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Rising Star
Hi everyone 
This is the first forum I've felt the need to join on the topic of psychedelics, I've previously found everything I need and more by searching through Erowid and reading others queries on sites like the Shroomery, Drugs Forum, and Bluelight.
I do now have a specific case in hand that I can't find solid, tried and tested solutions for by just searching the net. This is also a case that I don't have much experience on so I want some advice before going through the trial and error phase (because that could get depressing if I keep failing). Hopefully some of you can pass on some wisdom & help me out
My case is as follows:
Plant source: Delosperma Acuminatum
Extraction Tek: Acid/Base
Acid source: Hydrochloric acid (previously used vinegar)
Base source: Sodium Hydroxide (lye crystals)
Solvents: 'Shellite', 'Zippo' (lighter fluid), or Xylene
I had about 9kg of plant material. This sounds like a lot, but the plant is a succulent and the majority of the material was fresh (water heavy). To have an idea of the volume, 2 'green' fabric grocery bags full of fresh plant, and 1 almost full of dried plant matter. I didn't really know where to start because this wasn't MHRB and my problem is thus with having no info on teks using Delosperma as a plant source.
My failed/paused first attempt was as follows (Warning: pathetic themes follow)
a) Put all fresh plant material through a juicer, this separated the bulk (pith, fibre, whatever you want to call it) from the pure plant juices. I put the bulk in the freezer (about 7L of bulk), and have subsequently frozen and thawed this twice. Decided to work with only juices first (in hindsight this was silly).
b) The 6 litres of juice was poured in a slow cooker and NaOH added to convert alkaloids into insoluble basic salts. I did this because I knew my acid source was a very weak one, and apparently this helps the acid pick up more in the next step. Already I had big doubts about any success as I realised the pH tester being used was meant for water and the colour reading was tainted by my liquids green colouration, so I was speculating on pH level (not good lol).
c) Then I added the vinegar and quickly realised that the one 2L bottle of this wouldn't be enough to make the liquid pH 3 (and volumes would be gargantuan in size) and decided to wait till I had Hlc acid to move on. I had the night ahead of me though, so I took about 500mL of my plant juice and put it on simmer with about 500mL of vinegar. Left it with the lid on, stirring occasionally, for about 2 hours. This was basically just an act of curiosity now and a learning process of what extractions were like, I wasn't expecting much.
d) Once cooled, it was transferred to a plastic bottle and three de-fatting were done with 'Shellite' solvent. Lots of gloop folks.
e) NaOH was added until I the liquid was very black and didn't smell acidic (about 4 tablespoons, more is better than too little, right).
f) 10% of the volume in solvent was added and shaken, and left overnight.
g) Solvent was still clear today and I knew this attempt was rubbish but evaporated it anyway. Left it outside till it was almost gone, then into the freezer which just stupidly froze the solvent, so let it liquefy again and then evaporate outside till it was all gone. Nothing of interest was left in the dish, unsurprisingly!! Hahah.
Ok, the reason I made you read all that pitiful procedure was 1) So you can see the problems I've had, 2) So you can see my approach 3) To generate enough sympathy in you to help me in my next trial!
I've decided to work with the already dried material this time (ie, nothing from the fresh plants I collected, just the dead stuffs). Only the dried succulent leaves of the Delosperma, not the stems. Do you guys think I should use the stems as well? They're just so woody - don't know if the blender would survive it. Today I'm going to get hydrochloric acid and hopefully proper pH test strips. The slow cooker never reached a boil with the large quantity of juice in it, do you think I should buy a pot for my next try? Metal pots will react with the acid won't they? What other option for a pot/heating vessel is there?
Anyway, there are enough dried leaves to fill about a 5-6L volume. I wet them and put them in the freezer where they are now. What should be my approach now guys? What do you think of it all?
There are so few reports on Delosperma extractions that this might be a useful one for people in the future, even if it doesn't work out, this is another reason I put this out on the forum.
I have little experience, but I have the time and I'm so excited to learn to do this the right and smart way!
It was stupid to use fresh plant wasn't it? Extractions should be done with dry plant material to reduce the amount of chemicals used is what I've realised now.
Hypothetical Procedure:
So, put all the leaves in the blender by themselves or with water?
-Put them in a pot with Hcl acid to a pH of 3
-Boil (full boil?) for 2 hours or so and then decant liquid and replace with fresh acidic liquid and boil for another 2 hours?
-Combine liquids and strain out remaining liquid from the solids.
-Do 2-3 de-fats (with Shellite, Zippo, or buy Xylene?) Do I have to do these over a period of hours, days, or weeks?
-Prepare a sodium hydroxide mixture and add to the liquid till a pH of 9 or so.
-Add a solvent at about 10% of the liquids volume and stir, or shake, or shake a lot and over a period of hours, or days? Should I do one pull after 24hrs, then the next in one week (shaking it daily) and another after a week?
-Then let solvent evaporate completely outside? Or blow lightly with a hair drier? Or put it in the freezer once the solvent has almost evaporated? I won't get frozen solvent will I?
Hmm, there are a lot of questions here, I bet I've scared some people off
How tragic would it be if my Delosperma didn't have DMT in it though HAHA, I'll probably cry and go search for Acacia Acuminata somewhere. It's just that Delosperma is a weed and I felt guilty enough for taking that out of my forest! For the sake of the Delosperma injured in this process, please help me out!
Thankyou!
This is the first forum I've felt the need to join on the topic of psychedelics, I've previously found everything I need and more by searching through Erowid and reading others queries on sites like the Shroomery, Drugs Forum, and Bluelight.I do now have a specific case in hand that I can't find solid, tried and tested solutions for by just searching the net. This is also a case that I don't have much experience on so I want some advice before going through the trial and error phase (because that could get depressing if I keep failing
). Hopefully some of you can pass on some wisdom & help me out My case is as follows:
Plant source: Delosperma Acuminatum
Extraction Tek: Acid/Base
Acid source: Hydrochloric acid (previously used vinegar)
Base source: Sodium Hydroxide (lye crystals)
Solvents: 'Shellite', 'Zippo' (lighter fluid), or Xylene
I had about 9kg of plant material. This sounds like a lot, but the plant is a succulent and the majority of the material was fresh (water heavy). To have an idea of the volume, 2 'green' fabric grocery bags full of fresh plant, and 1 almost full of dried plant matter. I didn't really know where to start because this wasn't MHRB and my problem is thus with having no info on teks using Delosperma as a plant source.
My failed/paused first attempt was as follows (Warning: pathetic themes follow)
a) Put all fresh plant material through a juicer, this separated the bulk (pith, fibre, whatever you want to call it) from the pure plant juices. I put the bulk in the freezer (about 7L of bulk), and have subsequently frozen and thawed this twice. Decided to work with only juices first (in hindsight this was silly).
b) The 6 litres of juice was poured in a slow cooker and NaOH added to convert alkaloids into insoluble basic salts. I did this because I knew my acid source was a very weak one, and apparently this helps the acid pick up more in the next step. Already I had big doubts about any success as I realised the pH tester being used was meant for water and the colour reading was tainted by my liquids green colouration, so I was speculating on pH level (not good lol).
c) Then I added the vinegar and quickly realised that the one 2L bottle of this wouldn't be enough to make the liquid pH 3 (and volumes would be gargantuan in size) and decided to wait till I had Hlc acid to move on. I had the night ahead of me though, so I took about 500mL of my plant juice and put it on simmer with about 500mL of vinegar. Left it with the lid on, stirring occasionally, for about 2 hours. This was basically just an act of curiosity now and a learning process of what extractions were like, I wasn't expecting much.
d) Once cooled, it was transferred to a plastic bottle and three de-fatting were done with 'Shellite' solvent. Lots of gloop folks.
e) NaOH was added until I the liquid was very black and didn't smell acidic (about 4 tablespoons, more is better than too little, right).
f) 10% of the volume in solvent was added and shaken, and left overnight.
g) Solvent was still clear today and I knew this attempt was rubbish but evaporated it anyway. Left it outside till it was almost gone, then into the freezer which just stupidly froze the solvent, so let it liquefy again and then evaporate outside till it was all gone. Nothing of interest was left in the dish, unsurprisingly!! Hahah.
Ok, the reason I made you read all that pitiful procedure was 1) So you can see the problems I've had, 2) So you can see my approach 3) To generate enough sympathy in you to help me in my next trial!
I've decided to work with the already dried material this time (ie, nothing from the fresh plants I collected, just the dead stuffs). Only the dried succulent leaves of the Delosperma, not the stems. Do you guys think I should use the stems as well? They're just so woody - don't know if the blender would survive it. Today I'm going to get hydrochloric acid and hopefully proper pH test strips. The slow cooker never reached a boil with the large quantity of juice in it, do you think I should buy a pot for my next try? Metal pots will react with the acid won't they? What other option for a pot/heating vessel is there?
Anyway, there are enough dried leaves to fill about a 5-6L volume. I wet them and put them in the freezer where they are now. What should be my approach now guys? What do you think of it all?
There are so few reports on Delosperma extractions that this might be a useful one for people in the future, even if it doesn't work out, this is another reason I put this out on the forum.
I have little experience, but I have the time and I'm so excited to learn to do this the right and smart way!
It was stupid to use fresh plant wasn't it? Extractions should be done with dry plant material to reduce the amount of chemicals used is what I've realised now.
Hypothetical Procedure:
So, put all the leaves in the blender by themselves or with water?
-Put them in a pot with Hcl acid to a pH of 3
-Boil (full boil?) for 2 hours or so and then decant liquid and replace with fresh acidic liquid and boil for another 2 hours?
-Combine liquids and strain out remaining liquid from the solids.
-Do 2-3 de-fats (with Shellite, Zippo, or buy Xylene?) Do I have to do these over a period of hours, days, or weeks?
-Prepare a sodium hydroxide mixture and add to the liquid till a pH of 9 or so.
-Add a solvent at about 10% of the liquids volume and stir, or shake, or shake a lot and over a period of hours, or days? Should I do one pull after 24hrs, then the next in one week (shaking it daily) and another after a week?
-Then let solvent evaporate completely outside? Or blow lightly with a hair drier? Or put it in the freezer once the solvent has almost evaporated? I won't get frozen solvent will I?
Hmm, there are a lot of questions here, I bet I've scared some people off
How tragic would it be if my Delosperma didn't have DMT in it though HAHA, I'll probably cry and go search for Acacia Acuminata somewhere. It's just that Delosperma is a weed and I felt guilty enough for taking that out of my forest! For the sake of the Delosperma injured in this process, please help me out!
Thankyou!
