, but you always come back to normal, seriously, it's a fact.
I've seen this quite a few times, in life and on the nexus too, so don't worry about that.
You say you think that the DMT experience is only an alteration of brain chemistry, and considering your current situation, you don't need to think otherwise. I don't think the any psychedelic experience is something more than that either, because of a number of facts on the matter and personal experience. I think it is a psychotic experience that in the right doses and the right set and setting can be really positive, valuable and meaningful (on cancer patients for example), but definitely not a doorway to another reality, dimension or cosmic truth.
The sense of realness can actually go really far, that's true (but the same can be said about datura delusions, schizophrenic hallucinations, severe sleep paralysis monsters under your bed that nobody would accept as real). but to me it's only a display of the power of the drug and not more. Your subconscious not believing in your rational explanations might as well be just that
When having feelings of derealisation and depersonalisation the last thing that you have to do is following the nutjob path that unfortunately some psychedelic users are into.
Exercise, go out, stay grounded, give it time and you'll forget about the bad times
hopefull
Rising Star
JustATourist said:When having feelings of derealisation and depersonalisation the last thing that you have to do is following the nutjob path that unfortunately some psychedelic users are into.
Exercise, go out, stay grounded, give it time and you'll forget about the bad times
Nutjob ehhhh.. Haha maybe. As for trying to forget the bad times I think this is a mistake. Regardless if DMT is nothing more then what science can say it must be. Still there is much to be learned from any bad experience and personally I think that the message is not to ever take the substance again. As for meditating I had a friend who had horrible LSD flashbacks and it seemed to help for him because he could bring out the flashbacks during meditation and they wouldn't randomly happen at like work or other places you don't want them to.
expandaneum
Rising Star
Sometimes bad trips are just that, there is nothing to gain from and they just cause stress and anxiety, learning from them is not always possible.
This is just popular psychedelic talk you can hear on every psy festival, its not helping the OP.
I might be wrong but it sounds more like you really want to say I can handle it.
to the OP,
Integrating is necessary, take some time to reconnect with yourself and find your ground again. Usually the flashback phenomena is short lived, so no worry's there. if the panic attacks don't go away after some time it might be a good idea to seek some professional help.
Finally there have been some cases where other members had similar problems, after a "bad one". Usually we don't here about the follow up, so if your up to it please keep us posted on your progress.
This is just popular psychedelic talk you can hear on every psy festival, its not helping the OP.
I might be wrong but it sounds more like you really want to say I can handle it.
to the OP,
Integrating is necessary, take some time to reconnect with yourself and find your ground again. Usually the flashback phenomena is short lived, so no worry's there. if the panic attacks don't go away after some time it might be a good idea to seek some professional help.
Finally there have been some cases where other members had similar problems, after a "bad one". Usually we don't here about the follow up, so if your up to it please keep us posted on your progress.
Spirit Mandala
Rising Star
hope this is helpful :- I have been a meditator on / off for 30 years and have done a lot of personal development over the last 20 years - ie been working on healing and growing as much as I have been able to do. I have had a few frightening experiences on aya, looking back these have been very helpful, having faced a fear, it somehow became an ally!
Similarly with DMT, sometimes standing up to fear, even playing with it in an energetic way, dispels it. I have a journey last year where I felt I was in a fight with something, which then became almost erotic and then the energy dismantled and I was laughing inside the journey at how absurd the fight had been - deep laughter - then I slowly came back here. I feel it is important to build up ones strength / confidence in day to day life and from a solid sense of who you are to go there and come back with what you get! Peace...
Similarly with DMT, sometimes standing up to fear, even playing with it in an energetic way, dispels it. I have a journey last year where I felt I was in a fight with something, which then became almost erotic and then the energy dismantled and I was laughing inside the journey at how absurd the fight had been - deep laughter - then I slowly came back here. I feel it is important to build up ones strength / confidence in day to day life and from a solid sense of who you are to go there and come back with what you get! Peace...
FloorFan
Off, Low, Medium, or High?
I can very much relate as this happened to me 11 years ago from 5g of mushrooms (cubensis)[edit: it lasted for several weeks after, not while tripping]. I was questioning everything: the complexity of everything, how to define a moment, how does time pass, everything! I also felt like I was paper thin and couldn't obtain comfort. What happened to stop it was that I decided to stop worrying about how everything works. That was when I found wonderment again. When I stopped over analyzing it all became wonder. LOOK! how cool the complexity is, LOOK! how a moment is infinitely small and large all at once, LOOK! how cool time passes, LOOK! EVERYTHING!
It really is a wonder how all this energy/information (whether you think it as quantum or other dimensional) is translated by our brains into this reality.
Seriously though, I think this is pretty common as it's likely a combination of PTSD and a real shock to the very core of ones knowledge of reality, or at least a major disruption in the normal perception of it.
It'll pass, stay positive, have fun, don't think too critically, and just wonder at how weird it all is!
It really is a wonder how all this energy/information (whether you think it as quantum or other dimensional) is translated by our brains into this reality.
Seriously though, I think this is pretty common as it's likely a combination of PTSD and a real shock to the very core of ones knowledge of reality, or at least a major disruption in the normal perception of it.
It'll pass, stay positive, have fun, don't think too critically, and just wonder at how weird it all is!
Warrior
At Peace
The after effects will fade in no more than 4-6 weeks, probably closer to 2.
Just breath and stay calm, and everything will be cool. It's a universal law for everything. "Don't panic", as Douglas Adams put it. If you can stay cool and let time pass, all will be well. All you have to do is weather the storm. You're already doing it.
Best wishes to you! :d
Just breath and stay calm, and everything will be cool. It's a universal law for everything. "Don't panic", as Douglas Adams put it. If you can stay cool and let time pass, all will be well. All you have to do is weather the storm. You're already doing it.
Best wishes to you! :d
JustATourist
Rising Star
Let us know your progress, if you are feeling better etc
I had a similar experience about three years ago when I was using Psilocybin mushrooms (once-twice a week for about a two month period). I started having panic attacks, severe anxiety all the time, felt very depersonalized and very disconnected from everything around me, etc. I basically did what everyone here suggested: started eating healthier, exercising regularly, no drugs, etc. It's possible that your journeys somehow affected your neurochemical makeup, and the only way to make that better is to give your body time to heal.
As far as the change of perception that DMT arouses...I guess that's just the price you pay. As another poster said, it's pretty hard to imagine having a full DMT experience and not emerging a completely different person; I know I did at least. There was a time where constantly questioning consensus reality and the validity of my sensory perceptions would have caused me very severe anxiety (this is what happened when I was on my mushroom binge), but now I've learned to channel it in a way that works to my benefit.
Finally, if you simply do not want to try DMT again, don't feel pressured to. Don't feel that you "have" to go back for any reason. It's not going anywhere. It'll be there waiting when you're sure you're ready again.
As far as the change of perception that DMT arouses...I guess that's just the price you pay. As another poster said, it's pretty hard to imagine having a full DMT experience and not emerging a completely different person; I know I did at least. There was a time where constantly questioning consensus reality and the validity of my sensory perceptions would have caused me very severe anxiety (this is what happened when I was on my mushroom binge), but now I've learned to channel it in a way that works to my benefit.
Finally, if you simply do not want to try DMT again, don't feel pressured to. Don't feel that you "have" to go back for any reason. It's not going anywhere. It'll be there waiting when you're sure you're ready again.
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