DMT as first psychedelic?

[qwer]

what do you think of someone doing DMT for there first psychedelic experience? exept weed.
i was thinking of just taking one big hit first and feeling it abit and maybe seeing some visuals, then next time taking 2 big hits and seeing some geometric paterns and stuff, and finaly going for 3 and trying to breakthrough.
how does this sound?

 

[۩]

It sounds like you have expectations.

Visuals? Geometric patterns and stuff?
You can leave these behind.
What happens when we do this
goes way beyond just one sensory spectrum.

Something is telling you to do this.
There is only one way to know why.
Take it as far as you can handle questioning.

DMT as a first psychedelic?
I say yay.

 

[qwer]

It sounds like you have expectations.

Visuals? Geometric patterns and stuff?
You can leave these behind.
What happens when we do this
goes way beyond just one sensory spectrum.

Something is telling you to do this.
There is only one way to know why.
Take it as far as you can handle questioning.

DMT as a first psychedelic?
I say yay.

i didnt mean it in that way, i just meant more like that, less of a breakthrough.

 

[Baby Bonnie Hood]

Bad idea. DMT is primarly therapeutic and not really recreational (although it can be!)
Even experienced psychonauts need to take it easy with this substance. It's not just another hallucinogen - DMT is SO much more. I had previous experience prior to my first DMT-experience and even though I studied a lot, did my own extraction, read a lot of trip reports and all that - I STILL wasn't fully prepared for DMT. The onset comes incredibly fast and hard. I knew this beforehand ofc but no matter how much you read, you cannot fully comprehend the speed and raw power of DMT until you try it. I was SO surprised when I smoked it, and even started to worry about the quick loss of control I experienced. Luckily I didn't get a full breakthrough because I was obviously not prepared for it at that time.

If you want to take this journey in baby steps then I would recommend LSA as a first psychedelic - it's the one I started out with. Then I tried DXM, Salvia, Mushrooms and now I'm on DMT. I would've been more prepared I think if I had tried LSD or some high-dose shrooms beforehand...

If LSA sounds boring, then maybe start with a small dose mushrooms? 1 to 1,5 grams (dried).

So yeah... start with something "smaller", gather some more experience and then when you feel that the time is right, smoke a lil' DMT

PEACE

 

[obliguhl]

This has been discussed several times already, so you might want to do a search to find additional opinions on this. Personally, i believe that a small dose of DMT is a great introduction, because it doesn't last long and will probably surprise someone not experienced. A low dose of freebase might only show a small spectrum of what psychedelics can do though and should be followed up with a longer lasting one. I suggest mushrooms thereafter. Baby Bonnie Hood suggested 1-1,5g and i too believe that this is a good dosage level. In fact, i'd suggest to soak 1g in lemon juice and drink that after 20 minutes sans the mushrooms.

There is no need for a full DMT experience. A lot of people put DMT on a pedestal and suggest that you need to have years of meditation training and psychedelics and so forth. I don't think that this is a useful way to look at things. Do what feels right and be careful in your approach.

 

[Global]

I think DMT as a first psychedelic is a fine idea. As obliguhl mentioned, it's ideal in its time frame for a first timer. The hardships associated with the other classic psychedelics aren't really those that I would associate with DMT. Although I did take other psychedelics before DMT, I don't see them as necessary prerequisite stepping stones.

 

[universecannon]

dmt is fine, just start low and work your way up :thumb_up:

that said, i would still try and experience things like mushrooms, lsd, and aya as well- for obvious reasons

 

[ymer]

Well I can tell you that DMT was my first, I have no experience with other drugs including cannabis.

Start at 5mg, get used to it... go for 10mg etc etc

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I say go for broke, there's no sense in splashing around in the shallow end initially, imo, as there's no "getting acquainted" with DMT. It does what it does, always, and there's no predicting it, ime.

From another thread

When I was regularly dosing people, I always aimed for a breakthrough dose, regardless of pretty much everything, including psychedelic experience.

Out of dosing somewhere between 30-40 people I only had two people who had rough experiences. One of them was someone who, in hindsight, I knew I shouldn't have dosed (for a myriad of reasons), but did anyways at his insistence. After taking his first (fairly small) hit, he panicked and refused to take anymore, choosing instead to attempt to fight the trip the whole way through. Needless to say, he had a rough low dose experience.

The other person who I witnessed have a rough trip took a larger hit and held it in for longer than I've ever seen anyone hold a dose. After finally exhaling his dose, he lay down quietly on the bed for about one minute. Suddenly, his eyes snapped open and he began screaming and thrashing. I layed across him in an attempt to keep him from hurting himself/breaking things/trashing my room.

I was at least his weight if not bigger and was barely able to impede his actions. We wound up getting bucked onto the floor where he resumed screaming and milder thrashing for some minutes. I lay on top of him and spoke soothingly into his ear, trying to reassure him (if there was even a chance of him hearing) that everything was going to be ok and that he was safe. He soon quieted down and went slack, whereupon he went still and was gone for the next ~25 minutes. At around 30ish minutes or so into the experience, he opened his eyes, muttered incoherently and crawled onto the bed, where he curled up under some blankets and went still again.

He occasionally talked to himself or made sounds over the next 30-45 minutes before emerging from under the blanket and grinning uncertainly at me. He said thank you a number of times and stated that he had only a patchy memory of what had happened. He was shocked to hear the recounting of what had happened while he'd been elsewhere. He left in an awed and thankful manner, but it was certainly a very rough experience.

Everyone else that I dosed to breakthrough followed the same general pattern of taking their hit(s), leaning back/closing their eyes, and grinning for a long period of time, before sometimes occasionally opening their eyes/talking for a brief period and then closing their eyes/resuming the tail end of their experience and then coming down. The vast majority of people, including several individuals who had no prior psychedelic experience had beautiful and/or transcendental experiences.

 

[d*l*b]

One thing to take note of is that DMT is highly unpredictable in its effects. You make take a small dose and breakthrough (one of the reasons I don't believe in this start low idea), or you may see very little effect at all taking a large dose (my first few journeys I wondered what all the fuss is about).

As Snozz says above, if you are going to work with DMT you may as well dive in properly.

If you work with it it will blow you away at some point, it may as well be done now. If you don't like the idea of ending up at the extreme end of reality and all that that entails, please don't go near spice.

I don't see any reason that DMT shouldn't be your first psychedelic, but I do think the decision to make the jump should be made with caution.

 

[Baby Bonnie Hood]

...I suggest mushrooms thereafter. Baby Bonnie Hood suggested 1-1,5g and i too believe that this is a good dosage level. In fact, i'd suggest to soak 1g in lemon juice and drink that after 20 minutes sans the mushrooms.

...

Lemon juice sounds like a great way to consume mushrooms. I gotta try that sometime. Personally I mix it with yoghurt (not frozen) and just gulp it down. It's my favorite drug but I hate the taste

 

[obliguhl]

The lemon juice tea makes it more potent, by 1.5x in my experience, but also shorter. Search for "lemon tek" if you are not aquainted with this wonderful method of consuming mushrooms! I make lemonade and there is only a slight mushroom taste. Also, no stomach discomfort.

 

[Spiral Eye]

what do you think of someone doing DMT for there first psychedelic experience? exept weed.
i was thinking of just taking one big hit first and feeling it abit and maybe seeing some visuals, then next time taking 2 big hits and seeing some geometric paterns and stuff, and finaly going for 3 and trying to breakthrough.
how does this sound?

I wouldn't suggest DMT as a starting place, but I also believe you can decide for yourself if it is for you to experience right now.

Also, in my experience, it almost never comes out neatly like that (1 hit, light visuals; 2 hit, major visuals; 3 hits, "breakthrough" )... sometimes it comes full force on the first hit, sometimes it slowly builds up until the fifth hit.

Also, I wouldn't suggest "trying" to make anything happen, especially for your first few experiences, if and when you decide to do DMT. Trying to reach a certain point is counter-productive. If it doesn't meet your expectations, you end up dissatisfied, always wanting more. If it ends up being "too much" (i.e. beyond your expectations), it can be a really uncomfortable experience. Going in with the attitude of "whatever happens, happens because it needs to" is much more stable.

Personally, I don't really like the word "breakthrough", because it sets up expectations and implies a discrete point at which everything becomes different. I have found no such point, it's a continuum, it's all breakthroughs to varying degrees of intensity.

 

[Baby Bonnie Hood]

The lemon juice tea makes it more potent, by 1.5x in my experience, but also shorter. Search for "lemon tek" if you are not aquainted with this wonderful method of consuming mushrooms! I make lemonade and there is only a slight mushroom taste. Also, no stomach discomfort.

Oh cool! I did not know that - thanks for sharing!
I've heard stories of shrooms + citrus fruits but I thought they all were kinda "urban legend" in nature so I never thought much more about it.

 

[universecannon]

yea for many its probably best to just dive right in as opposed to starting with lower doses. I guess i'm just biased since i love low doses so much and find them incredibly useful

 

[d*l*b]

Low doses generally make me feel really bad. I usually experience high body load and no psychedelic effects, a shame really. I have, however, been caught out. In one case I cleared the pipe after my then gf had had and not finished off what was in the pipe. I think she had 20mg loaded originally. Woomph. Straight in. There was no predicting it. Usually it takes me 25–30mg to get any desirable effects at all.

When I say that you should just dive in and do a full dose, what this is obviously varies from person to person and also with different tools. It seems to me though that most people ingest what they need no matter what is loaded up. At some point I think most people start to reject taking in any more.

Whatever happens though, taking too much (unless you are psychologically unstable, then you should be wary of any dose at all) will not harm you as such. It may give you a shock, it may give you the scare of your life or it may even scare you off spice forever (in this case you probably aren't the person to be working with spice), it may leave you a bit imbalanced for some time. If you continue to work with spice you will experience these things at some point anyway.

If you don't like the possibility of feeling the greatest depths of fear possible I would advise against spice. It will happen at some point.

 

[SKA]

There was a time when I though there was a certain psychedelic that was best
for starters. I don't believe that anymore. Perhaps Ibogaine is a bad idea as
a first time psychedelic experience..But I wouldn't know. It's what I've heard.


But wether LSD, Mushrooms, DMT, Peyote or San Pedro, any of these could be a good
first timer, as long as the dose is humble enough. Low doses of mushrooms is very
managable, even if you're not a hardened Psychonaught. But in my experience so are
low doses of smoked DMT(in a joint). In low doses DMT can be very gentle. Very little
visuals, other than perhaps just some "static" and slight shifting of shades & contrast.
However in these low doses I've allways experienced a deeply calm, highly imaginative &
physically hyper aware; Very gentle, never threatening in any way. There is a very distinct
sensation of energy/chi streams flowing all through your body with these low doses of DMT.

I have shared joints with these low DMT doses with a friend who is quite inexperienced with
psychedelics (although not completely). He was very curious for but also fearfull of DMT.
With me he dared to try it, in these low doses, and found the experience very curious &
fascinating, but or than being very exited at feeling Chi streams, he was totally comfortable
with the experience.


So in low enough doses, even DMT, can be a very gentle first-time psychedelic experience.
Low enough doses & the presence of an encouraging, caretaking & guiding friend can make
it a very friendly & worthwhile introduction into the use of Psychedelics.

The same goes for LSD, Psilocin/Psilocybin or any Psychedelic that is relatively easy to Dose accurately.

 

[Baby Bonnie Hood]

You don't need any special "equipment" for eating mushrooms compared to smoking DMT. You need a bong to smoke it, and preferably a milligram scale in order to know what is a "low dose". It's easy to get too much DMT - it's hard to eyeball. Mushrooms are very easy to scale because all you need is a kitchen scale.

And yea: it's easier to acquire shrooms. DMT has a low popularity on the black market and is tackier to produce. Shrooms are super easy to cultivate!

 

[Enoon]

I suggest to always try a very low dose for the first time because:

a) this way you can see how your body responds to the substance, which is especially useful if you are not sure of the purity 100%. If you extracted yourself a low dose will give you some confidence in that you did everything correctly with your extraction, and that will help you to enjoy the higher dose later on. Otherwise when you take the higher dose without having tested it you might find yoursel wondering if what you just smoked was really *safe*...

b) you can get a glimpse at how your mind will be altered. Granted, you will not know what awaits you at the other side of the dmt door - you really never do, even if you've done it several times before - but you will have an idea of the type of change that occurs to your mind when ingesting psychedelics.

IMO a) is more important. A very low dose can be frustrating when you are expecting and wanting more, so when you do do a test-run with a threshold dose, take it as such, and don't expect to actually get effects that are worth while. If you do, hey, you got lucky.

Then investigate and determine a reasonable dose for your first actual exploration. This depends on the smoking device and your technique. With the right technique and a GVG you can get a breakthrough in one hit with as little as 30mg, though of course YMMV.

I see no problem with dmt as a first substance. Go for it. Be safe.

 

[qwer]

But in my experience so are low doses of smoked DMT(in a joint). In low doses DMT can be very gentle. Very little
visuals, other than perhaps just some "static" and slight shifting of shades & contrast.
However in these low doses I've allways experienced a deeply calm, highly imaginative &
physically hyper aware; Very gentle, never threatening in any way. There is a very distinct
sensation of energy/chi streams flowing all through your body with these low doses of DMT.

I have shared joints with these low DMT doses with a friend who is quite inexperienced with
psychedelics (although not completely). He was very curious for but also fearfull of DMT.
With me he dared to try it, in these low doses, and found the experience very curious &
fascinating, but or than being very exited at feeling Chi streams, he was totally comfortable
with the experience.


So in low enough doses, even DMT, can be a very gentle first-time psychedelic experience.
Low enough doses & the presence of an encouraging, caretaking & guiding friend can make
it a very friendly & worthwhile introduction into the use of Psychedelics.

The same goes for LSD, Psilocin/Psilocybin or any Psychedelic that is relatively easy to Dose accurately.

i thought if you smoked dmt in a joint it wouldnt work?