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Did I break through?

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shishigami

shishigami

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Recent prior drug use, I first did Salvia two days ago (50mg 10x). I had two drinks 24 hours ago, which put me in an uncomfortable area. Non breakthrough DMT dose taken 13 hours ago. Smoked Marijauana and did a little bit of Nitrous earlier this night. The marijuana is almost entirely worn off.

I’ve been trying unsuccessfully to breakthrough for a while now. Over a month, I’ve gone through nearly 700 mg of DMT. I think I finally did. As I neared the end of what I extracted I resolved to breakthrough. I’m not sure of the exact amount in the pipe, it was at least 60 mg.

So I hit the Machine with a regular lighter. First hit was a small toke. Second was pretty damn big, I was afraid I might have even burned it. This one irritated my throat and I thought my night would be over. I was holding the second one and everything became incredibly intense, the most intense it has ever been. I cleared the pipe, tried to hit it again but couldn’t and looked around as everything morphed and the world appeared darker. I closed my eyes and was soon encircled by creatures of color and energy. I was wondering if I had broken through. They sang, cried, danced, and every other thing around me. One lay down and simultaneously played a green harp which was a pipe. I watched these creatures for minutes on end as they continued to play near me. I was immersed in their life. I knew I had a body but was no longer in it, I knew I was swallowing but couldn’t feel it. After a while I opened my eyes and my world was in front of me yet it was vibrating with mad intensity and nothing could be understood. I shut my eyes again and the creatures returned, yet they were fainter and farther away. After a few more minutes of observing them I bid them a mental farewell and opened my eyes a final time. The world moved while remaining still as I came down into the warm fuzzy afterglow.

This was incredibly intense but less so than I was expecting (perhaps due to all the self created hype) and I had less interaction with the creatures I saw than I was anticipating. So the question is did I break through?
 
Nope. No way. You would not be asking that question if you had broken through.

A DMT breakthrough is the kind of experience that you come out of feeling TOTALLY reborn. As though you've experienced the most powerfully loving and energetic transformation that a human being is capable of. It even makes you start to doubt a lot of DMT breakthrough claims.

Sounds like you got close, but didn't quite tip over the edge.



Smoking straight DMT freebase has been very hit or miss for me. I've gone through grams of the stuff, in countless attempts to smoke my way to a breakthrough, and out of all of that, I can tell you that I've only had two of the aforementioned full-on transformations.

You need to use either another route of administration, and/or an MAOI. I've had great success in the past smoking DMT while I'm already peaking on a sublingual or intranasal DMT trip, by the way.
 
Keep in mind that sub-breakthrough levels are not inferior by default. Breakthroughs are much more intense, but not always more influential. It is an intensely rewarding experience to undergo, but by no means the only worthwhile extension of DMT.

I broke through on my second attempt. I have returned there only a handfull of times in the 8 months since. The actual ingredients adding up to a breakthrough seem to be many and diverse, at least in my own experience. Occurrence independent of setting, administration, source, state of mine (conscious at least), etc.

It seems I only break through when I need to, not when I want to. It took a while for me to accept this, but I now find every experience more meaningful when it is not measured against that elusive breakthrough.

TheAppleCore said:
It even makes you start to doubt a lot of DMT breakthrough claims.
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I can definitely relate to this. Too much emphasis is placed on breakthroughs and seems to put a lot of pressure on new smokers to achieve this "ultimate experience". A healthy relationship with spice requires you take what it gives you....demanding an experience will keep you in a rut.

Then again, many experienced explorers claim to achieve breakthrough every time, so my whole stance could be bunk. :)
I only know my own experience.
 
Eden said:
Too much emphasis is placed on breakthroughs and seems to put a lot of pressure on new smokers to achieve this "ultimate experience". A healthy relationship with spice requires you take what it gives you....demanding an experience will keep you in a rut.
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Word.
One has to be humble before the great spirit spice and demand nothing from it. As mentioned, you only take what it gives to you.

However proper smoking technique has to be mastered if one wants to use the filled bowl properly.
 
Eden said:
demanding an experience will keep you in a rut.
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Definitely. I was almost a little hesitant to post that description of the breakthrough experience, because I feared it might set expectations or demands, and that's not the kind of mindset that's going to allow you to get much anything out of DMT.

My advise to anyone in the OP's situation would be to approach it exactly as Eden describes. Not every trip can or should be a breakthrough. However, don't give up until you DO eventually have one, as it remains an invaluable experience.
 
shishigami said:
...This was incredibly intense but less so than I was expecting (perhaps due to all the self created hype) and I had less interaction with the creatures I saw than I was anticipating. So the question is did I break through?
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When you finally break through, there will be no question. I have never heard of a DMT breakthrough described as something “less than I was expecting”. It is something beyond your imagination, and therefore it’s not possible to have expectations about what it will be like. It is also beyond words, so it cannot be adequately described in an experience report. It must be experienced to be understood.
 
I agree there's no question in your mind when you actually do breakthrough.

I knew I had my first breakthrough the moment I thought to myself, "Dear Lord, I may not be coming back from this one."
 
Choothos said:
I agree there's no question in your mind when you actually do breakthrough.

I knew I had my first breakthrough the moment I thought to myself, "Dear Lord, I may not be coming back from this one."
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Yes – that’s a good indicator. :)

Another one is when you believe that you won’t ever be able to function again in normal society after having witnessed what you just experienced.
 
gibran2 said:
I agree there's no question in your mind when you actually do breakthrough.

Another one is when you believe that you won’t ever be able to function again in normal society after having witnessed what you just experienced.
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YES; hehe...those experiences. Come when you least expect it. :)
 
Choothos said:
I agree there's no question in your mind when you actually do breakthrough.

I knew I had my first breakthrough the moment I thought to myself, "Dear Lord, I may not be coming back from this one."
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^ Lol :lol:
 
gibran2 said:
Choothos said:
I agree there's no question in your mind when you actually do breakthrough.

I knew I had my first breakthrough the moment I thought to myself, "Dear Lord, I may not be coming back from this one."
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Yes – that’s a good indicator. :)

Another one is when you believe that you won’t ever be able to function again in normal society after having witnessed what you just experienced.
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I've had both those feelings on trips i didn't breakthrough on... depends on what you classify a breakthrough though

If there's still any semblence of a human identity, worrying about the future state of an identity, or an attempt to keep an identity, its probably not really a breakthrough
But i don't think i've broken through on DMT yet, so :?: Im comparing it to meditational breakthroughs of losing ones identity into infinity

I've experienced being out of my body, experienced states i thought i would never come back from, experienced intense fractal beauty, been bounced from one body to another, accessed the akashic records... come out of every trip feeling reborn & fresh praising how sacred DMT is & how humble i feel, but don't feel i've 'broken through'...

YET
 
I've experienced being out of my body, experienced states i thought i would never come back from, experienced intense fractal beauty, been bounced from one body to another, accessed the akashic records... come out of every trip feeling reborn & fresh praising how sacred DMT is & how humble i feel, but don't feel i've 'broken through'...
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This has also been my experience. During the most intense states, i felt like i must have broken through. After a couple of experiences, they told me to don't give a damn about such a term, to enjoy what im seeing! After coming back, i knew that it wasnt a breakthrough experience.

I only had one experience where i though to myself "WTF happened" ...i was somewhere...else.
 
Chronic said:
I've had both those feelings on trips i didn't breakthrough on... depends on what you classify a breakthrough though

If there's still any semblence of a human identity, worrying about the future state of an identity, or an attempt to keep an identity, its probably not really a breakthrough
But i don't think i've broken through on DMT yet, so :?: Im comparing it to meditational breakthroughs of losing ones identity into infinity

I've experienced being out of my body, experienced states i thought i would never come back from, experienced intense fractal beauty, been bounced from one body to another, accessed the akashic records... come out of every trip feeling reborn & fresh praising how sacred DMT is & how humble i feel, but don't feel i've 'broken through'...

YET
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Your “human identity” remarks are not necessarily the case at all. My deepest DMT breakthrough experience (to this day, I haven’t had another anything like it) didn’t involve any loss of identity at all. If anything, I was even more aware of myself – who I am and what I am – than I had ever been before.

Your descriptions of some of your experiences sound like they could be breakthroughs, yet you feel they aren’t. I’m wondering how you define a breakthrough?
 
gibran2 said:
Your descriptions of some of your experiences sound like they could be breakthroughs, yet you feel they aren’t. I’m wondering how you define a breakthrough?
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I'm not sure, i've felt the potential for DMT & had incredible experiences, i guess i just intuitively know it can go much deeper than it has so far...

I guess im expecting some sort of full on majestic OBE, which i have tasted on DMT but not for very long at all, i'd expect the breakthrough to be 5+ minutes of being totally disembodied, whereas so far its just been way too chaotic to hold that total OBE/disembodiment, i keep describing it as my consciousness 'flicking' between different bodies, rather than staying disembodied.

I have an image of the breakthrough being where you are no longer caught in the speedyness of the experience, you become totally detached from it & everything becomes super slow & timeless, im basically comparing it to my meditation breakthroughs...

When i sit with my pipe i dont have expectations, i just intuitively don't think i've reached DMTs full potential
 
Chronic said:
I'm not sure, i've felt the potential for DMT & had incredible experiences, i guess i just intuitively know it can go much deeper than it has so far...

I guess im expecting some sort of full on majestic OBE, which i have tasted on DMT but not for very long at all, i'd expect the breakthrough to be 5+ minutes of being totally disembodied, whereas so far its just been way too chaotic to hold that total OBE/disembodiment, i keep describing it as my consciousness 'flicking' between different bodies, rather than staying disembodied.

I have an image of the breakthrough being where you are no longer caught in the speedyness of the experience, you become totally detached from it & everything becomes super slow & timeless, im basically comparing it to my meditation breakthroughs...

When i sit with my pipe i dont have expectations, i just intuitively don't think i've reached DMTs full potential
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Have you used any harmala alkaloids? Sublingual caapi-extracted alkaloids taken 20 minutes or so before vaporization helps to slow the experience down. My first “spiritual” experience was also my first time adding sublingual harmalas.

It’s definitely possible to become fully immersed in the “immaterial realm” for what seems to be hours (in actuality maybe 15-20 minutes). And as you’ve surmised about breakthroughs, my experience with them is that they’re rarely speedy or chaotic. There’s often a tranquility beyond anything I’ve experienced in everyday life.

As far as reaching DMT’s full potential goes, I don’t think there is a reachable limit.
 
I have made some caapi extract changa, around 7x, i added an unknown amount of DMT to it as it was the residue of DMT from beaker & glass dish, picked up with some acetone then evapped onto the 7x caapi leaf, it must have been a low dose as my mind didn't fully break away from the body, but it lasted much much longer than a low dose usually would, i saw the potenital of the caapi...

Im still very interested in trying pure DMT in the GVG when it arrives, DMT to me is synonymous with purity/purification, so trying it pure in the GVG is my priority right now, if i find it impossible to deal with the speed then i'll start bringing some caapi back into the mix... i think if one really breaksthrough with pure white spice then it should breakthrough to that tranquil serene space anyway, i've had glimpses...

Id love to hear from some GVG owners that inhale pure DMT on that though...
 
Chronic said:
I have made some caapi extract changa, around 7x, i added an unknown amount of DMT to it as it was the residue of DMT from beaker & glass dish, picked up with some acetone then evapped onto the 7x caapi leaf, it must have been a low dose as my mind didn't fully break away from the body, but it lasted much much longer than a low dose usually would, i saw the potenital of the caapi...

Im still very interested in trying pure DMT in the GVG when it arrives, DMT to me is synonymous with purity/purification, so trying it pure in the GVG is my priority right now, if i find it impossible to deal with the speed then i'll start bringing some caapi back into the mix... i think if one really breaksthrough with pure white spice then it should breakthrough to that tranquil serene space anyway, i've had glimpses...

Id love to hear from some GVG owners that inhale pure DMT on that though...
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What I usually do is take harmala alkaloids about 20 minutes before vaporization. Then, when I do vaporize, I use only pure DMT in my GVG. In fact, I’ve never added anything to the DMT I use in my GVG.

I’ve also had comparable breakthroughs without using harmalas at all. It is possible to have a timeless, tranquil, serene experience with DMT only.
 
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