Lysergicbinder
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Which one should I choose for garden growing Illinoensis or Leptolobulus?
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Leptolobus is said to be more consistently reliable in alkaloid content; I only have experience of growing illinoiensis seedlings. It was pretty easy to get them going but I left them out unprotected and they got completely devoured by snails and woodlice 
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Ah those b*stards , maybe I should spray a little bit the garden.And I will take Endlesness's advice and acquire both types.Thanks guys!downwardsfromzero said:Leptolobus is said to be more consistently reliable in alkaloid content; I only have experience of growing illinoiensis seedlings. It was pretty easy to get them going but I left them out unprotected and they got completely devoured by snails and woodlice
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Poisoning your garden in the name of self-transcendence is an intrinsically flawed idea, wouldn't you say?Lysergicbinder said:Ah those b*stards , maybe I should spray a little bit the garden.And I will take Endlesness's advice and acquire both types.Thanks guys!downwardsfromzero said:Leptolobus is said to be more consistently reliable in alkaloid content; I only have experience of growing illinoiensis seedlings. It was pretty easy to get them going but I left them out unprotected and they got completely devoured by snails and woodlice
Anyhow, the snails and woodlice were not in my garden
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Ah don't worry there is some sort of a snail colony there , I could either eradicate them or eat them 
+ they have been eating my Basil and Orregano spices for far too long.
+ they have been eating my Basil and Orregano spices for far too long.
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In my experience, leptolobus seeds are fairly difficult to come across. I've never seen a vendor carry them.
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Lysergicbinder said:Ah don't worry there is some sort of a snail colony there , I could either eradicate them or eat them
You are not allowed to spray poison in your garden.
Diatomacious earth however is another matter. Or ducks, get some ducks, they love snails. And do some reading here and here.
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This seems to be helpful,thanks.Doodazzle said:Lysergicbinder said:Ah don't worry there is some sort of a snail colony there , I could either eradicate them or eat them
You are not allowed to spray poison in your garden.
Diatomacious earth however is another matter. Or ducks, get some ducks, they love snails. And do some reading here and here.
In choosing, there is also a practical consideration.
illinoensis is a tall plant, leptolobus grows almost flat against the ground.
That would help define where you could or couldnt grow either and what you could grow them with, as well as functions.
ill. could be a summer time screen for a chain link fence.
lepto. could be a lawn! No joke, if people grow ornamental strawberries as lawns why not leptolobus.
Say your in a colder climate and want cactus, get lots of identical sturdy black plastic pots. Plant half in the ground empty and plant leptolobus around them, plant cacti in the remaining pots, put the cacti pots in the ground pots in spring, any water and ferts that piss out the bottom of the cactus pots would feed the deep roots of the leptos- thus cutting down on surface watering and thus weeds, in the fall bring the cactus pots indoors and put decorative stepping stones or something on the ground pots until spring.
Be creative.
Its true lepto can be hard to buy, just ask around the ethno community. More and more people are growing them.
illinoensis is a tall plant, leptolobus grows almost flat against the ground.
That would help define where you could or couldnt grow either and what you could grow them with, as well as functions.
ill. could be a summer time screen for a chain link fence.
lepto. could be a lawn! No joke, if people grow ornamental strawberries as lawns why not leptolobus.
Say your in a colder climate and want cactus, get lots of identical sturdy black plastic pots. Plant half in the ground empty and plant leptolobus around them, plant cacti in the remaining pots, put the cacti pots in the ground pots in spring, any water and ferts that piss out the bottom of the cactus pots would feed the deep roots of the leptos- thus cutting down on surface watering and thus weeds, in the fall bring the cactus pots indoors and put decorative stepping stones or something on the ground pots until spring.
Be creative.
Its true lepto can be hard to buy, just ask around the ethno community. More and more people are growing them.
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Dog or cat hair and wood chip seem to wrj really good for snails slugs from past experience. Just spread thickly around the border of the garden they hate getting tangled up in it. Also for mites i have used cayan pepper dilutesprayed light mist over plants.. Might work for woodlice not sure.. Might also add a bit of spice to taste of any alkaloidal product. Happy growing! (Got one of these just started in the garden)
