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Diplopterys Cabrerana Chaliponga

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joedirt

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I'm planning to try an extraction on 500gms of Diplopterys Cabrerana Chaliponga powder soon.

Does anyone here have any experience with this extraction?

I'm thinking I'll stick to a standard A/B so I can get an easy defat in.

I hear rumors of 5-Methoxy in there, but as far as I can tell it's just subjective.

Anything anyone can tell me about this before I jump in would be much appreciated.

I'll report back to the board once I do it and let everyone know how it went.
 
most extractions on chaliponga require many defats (7-8?) and have low yields from what i've heard.
I have heard good reports of soaking chali in ethanol/methanol/iso for a while and evaporating that.
 
Shadowman-x said:
most extractions on chaliponga require many defats (7-8?) and have low yields from what i've heard.
I have heard good reports of soaking chali in ethanol/methanol/iso for a while and evaporating that.
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So your saying evaporate out the salt form and then proceed with an A/B? Seems like it would be easier to just run a couple of defats upfront...

I'm surprised the yields are so low since it's reported to have a pretty high DMT content. I guess I'll know much more in a few day's time.

For now I'm planning to do 3 separate defats. Limonene, Naptha, and Xylene. I have a hot plate so it is trivial to do the defats warm to make them more efficient. Then I'll up the ph and pull the goodies out.
 
A friend of mine just gave me 100mg of some crystalline green powder he got from soaking chaliponga leaf in ethanol for 2 weeks and evapping. I haven't tested it yet so I don't know how active it is. I'm not sure if I can just smoke it as is or do I need to freebase it first?
 
MySmelf said:
A friend of mine just gave me 100mg of some crystalline green powder he got from soaking chaliponga leaf in ethanol for 2 weeks and evapping. I haven't tested it yet so I don't know how active it is. I'm not sure if I can just smoke it as is or do I need to freebase it first?
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I'm going to guess that you need to freebase it before smoking it. It won't hurt to try vaping a tiny portion of it..say 5mgs to see it's active though.

Please give it a shot and report back! I'm very very curios. If perchance it turned out that DMT was in it's freebase form in chaliponga then that would pretty much mean one could just make 10x leaves and have a perfectly good smoking leaf already available! Please let us know what you find.
 
joedirt said:
I'm planning to try an extraction on 500gms of Diplopterys Cabrerana Chaliponga powder soon.

Does anyone here have any experience with this extraction?

I'm thinking I'll stick to a standard A/B so I can get an easy defat in.

I hear rumors of 5-Methoxy in there, but as far as I can tell it's just subjective.

Anything anyone can tell me about this before I jump in would be much appreciated.

I'll report back to the board once I do it and let everyone know how it went.
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No need to defat as long as you back-salt. SWIM has done his chaliponga extractions with standard 3x3 hour (or it might have been 4x2hours, he doesn't remember) boils pH 4, reduce basify to pH 10 extract with xylene, then go FASA. Yields are around the 1% ballpark.

Xylene can be substituted with any other solvent of preference, and FASA can be substituted with FASW, or just vinegar/HCl/whatever acid pulls on the NP solvent.

It may be good to try DCM pulls if it is available, this will definitely pull 5-meo if there's any to begin with [[in case xylene/limonene/toluene/ether etc do not pull 5-meo - note that we do not know which solvents are good for pulling 5-meo, but DCM works for almost everything under the sun]]]. The pH 10 is recommended just in case it a highly basic pH may break it down.

Naphtha can be used as the NP, but most likely naphtha will (as in the case of MHRB) require higher pH to pull the freebases.
 
Infundibulum said:
joedirt said:
I'm planning to try an extraction on 500gms of Diplopterys Cabrerana Chaliponga powder soon.

Does anyone here have any experience with this extraction?

I'm thinking I'll stick to a standard A/B so I can get an easy defat in.

I hear rumors of 5-Methoxy in there, but as far as I can tell it's just subjective.

Anything anyone can tell me about this before I jump in would be much appreciated.

I'll report back to the board once I do it and let everyone know how it went.
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No need to defat as long as you back-salt. SWIM has done his chaliponga extractions with standard 3x3 hour (or it might have been 4x2hours, he doesn't remember) boils pH 4, reduce basify to pH 10 extract with xylene, then go FASA. Yields are around the 1% ballpark.

Xylene can be substituted with any other solvent of preference, and FASA can be substituted with FASW, or just vinegar/HCl/whatever acid pulls on the NP solvent.

It may be good to try DCM pulls if it is available, this will definitely pull 5-meo if there's any to begin with [[in case xylene/limonene/toluene/ether etc do not pull 5-meo - note that we do not know which solvents are good for pulling 5-meo, but DCM works for almost everything under the sun]]]. The pH 10 is recommended just in case it a highly basic pH may break it down.

Naphtha can be used as the NP, but most likely naphtha will (as in the case of MHRB) require higher pH to pull the freebases.
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Gracias Amigo!.

Just to be clear you are suggesting I salt out the product from the NP pulls for first step purity, then rebasify from salt, and recrystallize for final purity? That seems like it should actually work very well. I guess I should spent a little time looking over the FASA method before i jump into this.

It seems like most of the solvents when hot should also pull an 5meodmt as well. Hum....perhaps acetonitrile will work, DCM may be hard to come by.
 
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Yes, the salting of the NP solvent pulls gets the alkaloids in the water, leaves the fats in the solvent. It may seem more work than it really is, but it's faster than defatting the acid brew (you also do not have to deal with emulsions during defat) and you also economise on solvent.

The alkaloids in the solvent can be recovered by various methods, like the water crystallisation and the sodium carbonate paste methods.

FASA is OK, but you'll have to work with xylene or toluene to really make it work, plus you'll need to find fumaric acid. Salting with vinegar, hydrochloric acid, phosphoric acid, sulfuric acid etc is just fine, usually easier and often more available.

SWM knows not much of acetonitrile but since it is miscible with water it'll suck in extractions.
 
Infundibulum said:
SWM knows not much of acetonitrile but since it is miscible with water it'll suck in extractions.
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Yep you are quite correct. I don't know were my mind was when I typed that...oh wait I have a good idea where my mind was!

Thanks for the extraction clarifications. I have to agree with you it sounds like a lot less work to do an extra salt step as opposed to dealing with defat messes!

Cheers
 
the issue with chaliponga extraction is there are so many vendors out there selling chali leaves that aren't even chaliponga.

i also bought a supposed chaliponga plant and since then the source removed it from the catalog because i think they didnt properly i.d. it, so now i don't really know what i have.

looking forward to see how it went on your supposed chaliponga material.
 
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