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Different re-Xing methods?

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steppa

steppa

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Hey! Good morning Nexus,

would you think that the following procedure would yield a cleaner product than the normal "dissovlve in hot naphta -> decant -> freeze percip" way?

Cause in my last re-X attempts I had problems with the jellyfish phenomena I want to approach it in a bit different way. Namely by dissolving my red/brownish spice in warm water, base this water to ph 12-14 and then quick pull with naphta and hope that most of the gunk stays in the water.

Would this be worth a try?

Have a good day! =)
 
The Traveler said:
"jellyfish phenomena"
That's new for me, can you please explain what you mean with that?
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Of course! It popped up several times, by different users, including myself here. While the DMT/Naphta mix is in the freezer it changes it's consistency to jelly fish or wobbly jelly like. This leads to DMT crystals stuck in the jelly.

Please have a look at this thread. Also it's mentioned in this (with picture) and a few other posts in this thread.

My personal guess is, that this is caused by too high temperatures of the waterbath during acidifiing and/or basifiing stages.
 
steppa said:
The Traveler said:
"jellyfish phenomena"


My personal guess is, that this is caused by too high temperatures of the waterbath during acidifiing and/or basifiing stages.
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high temp does not change it for me. Pulled with boiling naptha and re-x with boiling too.
When pulling you get more inpure but thats it.

Namely by dissolving my red/brownish spice in warm water, base this water to ph 12-14 and then quick pull with naphta and hope that most of the gunk stays in the water.

Would this be worth a try?
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it works. I did this with my junk pulls and got a little crystal out.
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It may just be your solvent. I would try to get some heptane and attempt the re-x with that. If that isn't an option a sodium carbonate wash will get it a bit cleaner as well.

What plant material were you extracting from?
 
It may just be your solvent. I would try to get some heptane
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This ocured with naphta, light naphta and also with heptane. I don't think it's the solvent then. But as it doesn't happen every time there must be another variable which is responsible for this.

I'm extracting from powdered MHRB.
 
Have you tried to dissolve the jellyfish blob in ethanol or IPA and letting it all evaporate again? If there is solvent all inside the crystalline structure it should float the the top of the alcohol and evaporate off before the alcohol hopefully leaving you with a solid.

Did you use any plastics in your extraction by any chance?
 
alert said:
Have you tried to dissolve the jellyfish blob in ethanol or IPA and letting it all evaporate again? If there is solvent all inside the crystalline structure it should float the the top of the alcohol and evaporate off before the alcohol hopefully leaving you with a solid.
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No, I haven't tried this. Maybe I'll try it and see what happens next time the jellyfish visits me.

Did you use any plastics in your extraction by any chance?
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Plastic foil over my container while its in the waterbath. And for pulling I used medical syringes. But I have nice big lab pipettes now. Do you think the plastic could be the cause?
 
Just posted this in the other thread, but I highly suspect its plastic.

As for re-x methods. I used to take my yellow spice laden naptha fresh from my pulls, mix it with hcl/water(vinegar/water will do fine), remove the dirty naptha to use for later pulls, then rebase the acid water and pull again with clean naptha. I think this method removed some oils, but probably the same amount or less than a normal hot nps re-x would. This method might help with your jellyfish. Also to note is that if your dmt is in solid(or semi-solid jelly) state you can always just add that to the acid water. They call this method backsalting and most people say its kinda pointless, but it might help your situation.
 
Thank you very much. Regarding my extracted spice I'm a bit concerned now, that plastic could have made it into it?! :( Although it tastes "normal" from what I can say.
 
What I would do is isolate as much of the jelly as you possibly can. Get it entirely by itself. Then try drying half of it and try re-xing/freezing the other half. Maybe you could try putting a flame to some of the isolated jelly and see what it does. See what kind of properties it has. If it crystallizes when you dry it then its dmt in a limbo state. If its something else then you should be able to figure out what it is from that.

I've had soaps get into my spice before. It yeilded what looked like liquid soap. I've also had plastic from my bastor get into my pulls when I was using xylene. Thatyeilded what you describe. A stringy clear substance different from the spice. That's why I think its plastic. In all reality it could just be dmt that didn't freeze right. But there's only one way to find out, experiment.
 
Ok, thnk you. As I don't don't have any jellyfishes in the freezer right now I'l keep this in mind.

But, just to be sure:

A stringy clear substance different from the spice
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This sounds like you had plastic strings forming in your naphta. Did I get this right? Cause this is definitly not the case for me.
 
Yea. Lol. I've never had the exact problem you've had(jelly during freeze), but if others have then there must be a semi-common explanation. But never time it happens try to isolate it as much as possible. Id say if you isolate it, let it dry, and it hardens into a weak plastic then its plastic from somewhere. Seranwrap will dissolve into solvents, if you're using that, and it might be your lid also. My lids break down with exposure to bases but they don't absorb into the solvents. What containers/pipettes do you use?
 
Du57mi73 said:
I used to take my yellow spice laden naptha fresh from my pulls, mix it with hcl/water(vinegar/water will do fine), remove the dirty naptha to use for later pulls, then rebase the acid water and pull again with clean naptha.
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If your problem is indeed plastic contamination, this procedure should theoretically separate DMT from the plastic. I had a similar problem once when I used a blue plastic funnel during an extraction, and my final product came out blue. I used a method similar to this, except using vinegar instead of HCl, and it worked great. The blue plastic contamination was not water soluble, so it stayed in the solvent when the alkaloids transferred into the aqueous layer.
 
Entheogenerator said:
Du57mi73 said:
I used to take my yellow spice laden naptha fresh from my pulls, mix it with hcl/water(vinegar/water will do fine), remove the dirty naptha to use for later pulls, then rebase the acid water and pull again with clean naptha.
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If your problem is indeed plastic contamination, this procedure should theoretically separate DMT from the plastic. I had a similar problem once when I used a blue plastic funnel during an extraction, and my final product came out blue. I used a method similar to this, except using vinegar instead of HCl, and it worked great. The blue plastic contamination was not water soluble, so it stayed in the solvent when the alkaloids transferred into the aqueous layer.
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:thumb_up: Problem solved.

Blue spice? Scary.I would have just tossed it and started over if I saw blue. Lol.
 
Du57mi73 said:
What containers/pipettes do you use?
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Till to the most recent extraction I used a mason jar, medical syringes and yes, saran wrap. But I switched from saran wrap to aluminium foil now. I also threw out the syringes and bought some nice 25 ml and 100 ml boro silicate glass pipettes and use them with my wifes pipette filler. And I found out that it's great to work with those! :)
 
Very interesting! Just a wild guess, perhaps the temperature gets cold enough,
and fast enough, to 'jellifishify' the solvent with suspended DMT in the solution.
 
MaNoMaNoM said:
Very interesting! Just a wild guess, perhaps the temperature gets cold enough,
and fast enough, to 'jellifishify' the solvent with suspended DMT in the solution.
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Interesting guess! But shouldn't this happen every time then?

I now think tht Dustmite may be right. And I think that it only happened when I pulled with hot solvent, cause the cold solvent wasn't able to dissolve the plastic from the syringes.

Oh...just thinking...that's easy to find out now. I'll test this today by just sucking up hot naphta into the syringe I used to use and put this solvent into the the freezer afterwards. If dustmite was right it should jelly up. *whoohoo* Science... Exciting! 😁
 
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