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shantiboy

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hello all,
i wanted to ask you,
do you think ayahuasca can expel demonic entities/energies from one's body and heal the body, mind, and soul?
can my brain be healed from the psychic onslaught of attacks i have undergone because of substance abuse and trauma? i have been injected with microchips and cia assassins/evil illuminati wizards have attacked me, and i feel very bad right now, like i have been bombarded by assaults from evil creatures.
they even have me convinced now that EYE (I) am evil.
i want to get rid of the demons and be free from malicious attacks brought forth by unholy entities.
as a kid i used to pray a lot. I was born in a hindu family and we would recite gayatri mantra every night together, along with five other sanskrit prayers. I felt very loved and holy as a child.
we did not pray out of some type of morbid fear of god, but out of LOVE for god.
i lost my way during my teen years when i started using substances and started feeling "evil" type energies from those around me and from ingesting substances in general.
my cousin told me that i can totally heal from my past wounds and free my soul through ayahuasca use, and i am not looking to go to amazon to drink large amounts of ayahuasca with shaman, i just want to drink a little bit every few nights, and purge the poisonous evil energy that i have collected over the years.
thanks for all your help, it is really appreciated
 
The basic thing to understand, would be why you perceive your drug use as "evil" in the first place, when you refer to the substances you took. Also there are no demons outside of your own mind. Your views and preconditioned beliefs/perceptions shape your world
 
thanks for the reply.
i "perceived my drug use as 'evil'" because that stuff was dirty, impure, toxic, dangerous, and foul.
it would make my mind and body and sick, and hurt my soul. Thats why i labeled it as evil.
anything that hurts your soul and mind and body is evil in my eyes.
everything from liquor to lsd.
i used to be innocent, pure, and happy, peaceful, and loving, full of life and spirit.
as soon as i started taking substances, i started losing myself.
there's nothing worse than losing yourself.
it was not "preconditioned beliefs" that caused me to think that this stuff was "evil."
i drank what i thought was ayahuasca once, but i can't be sure if that's what it really was.
it made me hallucinate sounds, visions, and smells, made me intensely afraid,
and extremely sick for six hours.
i also felt completely terrible for two whole years afterwards. I would keep hallucinating terrible smells
that no one else could smell, like raw sewage everywhere, and my body felt like it was on fire, and my head was going to burst.
if this is what ayahuasca is supposed to do, then i don't think i want to do it again.
 
There are two different aspects at play here with your description, and it's important that you see both of them.


One is the facticity of a situation, and this is valuable, so when you say the "stuff was dirty, impure, toxic, dangerous, and foul"

Something can be soiled, which would make it dirty (by adding another substance to it which degrades the purity of the original substance) so in that sense, a white cloth, once you add mud, can become "dirty"... but this is just the factual point. This is "Isness", just the observable nature of it, without adding any kind of emotional attachment. When dirt was added to the white cloth, you can say the "purity" or the whiteness, of the cloth was spoiled.

When we extrapolate this observation to something like marijuana, for example, there is nothing inherently "dirty" or "impure" about high-quality pot. Marijuana has its own effect. That effect is independent of you. How that effect is used, can go both ways... it can bring your consciousness down, or it can be used in a medicinal way, that depends on you and your understanding. If you just use it to get high, without awareness, you will lose "yourself", but that is not the fault of the pot, that is the fault of you and your lack of awareness. Unconscious acts create this "evil" that you speak of.

Another way we can look at dirty, is by observing the inflection in the word itself, like something is sub-standard, or is unworthy of you, or is below you, which in and of itself is a degrading aspect (semantics can get tricky here, I mean degrading in the synonymous sense of "less than" or "lower than", no emotional inflection implied, simply facticity of it) This emotional inflection can come from all kinds of places, and its important to understand this level very deeply. There is nothing inherently wrong in marijuana, but if you have been told, or somehow formulated the opinion that it is "dirty" with this emotional inflection, that it is somehow below you, then naturally you have already subconsciously made the decision "against" it (and this is how it becomes "evil" in your mind, because you feel like it's not devine, so your respect for it's divinity is already lost due to your preconception), because it's not worthy of you, so naturally even if you smoke to enjoy it you will not be able to, this will create guilt in your consciousness, because you are splitting yourself by smoking something that you believe, or have already made the conclusion, is not worthy of you. This is what I mean by "preconceived notions" and those can be very problematic.

Technically speaking, everything in life is just various forms, or manifestations, of the One Devinity (Call it nature, call it God, call it whatever you want) But, marijuana has both aspects, it can make you lose yourself, if you don't respect it, and use it unconsciously, or it can be used medicinally to help alleviate pain, or for appetite stimulation in patients that need it, or for glycoma patients to relieve pressure on the eyes (not sure about this, have never confirmed the truth of this statement about the glycoma, but its widely reported, so I assume the possibility, but do not know if true or untrue)

The same holds for most other drugs. Opium can be the biggest addiction in the world, and ruin lives, it can also be used as a pain killer after a major surgery to help the patient recover. LSD/Mushrooms can make you go crazy, if you eat too much or your consciousness is not compatible with those states of awareness (because of prior psychological issues, or other problems that do not agree with the trip) or it can be used for healing therapy as an etheogen to give deeper insight into problems from perspectives you may have not otherwise been able to see...

And so on and so forth.

The only thing I'm fuzzy on is things like crystal meth, I have tried it, but I do not see any kind of condition under which it would be beneficial... not to say one does not exist, but the nature of that substance is simply toxic and unhealthy, and it wastes so much of your energy and makes you unconscious, that one could say that it's mostly just bad for you.

Cocaine has been used in the medical field for decades, but it can also overstimulate you and kill you in large enough doses.

So, back to your statement of "because the stuff was dirty, impure, toxic, dangerous, and foul"

If you got "dirty, impure" marijuana, you need to talk to your guy about that 8) ... joking, but also not. :lol:

In any case the facticity of most drugs, the factual statement, is that most of them are toxic, and dangerous, and some of them can be foul, ayahuasca tastes terrible by nature, so you could say it's "foul". But if you're using the term "foul" to define its emotional content as a drug which is "bad" for you, then it's inaccurate, it would depend on your own consciousness how you perceive it. If you have the utmost respect for something, and use it consciously with full awareness, then there is nothing inherently "dirty, impure, or foul" about the substance (unless you dropped your weed on the ground, and it's laced with something, and tastes like crap, of course 8) )


So, if you use drugs unconsciously, you will lose yourself. If using drugs in any kind of way makes you lose yourself, then just stop using drugs, and you will have "yourself" back. Your system cleans itself, and removes toxins by itself, you don't have to do anything actively for that. Just drop these things that are making you lose yourself, you don't need to take another drug to find yourself. Can ayahuasca help? it depends on you, it has the potential to both help, and harm, it depends on how you choose to use it. You can also choose not to use it at all, drop the things that are making you feel impure, and let time do the rest. The basic thing is that you understand what you are doing, and do everything with full and conscious awareness


And also drop this guilt within you about having used the substances in the past. You didn't know what you were doing, so you made some mistakes, we all make them, now that you understand simply don't repeat the same mistakes, learn from them, and move on. But there's no need to feel guilty about those years of drug use, as some bad or evil thing... if using drugs makes you feel bad and brings your consciousness down, then just simply stop using. Everything else will settle with time (your system will clean out its toxins, and you will return to your fresh, and normal, natural state)
 
wow!
thank you brokenchild!!! for such a thoughtful, long, heartfelt reply!!
it means a much to me.
that you would spend so much time listening to what i say and reply so thoughtfully.
the reason i feel so terrible is because i KNEW that marijuana was bad for *ME*
but i KEPT taking it, because i did not have any will of my own, that is to say, i would keep caving in
to the demands and pressures of others.
i also knew alcohol was bad for *ME* but after i got a taste of it from young age i started liking it and couldn't stop drinking it.
one substance lead to another and pretty soon i kept using things that were indeed bringing down my consciousness and destroying my physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health.
basically i have brought my consciousness down to AS LOW AS IT CAN GET, when before my consciousness was much much higher, i felt GREAT to be alive, i loved life and i felt God's love all the time, and everything was a great celebration. I felt enlightened as a kid, and it was continuing throughout my youth, adolescence, into my teen years.
but it was SO BAD for me to stifle my growth and do such injurious things to myself, i KNEW that that stuff was bad for *ME* but i STILL did it, which is why i feel so horrendously awful about it.
i don't think i can EVER return to my natural state, i have become SO UNNATURAL, all i feel is fear and sadness, and anguish and misery and sorrow, life was a divine dream and i was an important part of it and everything naturally made sense and was beautiful, now all that beauty is gone forever, i disrespected myself and nature and god by making myself into a lower creature when i was born a blessed human being with great ancestry and a great destiny.
i basically ruined my own divine destiny, i can never forgive myself, and i hate myself and i will never be happy or find peace or love inside myself ever again.
 
As long as you hate yourself, sure, you won't be able to find anything. Why do you hate yourself? And don't say "because of the drugs and alcohol" because that's just silly.

First of all, you didn't KNOW drugs were bad for you, otherwise why take them? If you knew completely, you wouldn't take them. If I stick my hand over a fire, and it gets burned, that is the last time I will be sticking my hand in the fire, peer pressure or not... I would have to be some special level of stupid if I were to do it again ;)

So, maybe you suspected they would not agree with your system, and then you took them, had your suspicion confirmed, and now you can say you KNOW. Another thing, you know that you have created your own suffering. If you know you are responsible for your own suffering, then you know it is also within your capability to stop creating it. Simply drop that which creates suffering in you, all the unnatural things. And you will return to your natural state, because it's your baseline, it's not something you can get rid of. It sits as an undercurrent even in unnatural acts, but its always there, drop the unnatural things and there you are again.

Also drop all this self-condemnation and guilt and self-loathing, because it's not going to help you and it's unnecessary. You made some very human mistakes, if I told you the mountain of stupid things I've done you would be baffled, but I learn from my mistakes when I fully understand them as such, and I stop doing that which brings me harm. Simple as that


Everybody is born a blessed human being, and everybody strays from it, but not everybody realizes it and is able to return to their natural center. It's up to you, do everything consciously, and drop the things that are creating suffering in you
 
but the thing is, i DID know that it was bad for me, and i still kept doing it.
now my body is diseased and old and crippled and destroyed along with my mind and soul, because i abused myself too much.
i wish SOMETHING would help, but NOTHING helps.
i liked how i used to feel, and can never feel that way again, because stupid fucking substances and stupid idiots that wanted to mess me up.
i cannot relax, i don't think anything will help me, i have no brain left, my spinal chord is gone, my evolution as a spiritual being has completely been destroyed forever. No one should have to go through this.
 
How old are you? I've used all kinds of substances for the last 14 years, and yes, they were damaging to my system, yes I was aware of it, did it anyway. Then at some point I stopped, because I saw the whole stupid game. I have used every substance mentioned above extensively, and then some, except ayahuasca... that's new to me. And haven't had any major issues... is my health damaged from that use? Yes. Will I recover it? absolutely. How? By not using. I exercise, and everything is slowly going back in place.

Your brain and your spinal column are not damaged, unless you physically messed them up somehow.

Another thing, YOU are ALWAYS responsible for yourself. So don't blame the responsibility on someone else because you chose to follow them, and didn't have the proper in-the-moment awareness to follow your own better judgement. Ultimately it was you who made the decision to do what your peers were doing.


Aristotle said:
That which lies within your power to do, also lies within your power not to do.

Inaction with mysery would help, don't repeat the same stupid mistakes. Meditation can also help, be aware of every single nuance of every single thing that you do; do everything consciously. Be a conscious participant in your own life, no one else is going to do that for you
 
shantiboy said:
but the thing is, i DID know that it was bad for me, and i still kept doing it.
now my body is diseased and old and crippled and destroyed along with my mind and soul, because i abused myself too much.
i wish SOMETHING would help, but NOTHING helps.
i liked how i used to feel, and can never feel that way again, because stupid fucking substances and stupid idiots that wanted to mess me up.
i cannot relax, i don't think anything will help me, i have no brain left, my spinal chord is gone, my evolution as a spiritual being has completely been destroyed forever. No one should have to go through this.


I'm not trying to be rude or anything but have you considered getting some kind of professional psychological help? I don't really think psychedelics are going to help you feel better at all with the particular frame of mind that you seem to be in.
 
There is always hope, whatever you have gone through, whatever bad decisions you have made you can redeem yourself. You have to give yourself time, be patient cultivate healthy habits. You are the master of your destiny, if you think you can't heal yourself you wont, if you think you can you will. You just seem really sensitive to substances, so simply don't use them, until you feel your strong enough to handle them.

It seems you have some sort of complex with purity and toxicity. My advice is before you turn to ayahuasca, you get on a healthy diet and exercise and expel some of the toxins naturally and boost your confidence some, after you do that reconsider using ayahuasca. IMO
 
thanks you guys, all of you!
means a lot to me to hear good advice from people who seem to care.
brokenchild - yes my brain is permanently damaged, my brain and nervous system DE-EVOLVED from horrendous substance abuse, i know this for a FACT.
no doctor can help me or detect any serious problems because my problem is spiritual in nature.
brain and heart harness consciousness, and spinal chord is receiver/transmitter of consciousness like a lightning rod.
i REALLY messed up my evolution as a human being, and there's NOTHING i can do about it, its the worst feeling possible that i would not wish on anyone.

yes, i do get professional help already, but it does not work.

i was really hoping that medicinal plants such as changa and/or ayahuasca could purify me and heal me.

i practiced a deep form of jnana yoga when i was a child. I would have realized the ultimate truth and reached cosmic consciousness like my ancestors did if i simply kept practicing jnana yoga instead of hanging out with people that were using substances, and getting pulled down a wrong, bad, destructive path.

i am trapped and theres nothing i can do, i hate substances, i was born with absolute knowledge, and now it is gone, i have not been happy in over 15 years, ever since i started using substance.

thanks for all your help guys.
 
adam said:
There is always hope, whatever you have gone through, whatever bad decisions you have made you can redeem yourself. You have to give yourself time, be patient cultivate healthy habits. You are the master of your destiny, if you think you can't heal yourself you wont, if you think you can you will. You just seem really sensitive to substances, so simply don't use them, until you feel your strong enough to handle them.

It seems you have some sort of complex with purity and toxicity. My advice is before you turn to ayahuasca, you get on a healthy diet and exercise and expel some of the toxins naturally and boost your confidence some, after you do that reconsider using ayahuasca. IMO
^^This, partially. The only thing I would disagree with is using ayahuasca. Because the basic premise behind it doesn't make much sense... you're trying to take one drug to undo the damage done by all of the other drugs you've done. But your root issue is with drugs as a whole, that they're impure, toxic, foul, etc... so then drop ALL drugs, if that's your issue. With time you'll return to normalcy, it's not like you need to take anything else, you just need to give your system time to clear itself

Your body naturally clears its own toxins, regular exercise and healthy eating habits help. You don't need to take anything else to "purge" your yesterdays out of your system, just make a conscious decision to live better and wiser today, and tomorrow, etc
 
shantiboy said:
thanks you guys, all of you!
means a lot to me to hear good advice from people who seem to care.
brokenchild - yes my brain is permanently damaged, my brain and nervous system DE-EVOLVED from horrendous substance abuse, i know this for a FACT.
no doctor can help me or detect any serious problems because my problem is spiritual in nature.
brain and heart harness consciousness, and spinal chord is receiver/transmitter of consciousness like a lightning rod.
i REALLY messed up my evolution as a human being, and there's NOTHING i can do about it, its the worst feeling possible that i would not wish on anyone.
Your basic problem is mental, not spiritual. Seriously

This link may help solve ur mental issues;
 
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