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[coimeádaí fearainn]

I am in Ireland and I dont think that it is possible for me to get what I need and I feel it is one massive obstacle within my path that I dont think I can get past.
I have scoured the internet, through almost every website that I could find for the past 6 weeks, trying to source the plant matter I need.
Netherlands, Peru, the USA and even England my neighbouring country.
They all have websites either legit and dont ship or are a scam and are lying.
With no success and not even a single hope of locating a trustworthy source.
I do not think this is for me. I was brought into the fold by a local who wants me to wait on his every word but each week passes and there has been no teaching or providing of information of the stuff I cant ask on here.
He will willingly provide to people of a less moral value who like to get high and he likes to play shaman with me but will go no further with teachings than his own wild opinions. Even though I have done my research read books joined here to strenghten my knowledge further I have tried his sacrament about 5 or 6 times now. All I want is to be able to contribute rather than ask or expect from somebody else and he is unwilling to help me and I feel I am the person he could pass his torch onto as I am very patient and not in it for money or a buzz. If I was I would be in the party scene, where the big money is and easy sales. But it goes against my values and what I stand for.
I really dont know what to do here because it his hard to even source inhibitors but they can be got.
The best idea I can come up with is extracting from a few 100 kilos of Phalaris as it grows rampant in my rural area . This is obviously not a good idea.
If it is my true calling I know answers will come, but it is very disheartening and I am pretty disappointed in myself for even expecting someone to help me. Its my path alone. But when someone who is suppose to be enlightened honest and true to themselves (there words) you expect them to keep their word.
Maybe he will in time, but I have gained the knowledge I need to move forward alone just no source to get stuff from.

 

[Transform]

You may want to take up cactus cultivation instead. Another option is to get into phalaris cultivation and find seeds of a reliable variety, rather than chancing it on the random genetics of a wild accession. Although, if you don't look… There's a small chance you may stumble on a gold mine if you do run a few analyses on your local patches - which would be a great part of the "giving back" you've been looking for.

The viability of cultivating some of the other source plants depends on your exact living situation, but planting some active acacias is ideally something that gets done yesterday already

Beyond that, psilocybin mushrooms have their place in various shapes and forms. Whether through botany or mycology, it's going to be a matter of continuing to inform yourself and letting things come to you in the fullness of time.

Brushing up on the chemistry aspects, and chemistry in general, would be a way of doing yourself a favour - but I would say that, wouldn't I? Keep the faith, you'll get there in the end!

 

[coimeádaí fearainn]

You may want to take up cactus cultivation instead. Another option is to get into phalaris cultivation and find seeds of a reliable variety, rather than chancing it on the random genetics of a wild accession. Although, if you don't look… There's a small chance you may stumble on a gold mine if you do run a few analyses on your local patches - which would be a great part of the "giving back" you've been looking for.

The viability of cultivating some of the other source plants depends on your exact living situation, but planting some active acacias is ideally something that gets done yesterday already

Beyond that, psilocybin mushrooms have their place in various shapes and forms. Whether through botany or mycology, it's going to be a matter of continuing to inform yourself and letting things come to you in the fullness of time.

Brushing up on the chemistry aspects, and chemistry in general, would be a way of doing yourself a favour - but I would say that, wouldn't I? Keep the faith, you'll get there in the end!

I love how quick you respond and with such a positive an indepth approach! I have looked into cacti already and it will be another path for me. Its just the profound experiences I have had with changa makes me feel more connected, but whos to say I wont have the same or more connection with other entheogens. Liberty caps are rampant in my country come october so I am going to start sheep farming on my land to encourage more fertilization of the spores. Do you have any reading material to suggest in regards to the chemistry side of things or is it all on here?

 

[northape]

Liberty caps are rampant in my country come october so I am going to start sheep farming on my land to encourage more fertilization of the spores.

You're already better off than most people. Local wild medicine will always surpass any dry material.
Liberty Caps are one of the best mushroom species around and have a lot to offer.
You can look into Syrian Rue and even try some local psilohuasca if you want. Be careful, though; it should be very potent and powerful.

What I'm trying to show is that you actually have many options. Don't get stuck on one particular medicine.
Instead, focus on what you want from your journey in general. Get out of this limited mindset and thrive. All the best

 

[Transform]

I love how quick you respond and with such a positive an indepth approach! I have looked into cacti already and it will be another path for me. Its just the profound experiences I have had with changa makes me feel more connected, but whos to say I wont have the same or more connection with other entheogens. Liberty caps are rampant in my country come october so I am going to start sheep farming on my land to encourage more fertilization of the spores. Do you have any reading material to suggest in regards to the chemistry side of things or is it all on here?

Ooooooh, you have land? Well that's great news, surely! You'll definitely want to be finding some spots for whatever active species you can get hold of seeds, cuttings or whatever propagative material best suits them.

Chemistry-wise, I'd say try getting hold of old inorganic chemistry books from around 1950 since it sounds like you might be in a position to get to grips with how all of this knowledge has been based on what we can do with natural materials. This helps one to become aware of how to make the most of what's available.

One specific example I'm thinking of is the interchangeability of lye and lime - if you have one but need the other, you can always use one to make the other.

It might not be within your sensible remit to learn overly much about the organic chemistry beyond tie basics - unless it suddenly grasped you as a passion of course! From where you're at, getting a proper, in-depth overview of how exraction works should be your main goal, and most of that information is documented here - where there are gaps, I feel like it's my job to fill them in where possible.

Plus, what northape said

And, you're very welcome!

 

[coimeádaí fearainn]

You're already better off than most people. Local wild medicine will always surpass any dry material.
Liberty Caps are one of the best mushroom species around and have a lot to offer.
You can look into Syrian Rue and even try some local psilohuasca if you want. Be careful, though; it should be very potent and powerful.

What I'm trying to show is that you actually have many options. Don't get stuck on one particular medicine.
Instead, focus on what you want from your journey in general. Get out of this limited mindset and thrive. All the best

You are completly right about my mindset, I am hindering my learning focuding on one medicine, its about opening the mind, thank you for your positive encouragement

 

[coimeádaí fearainn]

Ooooooh, you have land? Well that's great news, surely! You'll definitely want to be finding some spots for whatever active species you can get hold of seeds, cuttings or whatever propagative material best suits them.

Chemistry-wise, I'd say try getting hold of old inorganic chemistry books from around 1950 since it sounds like you might be in a position to get to grips with how all of this knowledge has been based on what we can do with natural materials. This helps one to become aware of how to make the most of what's available.

One specific example I'm thinking of is the interchangeability of lye and lime - if you have one but need the other, you can always use one to make the other.

It might not be within your sensible remit to learn overly much about the organic chemistry beyond tie basics - unless it suddenly grasped you as a passion of course! From where you're at, getting a proper, in-depth overview of how exraction works should be your main goal, and most of that information is documented here - where there are gaps, I feel like it's my job to fill them in where possible.

Plus, what northape said

And, you're very welcome!

I Love to learn, but a busy dad of 2 so time is limited more than capability. Time to expand my horizons.
You guys are always very helpful and awesome! Sláinte from Ireland.

 

[NeitherHere]

1) don't rely on other people, it rarely goes well and even if it does it's just an added risk to your freedom and safety. I hear Ireland is pretty harsh on substance use
2) don't give up. i know that sounds cliche but DO NOT GIVE UP . you won't get anywhere if you give that hopelessness any food. you have to remain patient and persistent.
3) if you can't find what everyone else is using then use what you have access to: phalaris. sure you might have to do more work or have more stuff to process but if you really want to see the otherside then you don't have much choice in the matter right? wise man once told me "you can't catch any fish if you don't cast your rod"
4) don't tell anyone, especially that person you've been waiting on or anyone else around them for that matter, loose lips sink ships and if you're going to go from simple usage to manfacturing(even just for personal use) then your risk profile expands dramatically with more and more people knowing. so again, keep it hush hush.
5) while you're working on all of this get to understand your resources, what are they MEANT for what are they USED for. what is an inconspicous use for several liters of Naptha or heptane in your area? what do you need sodium hydroxide for? in the past while rummaging stores for mushroom growing supplies i'd simply tell people "i don't know, grandma told me to come to the store and look for *check notes slowly and misspronounce product* i don't know what its for but when gamgam says jump I jump"

best of luck, don't give up and you'll find success. it could be tomorrow, the day after or in my case several years after the start of your journey but you won't find success if you don't keep searching

NeitherHere

 

[new_science]

If you find DMT elusive, I would second the recommendation of psilohuasca. Taking an MAOi (do be careful with contraindications) with mushroom tea is very potent experience that runs alongside what you may eventually find within DMT or ayahuasca experiences.

 

[doubledog]

You are quite lucky to live in an area where very good mushrooms grow naturally. Do not underestimate mushrooms, psilohuasca is quite similar to ayahuasca.
I am also sure that there is a way to get some dmt for you.

Btw. I've spent 20 years thinking I would never be able to try mescaline, mainly due to a misinformation that cacti grown indoor here do not produce desired alkaloids.

 

[blig-blug]

I'm seeing this late, but I would rather not get any DMT plant material than depend on some shady character LARPing as a shaman. I would stay away from such people. As others have pointed out, mushrooms can take you as far as you want to go and even farther. And consuming medicine that you pick yourself contributes very positively to the set, compared to getting some material that who knows how was grown and harvested.

 

[coimeádaí fearainn]

I'm seeing this late, but I would rather not get any DMT plant material than depend on some shady character LARPing as a shaman. I would stay away from such people. As others have pointed out, mushrooms can take you as far as you want to go and even farther. And consuming medicine that you pick yourself contributes very positively to the set, compared to getting some material that who knows how was grown and harvested

As an Irish man I have decided to embrace my druidic culture, as brilliant as DMT may be. Its not native to my land and it is a gift from a far, if and when it comes I will honour the spirits of the plants within by treating it with the respect they deserve.
Liberty caps will be how I pursue the spirit realm. I was being impatient and relying on someone else.
The only way to truly learn sonething is doing it yourself, I am on my own journey so why let someone else drive.

 

[coimeádaí fearainn]

You are quite lucky to live in an area where very good mushrooms grow naturally. Do not underestimate mushrooms, psilohuasca is quite similar to ayahuasca.
I am also sure that there is a way to get some dmt for you.

Btw. I've spent 20 years thinking I would never be able to try mescaline, mainly due to a misinformation that cacti grown indoor here do not produce desired alkaloids.

I just had such profound dmt experiences I got overly excited and over looked the other potential in nature. Liberty season is about to begin and I will honour any other entheogen that comes across my path, when it does "I will take it easy, dude. But i'll take it "

 

[coimeádaí fearainn]

If you find DMT elusive, I would second the recommendation of psilohuasca. Taking an MAOi (do be careful with contraindications) with mushroom tea is very potent experience that runs alongside what you may eventually find within DMT or ayahuasca experiences.

This is the plan, they are my lands entheogen. It us the best way.

 

[coimeádaí fearainn]

1) don't rely on other people, it rarely goes well and even if it does it's just an added risk to your freedom and safety. I hear Ireland is pretty harsh on substance use
2) don't give up. i know that sounds cliche but DO NOT GIVE UP . you won't get anywhere if you give that hopelessness any food. you have to remain patient and persistent.
3) if you can't find what everyone else is using then use what you have access to: phalaris. sure you might have to do more work or have more stuff to process but if you really want to see the otherside then you don't have much choice in the matter right? wise man once told me "you can't catch any fish if you don't cast your rod"
4) don't tell anyone, especially that person you've been waiting on or anyone else around them for that matter, loose lips sink ships and if you're going to go from simple usage to manfacturing(even just for personal use) then your risk profile expands dramatically with more and more people knowing. so again, keep it hush hush.
5) while you're working on all of this get to understand your resources, what are they MEANT for what are they USED for. what is an inconspicous use for several liters of Naptha or heptane in your area? what do you need sodium hydroxide for? in the past while rummaging stores for mushroom growing supplies i'd simply tell people "i don't know, grandma told me to come to the store and look for *check notes slowly and misspronounce product* i don't know what its for but when gamgam says jump I jump"

best of luck, don't give up and you'll find success. it could be tomorrow, the day after or in my case several years after the start of your journey but you won't find success if you don't keep searching

NeitherHere

I wont give up I had an obstacle to overcome and now that I have I have made strides. I work in a family company that can use these supplies without question so im not too worried about that
as I have found exactly what i need. I think I am going to pursue, phalaris extraction.

 

[northape]

As an Irish man I have decided to embrace my druidic culture, as brilliant as DMT may be. Its not native to my land and it is a gift from a far, if and when it comes I will honour the spirits of the plants within by treating it with the respect they deserve.
Liberty caps will be how I pursue the spirit realm. I was being impatient and relying on someone else.
The only way to truly learn sonething is doing it yourself, I am on my own journey so why let someone else drive.

That's the way to do it. Local wild plants would always outperform anything else if they are used with respect and in a ceremonial setting.
Liberty caps will help you understand what to do next and how to live from your heart. Develop a good relationship with them, and many other doors will open for you.
All the best

 

[fink]

Did you know that mimosa can also be used legitimately to produce soap? Fascinating tree!

 

[Transform]

There will most certainly be other native psychoactive plants in Ireland, some of which may even - sometimes - produce DMT. Druidry is capable of leading you there, although liberty caps have essentially got you covered

 

[Jamie01]

I'm seeing this late, but I would rather not get any DMT plant material than depend on some shady character LARPing as a shaman. I would stay away from such people. As others have pointed out, mushrooms can take you as far as you want to go and even farther. And consuming medicine that you pick yourself contributes very positively to the set, compared to getting some material that who knows how was grown and harvested.

This. Because any idiot with access to bark can mix up some hardware store chems in a jar and pretend they “made” something. Extracting is cool but it’s def not something worthy of bragging rights IMO.

Psilocybe mushrooms like others said are pretty much just like oral DMT and also something anyone can grow.