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dmt busts
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How do you know? I mean, Im also speculating, but I guess mimosa is more unknown than dried cactus. Moreover, dried cactus is illegal where I live , because it's a preperation with intent to consume.
I havn't heard of any, but I'm nott posting in mescaline related forums. I'd never hear anything about dmt busts wasn't it for this forum.
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Lessons I learned from reading the articles in this thread:
1) Don't sell.
2) Be careful of online orders for glassware/chemicals that have a meth association.
3) Don't allow anyone to see that you're doing extractions, or see the chemicals.
4) Store larger quantities (more than a gram, say) offsite. (Oh and, when moving storage-sized quantities, don't DRINK AND DRIVE!)
5) Don't be in a constant "extraction state." Get some serious extractions done, store the bulk offsite, and only have a small supply where you actually live.
6) Find GOOD stash sites in your house. I won't mention them here, but for small quantities you can be VERY creative.
7) Be a bit careful about how you dispose of garbage. You can toss an empty naptha can and emtpy NaOH container on the top of your garbage can on garbage night, OR, you could tape them up in a carboard box, and put the carboard box into a plastic bag with general household refuse...
The ultimate paranoid's (like me) plan:
1) Do all the extractions (of everything) you could imagine wanting.
2) Store bulk offsite.
3) Destroy and discard all relevant glassware and leftover chemicals.
4) Stash small quantities carefully at home.
5) Have mere residential-type steel doors, with breakdown-proof deadbolts and hinge protectors (cheap and easy)--no home invaders (of the "legal" OR "illegal" type) can break down your doors. Giving time to destroy/discard any small stash at home after a "knock on the door."
Lessons I learned from reading the articles in this thread:
1) Don't sell.
2) Be careful of online orders for glassware/chemicals that have a meth association.
3) Don't allow anyone to see that you're doing extractions, or see the chemicals.
4) Store larger quantities (more than a gram, say) offsite. (Oh and, when moving storage-sized quantities, don't DRINK AND DRIVE!)
5) Don't be in a constant "extraction state." Get some serious extractions done, store the bulk offsite, and only have a small supply where you actually live.
6) Find GOOD stash sites in your house. I won't mention them here, but for small quantities you can be VERY creative.
7) Be a bit careful about how you dispose of garbage. You can toss an empty naptha can and emtpy NaOH container on the top of your garbage can on garbage night, OR, you could tape them up in a carboard box, and put the carboard box into a plastic bag with general household refuse...
The ultimate paranoid's (like me) plan:
1) Do all the extractions (of everything) you could imagine wanting.
2) Store bulk offsite.
3) Destroy and discard all relevant glassware and leftover chemicals.
4) Stash small quantities carefully at home.
5) Have mere residential-type steel doors, with breakdown-proof deadbolts and hinge protectors (cheap and easy)--no home invaders (of the "legal" OR "illegal" type) can break down your doors. Giving time to destroy/discard any small stash at home after a "knock on the door."
deedle-doo
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69ron said:
Buying live mimosa is not a viable alternative. Trichocereus is a common garden plant and can easily be shipped live for gardening purposes.
I think that's the main difference.
That said, I agree that people should not worry about buying such a wonderful cactus fertilizer.
That's still quite worrying; it seems that plenty of people are lured by the easy money that can be made from selling dmt. Producing a few grams is very easy and there are plenty of people willing to invest a few hours of extraction work per week to earn some easy 1000 bucks.
Let's hope the trend will fade away soon.
69ron
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obliguhl said:
There have been no cases in the US of anyone ever getting busted for buying dried trichocereus ever. It's not illegal and not considered a "preparation" unless sold for ingestion. It's just dead plant matter. It's not anymore of a preparation than pieces of dead mimosa are. At least that's how it is in the US. Plus DMT is MUCH MORE POPULAR than mescaline has ever been in the US. In the US mimosa is in the news far more than Trichocereus ever is. Far more. Plus several cases have been brought to court concerning the importation of mimosa, but NONE for Trichocereus cactus EVER. None. So maybe where you are it’s a concern but not in the US.
Drake
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I am probably one of the more paranoid peoples here. i feel rather uneasy posting without stating myself as "SWIM". But its so true that it won't do crap all if they investigate you.
I worry more about a "sniffer" dog... Maybe a thread should be made on sure ways to hide the smell of DMT... Maybe Sniffer dogs have not been trained to find DMT? I bet they are though.
Now if you DO worry, think about getting one of these items! I am really thinking about trying them all out! The only problem is a sniffer dog!
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/a619/ - Problem if police rip apart the whole house. And sniffer dogs might find it for sure.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/855d/ - This one if by far the best. But you might want to find out how to install it.
Oh and I found these really cool EyeClops Night Vision Goggles... Completely unrelated... but so what! Maybe there are better goggles of these you can buy for all I know. Let me know if there are!
I worry more about a "sniffer" dog... Maybe a thread should be made on sure ways to hide the smell of DMT... Maybe Sniffer dogs have not been trained to find DMT? I bet they are though.
Now if you DO worry, think about getting one of these items! I am really thinking about trying them all out! The only problem is a sniffer dog!
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/a619/ - Problem if police rip apart the whole house. And sniffer dogs might find it for sure.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/855d/ - This one if by far the best. But you might want to find out how to install it.
Oh and I found these really cool EyeClops Night Vision Goggles... Completely unrelated... but so what! Maybe there are better goggles of these you can buy for all I know. Let me know if there are!
970Codfert
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Do any suppliers carry mimosa seeds? How plausible is it to grow and harvest your own root bark?
What a terrifyingly insane, and completely unfounded statement.
What a terrifyingly insane, and completely unfounded statement.
Drake said:
a) I REALLY doubt that drug dogs are trained for DMT
MJ, Heroin, and Cocaine more likely.b) Dogs never STOP cops from searching. Typically, if the cop working the dog wants to DECLARE that the dog responded, then he will--and search himself where he thinks anything is found. This is WELL KNOWN in roadside stops, for example. In the US, they can't search a locked trunk, for example, without reasonable cause--like a reaction from a drug-dog. SO, if they WANT to search your trunk enough that they BRING OUT a dog....you can be sure the handler is going to claim the dog made a response (or, they can also have a scent bag in their pocket and then touch their hand to it and then the trunk--and the dog's reaction will be genuine). NEVER trust cops to be honest and legal! NEVER agree to a search by cops (i.e., NEVER let them into your home--even to talk...talk to them on your porch if you MUST--simply don't answer the door if you can). NEVER make a statement to cops about ANYTHING.
You might be right 69ron. Where I live, Salvia Divinorum was made illegal on no legal grounds a year ago. They do everything they want and seem to LOVE raiding homes without much reason.
alientrance
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The more careful you are in regards to the spice the better; for instance I do my pulls only in a warehouse or shop and never at my own home location.
kemist said:
Yeah, I know what you mean. Doing extractions is really compelling and fascinating to me, too. Just think of lab classes that you HATED--and now I'm suddenly fascinated by chemistry and want to "be in the lab" again
Drake said:
Really? When training dogs the police train them on the big import drugs, heroin, cocaine, mj, and of course the US produced methampetamine. I doubt they will be training them to spot a very uncommon, bottom of the watch list, super small sub-drug culture drug.
Seriously. I've read in my lifetime of 4 DMT busts, and all of them were because of other drugs, or reckless behavior. Never have I seen them bust a DMT extraction they knew was a DMT extraction. They bust them because they think it is a meth lab, or because of massive dealing (with DMT just being one of many items for sale).
I doubt there are many, if any, drug dogs that are trained to sniff out tryptamines.
69ron
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Law enforcement is not interested in DMT at all. No one is. The last DMT bust in the US, which we all saw on this site, was believed to be a meth lab, not a DMT lab. I’m sure the police were actually disappointed to find it wasn’t a meth lab, but still had to make it look like the bust was a good thing to the public.
I’ve known police who will look the other way when they find acid, shrooms, etc., but the same police will lock you up if you have meth or cocaine. They know which drugs are the problematic drugs and which ones aren’t because they deal with freaked out cocaine and meth addicts all the time so they know how bad those drugs can be.
Keep in mind that the police are just doing their job and are actively looking for meth labs. Many people are mad about meth because it’s ruined so many lives. I’ve seen it destroy 2 people close to me. It’s a horrible drug of abuse. It’s spreading all over the place like a disease and no one likes seeing it in their neighborhood so they will report suspicious activity to the police.
If law enforcement was interested in getting people for DMT, all the places that sell mimosa on-line would be shut down. That’s the source of the DMT and they all know it. They just don’t care because DMT is not a problem. The police don’t arrest people freaking out of DMT. They never see people on DMT as a problem. They arrest dunks, people on meth, people on cocaine, etc., all the time because of reckless behavior, but they never arrest people high on DMT. There are no DMT addicts and the police know it. Most of the people who use DMT are good people who aren’t causing any problems in society.
I’ve known police who will look the other way when they find acid, shrooms, etc., but the same police will lock you up if you have meth or cocaine. They know which drugs are the problematic drugs and which ones aren’t because they deal with freaked out cocaine and meth addicts all the time so they know how bad those drugs can be.
Keep in mind that the police are just doing their job and are actively looking for meth labs. Many people are mad about meth because it’s ruined so many lives. I’ve seen it destroy 2 people close to me. It’s a horrible drug of abuse. It’s spreading all over the place like a disease and no one likes seeing it in their neighborhood so they will report suspicious activity to the police.
If law enforcement was interested in getting people for DMT, all the places that sell mimosa on-line would be shut down. That’s the source of the DMT and they all know it. They just don’t care because DMT is not a problem. The police don’t arrest people freaking out of DMT. They never see people on DMT as a problem. They arrest dunks, people on meth, people on cocaine, etc., all the time because of reckless behavior, but they never arrest people high on DMT. There are no DMT addicts and the police know it. Most of the people who use DMT are good people who aren’t causing any problems in society.