DMT Abuse: Tolerance, Hyperslaps, Injuries, etc

[Simon Jester]

I am sure most of us have noticed that the mind/brain and certain psychedelics (particularly DMT) have a synergetic "defense mechanism" of sorts. Those who misuse or abuse these drugs often find themselves encountered with certain physiological/archetypal phenomena, bad trips, injuries and other deterrent experiences.

First off, let me clarify that I do not believe any drug use is inherently wrong. However, my observation is that people often use drugs in ways that are, oddly enough, offensive to their own sensibilities and detrimental to their continued well-being as their own "reality-tunnels" would have it. This is common and often minimally damaging with intoxicants, etc... but with psychedelics the result can be severe, as anyone who has received a Hyperslap can attest. Furthermore, unless these things are dealt with, they can cause lingering issues of many sorts that nobody (especially us trippers) wants to see.

I've noticed that the vast majority of cases involving tolerance development, physical injury/stress related to DMT smoalking, unpleasant cognitive effects, etc. etc. seem to stem from people using DMT to excess. In my experience, it is most often those who are using the drug simply for its enjoyable and entertaining effects, or those who frequently smoalk for long periods of time in hopes of reaching "further" into the experience without or of making grand discoveries, who experience these unpleasant consequences.
I count myself among the seeming majority who seldom if ever get even an odd cough to admonish their actions. It seems to me that the greatest determining factor here is purity of intention and sensible respect for/integration of the experience, regardless of our personal goals and reasons for partaking of the spice.

I do not make this thread to promote divisiveness or any sort of intention/integration elitism, but rather to share and collect information with the goal of education; The possible creation of some sort of concise resource that may better help seekers and "honeymooners" achieve their personal ends safely, happily and comfortably. This will not only make for happier users and seekers, but also happier non-users and critics. Harm reduction in all sorts of nifty ways.
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I'm going to refrain from sharing experience or exampling, since I'm kinda fried out right now... But I would like to ask anyone reading to please give any relevant experience you have in this department. My grand hopeful goal is to put together something concise, respectful, and informative that will help people like ourselves start confidently and most importantly happily and safely down this "path", and to help steer away those who might end up using this tool to the wrong end, and suffering for it.

See you when I'm sober!

Much Love and Gratitude,
Simon Jester

 

[Global]

DMT most always treats me well. I've gone through periods that bordered on abuse with the sheer amount of times I would smoke per day/week, but negativity seldom creeps into my experiences, and when it does, it's never been something I've been overwhelmed by. The only times I've been overwhelmed have been with positivity and it was "overwhelming" in the best way possible. As far as tolerance goes, that's something of a more ambiguous subject. Let's assume you smoke the same amount of DMT for 7 consecutive days. Days 1, 2 and 3 may all result in very powerful, satisfying experiences. Day 4 may be a little less satisfying. Day 5 may be even less so, but then out of no where Day 6 may just kick you in the nuts and take you by surprise. On one hand it seems that tolerance can build up if used regularly, and then on the other hand you never really know what you're gonna get...any time you do it. You can do it once a day, or once every month and you may find that even if you're only doing it once a month that your experiences may still be disappointingly uninteresting for no apparent reason. There are so many known variables at play that keeping all of them constant and controlled would be a feat in itself not to mention the unknown variables (like if your exact location in time and space or your relationship to a point in electromagnetic fields or something could affect the outcome).

Now, I think more importantly than how often you do it (fyi I only do it once a week or once every two weeks at this point in time) is the dosage factor. I think this is where people get in trouble more than anywhere else. You gotta know yourself and be honest with yourself. You have to know what is too high for you. Just because other people are vaping 30mg doesn't mean you should be too. This whole issue is further complicated by the fact that just because 20mg resulted in a fairly intense experience doesn't mean that it won't completely obliterate you the next day, as I outlined in the above paragraph.

It's important to learn first hand that no matter how far you go out, you will always come back. Reality will always reassemble itself without any help on your part. Even if things seem to be taking a little longer than expected to return to normal, just wait the extra 5-10 minutes and everything will be just fine. In this situation, the experience is much better than any words we can put to it. You can hear that it'll be over really fast a million times, but nothing is more assuring than solidifying this knowledge with direct experience (as is the best experience with most of these things). If things get rough, tough and uncomfortable, you just have to ride it out. If you have MAOIs in the mix, and things are gonna be lasting for a while, and things aren't going very well there are some pieces of advice I can recommend (these will be harder for some than others apparently). If you have someone to talk to, start talking. If not, put on some music or the tv if you can manage. Little distractions of any kind can usually help keep you grounded and ride it out. If you leave your mind to its own devices in a state of negativity, it can create a lot more anxiety. On the other hand, allowing the negativity to run its course and avoid fighting it can allow that negative tension to flower into positive energies, so this is really best judged on a case by case basis as to how you want to try to proceed.

It's also important to realize that DMT isn't for everyone. Even people who are highly interested and motivated. Lots of people who like the more traditional psychedelics just can't vibe with DMT, especially for any kind of extended periods of time. Not that many people can subject themselves to the obliteration over and over, and if you're not one of those people, that's ok. This isn't a macho contest. Hopefully though, DMT will want to deal with you as much as you want to deal with it.

 

[Simon Jester]

Global, first off thank you very much for your reply! Great post! Please don't think I'm trying to be a dick at all... Your post would have been of invaluable quality to me if I were here asking for advice about my tolerance/abuse issues. Perhaps you should save it should somebody come asking something like this! However, I am not a "n00b", nor am I struggling with abuse issues. Your advice is great and your conclusions are very similar to those I have come to at this point, but I am looking for the experiences and data that that brought you there, so many perspectives can be gained on this single object I am/we are thinking of. Your post was not useless, thank you again!

I am looking for your particular experience and observation, related to misuse/abuse related "backlash"... whether it be bad experience, no experience (the drugs having no effect), injury/lung pain and even the unfortunate "Hyperslap" where one is taught the lesson the hard way... or anything else applicable.

 

[Purges]

Here is a prime example of what I guess one would term a 'Hyperslap': The man who flew too close to the sun. Difficult experience. - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Fear, terror and darkness were the overlying themes, not pleasant at all!

This whole issue is further complicated by the fact that just because 20mg resulted in a fairly intense experience doesn't mean that it won't completely obliterate you the next day,

True dat! I can relate to your post in pretty much every way.

 

[MeatMachine]

I've recently had a diminishment in the effects of smoked FB- OEVs are more shroom-like and 'sparkly' whereas CEVs have a much 'swirlier' look to them, and are much fainter- no solid geometric patterns, just a dense star field on a black background that warps and swirls, often forming into a group of jester-like figures. Also last time I experienced this I saw a skull-like face or 'death', I felt as though DMT was trying to scare me in a playful manner. I also have to focus harder to get CEVs to form into anything meaningful.

Thing is I wouldn't call my use of DMT excessive- a friend or two have said I've been smoking it alot but I think that's due to the amount I talk about it. I've smoked maybe once a week (consisting of a session of 2-4 'dives') at the most (probably closer to once a fortnight) for maybe 3 months now.
I'd actually found that I was smoking DMT much less than I'd wanted to, due to it not feeling like the right time for it- I would only smoke when my mind is calm and I felt emotionally balanced.

This diminishment in the effects of DMT has come at an unexpected point, as I just felt that I had got my vapourising technique spot-on with my simple bong and turbo lighter setup- DMT had recently rewarded me for this by engulfing me with one of those enourmous, glowing pink clouds of love I've heard people talk about. It looked so much softer than the visuals had been on DMT previously! At one point I even thought 'Wow, did I even take DMT and not some other kind of drug? No, definitely DMT'.
Sadly this experience was the last one that bore much similarity to the DMT I had grown so fond of.

I've spoken with Nexians in chat and they recommended backing off from the DMT for a month or two, which I will do. I've got some experimenting to do with truffles and salvia in the mean time anyhoo... It's just a shame, I am worried that I'll never get to go back to hyperspace : (

 

[Pandora]

I've been hyper bitch-slapped at least three times. Each and every time, I was using DMT to excess- breaking through multiple times in a session without any time off for integration. Doing it multiple times in a week.

Now, I always say follow the call and this is in fact what I do. But, speaking for myself, I think sometimes the call is so strong I think I may mis-hear or mis-interpret, maybe even get greedy for insight, forward progress, etc.

Here is a link to the last and worst one. F**k, 21 mins in hyperspace - 6 Mos Later, Educated & Integrated - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

I'm six months into integrating this one and, frankly, have seldom felt mentally better in my life. I learned A LOT from that one. I hope to update a post on that thread - maybe even change the title to say 6 months later, what I've learned. Just a couple things: Never say never again with DMT, love is the heart of all, the key ingredient in everything that matters, the rest is illusion, fluff, cultural bull-excrement, etc. Acceptance with understanding, love and human connection is the ONLY way (because impermanence is the only truth); every moment of this exquisite blessing/miracle that is life should be noticed, cherished, appreciated, shared, etc.

So, I guess I'd throw my hand in partially with those who say, "The rough ones are the most valuable." BUT, I did do A LOT of hard work on this one. I tried to integrate. My first attempts were miserable failures. Then integration happened but I was so unhappy - I had acceptance in a sad, resigned way. Then a series of things having to do with trips, life and death happened and the quiet, happy, acceptance descended and it's been here so long my friends and family/loved ones are noticing. "You've changed!" I even had someone close to me say, "We used to think after you died you would be reincarnated as a feral cat. Now we think maybe that's not the case, but that you'd come back as a happy housecat."

Don't get me wrong. I haven't given up fight and passion when appropriate, not at all, nor calling folks on their own bull excrement as well as trying to confess and identify my own ongoing streams of same. What I've given up is the endless inappropriate resistance, railing and complaining about stuff that MUST be accepted. It feels very good. Very quiet and calm. Suddenly meditation is easy and natural, not a crazy, impossible exercise in trying to even out chaos.


Regarding "tolerance." I've never noticed any real tolerance with DMT. BUT, if I use heavily or abusively, the color drops out of my visions. Also, if I dose too low the sharp lines are gone and my visions are as blurry as my everyday sight (20-450 ) . Yet ironically, back during my honeymoon period, I dosed so hard, high (mgs) and fast that that was never an issue. I think the change in effects can be due to abuse BUT for me it can also be due to fear or hesitation or just old age conservatvism holding me back from taking that deep third hit in under 60 seconds these days.

So, I guess the point here is that in my honeymoon I abused DMT so much that I've made it so that it is very difficult to achieve desired effects today. Get burned by a flame that is the heat of the core of the sun a couple times and it's hard to put your hand back in - even if you just know that it's only the Gom Jabbar box.

I suspect I may have more to say here. I really appreciate your starting this thread Simon Jester - thank you. I apologize for the rambling style of my initial thoughts here.

Peace & Love