DMT community in AUSTRIA?

[Spirit_Dan]

Hi!

I am from Austria and I am highly interested in taking 5 Meo DMT (the Bufo DMT or its synthetic replication).
But I have never taken drugs and I have no contact to people who take or sell drugs. So I dont know where I could get 5 Meo DMT from.
I dont want to leave the country to take it. Can anyone give me a hint where I could get 5 Meo DMT from or find the right people?

Are people from AUSTRIA in this forum who have experience with DMT? I would be very pleased if you could send me a PM as I would like to get in touch with people from my area.

 

[Nydex]

Hello, @Spirit_Dan,

Welcome to the Nexus, and to the wonderful journey of discovery and transformation opened by way of the psychedelic experience.

It's good that you want to work with 5-MeO-DMT, from what I've heard, it's amazing in more ways than one.

I wanted to kindly remind you to go over our Attitude Page where you will find a few important points, one of which is No discussion on selling, buying, sourcing, acquiring, pricing, trading, receiving, distributing, mentioning pending deliveries or smuggling of drugs.

To make the most out of your interaction with our community, I'd strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with the attitude page.

Best of luck on your journey!

 

[Spirit_Dan]

s No discussion on selling, buying, sourcing, acquiring, pricing, trading, receiving, distributing, mentioning pending deliveries or smuggling of drugs.

Rule 2.10 says:

• 2.10 No commercial-scaled extractions and reckless “spreading”

Does thois mean it is allowed to write about DMT synthesis in a non-commercial scale?

It's good that you want to work with 5-MeO-DMT,
[But:]
No discussion on selling, buying, sourcing, acquiring,

It is diffcult to talk about ones DMT experenice when you dont find access to DMT in the first place.

 

[Nydex]

Does thois mean it is allowed to write about DMT synthesis in a non-commercial scale?

Yes, it is allowed to discuss extraction and synthesis on a non-commercial scale, meaning amounts that one would be able to consume in a responsible manner before the substance in question loses potency due to oxidation and other environmental/storage method factors.

It is diffcult to talk about ones DMT experenice when you dont find access to DMT in the first place.

I understand that, but you have to understand that this rule is in place for a good reason. Disobeying it puts this community at legal risk, and we don't want to jeopardize the absolutely monumental amount of quality information and research that has been accumulated here over the years.

For that reason, the community also provides ample opportunity for curious people like yourself to learn how to extract DMT in a responsible and sustainable way. Besides, most knowledgeable people around here will strongly discourage the consumption of a substance you haven't extracted or synthesized yourself for obvious reasons.

 

[The Traveler]

It is diffcult to talk about ones DMT experenice when you dont find access to DMT in the first place.

It's actually quite easy: you either extract it or have it (for when you have other questions like how to vape about it).


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Spirit_Dan]

I understand that, but you have to understand that this rule is in place for a good reason. Disobeying it puts this community at legal risk, and we don't want to jeopardize the absolutely monumental amount of quality information and research that has been accumulated here over the years.

Okay, that makes sense.

It's actually quite easy: you either extract it or have it.

What do you mean with "have it"?

I dont have it! And I'm not allowed to discuss how to buy it.
And I can't extract it without buying plant material that contains DMT, because this material is illegal in Austria; and because the purchase is not allowed to be discussed in this forum again.
Do you understand the problem?

 

[Varallo]

Yes we understand the problem, but that’s how it is, it’s up too your own ingenuity to solve this little issue. Anyway welcome to the nexus, this place has all the information you could ever dream about on dmt and its use. That is of course when you have it then all will become clear.
Good luck with your quest.

 

[Bas Sarkin]

About 'normal' dmt:

I can't extract it without buying plant material that contains DMT, because this material is illegal in Austria; and because the purchase is not allowed to be discussed in this forum again.

You should double check, but I think buying for example Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark is not illegal in the eu, including Austria. A lot of plants contain dmt, you yourself contain dmt. As long as its not extracted out, its legal. The root bark itself is not listed as illegal (as far as I know). Its widely used as pigment to colour textiles.

Search term:

Austria law mimosa hostilis root bark

Result:

Based on the available information, Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark is legal in Austria, as it is not a controlled substance under Austrian law. The plant itself, including its bark, leaves, and flowers, is not prohibited or regulated.

Key Points:

• Austria does not have specific laws or regulations governing Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark, unlike some derivatives of the plant which may be banned.
• The tree and its parts, including the root bark, are not considered controlled substances or drugs under Austrian law.
• This means that individuals can legally purchase, possess, and use Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark in Austria for cosmetic, medical, or other purposes.

Note: It is essential to ensure compliance with any local regulations or permits required for cultivation, trade, or use of the plant in Austria. Additionally, buyers should verify the authenticity and quality of the products with suppliers, particularly when purchasing from international sources.

No Conflicts or Contradictions: The search results do not indicate any conflicts or contradictions regarding the legal status of Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark in Austria. The information suggests a clear legal framework, with no restrictions on the plant or its parts.

So you should be safe if you buy some 'pigment'. But double check it yourself just to be sure.

Buying (or selling) dmt is, on the other hand, highly illegal. Most dmt users frown upon people who sell it, and will give it away for free to friends. Its a pity that the forum cannot allow people to connect via this forum, its just too risky, anyone can be a potential undercover, or the forum might be taken down...

If all else fail, you could always resort to growing some dmt containing plants yourself. There are plenty.

Edited by Moderator: Please avoid discussion of buying and selling on the forum.

 

[The Traveler]

What do you mean with "have it"?

I dont have it! And I'm not allowed to discuss how to buy it.
And I can't extract it without buying plant material that contains DMT, because this material is illegal in Austria; and because the purchase is not allowed to be discussed in this forum again.
Do you understand the problem?

I fully understand your problem, but do you also fully understand what will happen to this site and me personally when this forum is turned into a distribution network?

And stating you 'have it' is the smart way to state you have something without ever mentioning how you got it. After that we can do the harm reduction stuff, and hopefully get you on a safe journey.


My advice to you: check which local Acacia trees contains DMT, and then use the phyllodes from those trees for your DMT extraction, that way you keep it sustainable by not permanently damaging the trees.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Spirit_Dan]

About 'normal' dmt:

You should double check, but I think buying for example Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark is not illegal in the eu, including Austria. A lot of plants contain dmt, you yourself contain dmt. As long as its not extracted out, its legal. The root bark itself is not listed as illegal (as far as I know). Its widely used as pigment to colour textiles.

Search term:

Result:


So you should be safe if you buy some 'pigment'. But double check it yourself just to be sure.

Buying (or selling) dmt is, on the other hand, highly illegal. Most dmt users frown upon people who sell it, and will give it away for free to friends. Its a pity that the forum cannot allow people to connect via this forum, its just too risky, anyone can be a potential undercover, or the forum might be taken down...

If all else fail, you could always resort to growing some dmt containing plants yourself. There are plenty.

Thanks! That makes sense.
I didn't think about extracting so far because I wanted at most pure 5MeoDMT, which may be achieved just by syntization.

I don't know much about the legal situaton regarding discussing DMT, for the reason alone that it is different in many countries.

Nydex said above

it is allowed to discuss extraction and synthesis on a non-commercial scale,

Is it legal to discuss DMT synthesis in general or just "allowed" in this forum? The instructions of syntization which you can find with google, some of which are scientific papers, are these published legal and can they be distributed and discussed legally? If yes, I really would like to know if there is an easiert to understand instruction, than the one which is posted in this forum at

Synthesis and Characterization of 5-MeO-DMT Succinate for Clinical Use

To support clinical use, a multigram-scale process has been developed to provide 5-MeO-DMT, a psychedelic natural product found in the parotid gland secretions of the toad, Incilius alvarius. Several synthetic routes were initially explored, and the selected process featured an optimized Fischer...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

There is one video on Youtube (published by Vice) but without real instruction

 

[Nydex]

Is it legal to discuss DMT synthesis in general or just "allowed" in this forum?

To make discussion on a scientific topic illegal would be equivalent to take the right of free speech from someone, so for all intents and purposes, you can consider discussions of that type both legal and allowed on this forum, as long as they're kept in the aforementioned boundaries in terms of scale, safety and intent.

 

[Varallo]

I think synthesis wil always need chemicals that are not safe to use for the average amateur, so I’m not sure if this synthesis talk is such an good idea. Are there any specific outlines on what is safe enough? Formaldehyde ? or sodium borohydride? to name some examples.

 

[The Traveler]

DMT synthesis that uses watched or dangerous chemicals (like the ones that have the potential to instantly kill you or maime you for the rest of your life) are strictly forbidden on the DMT-Nexus.

People with little practical chemistry experience will be flabbergasted by the speed of a logarithmic exothermic reaction for example. It's extremely dangerous when stuff like that happens, and in that flabbergasted state, with a poof your home and life are gone.

I also see that you are looking for 5-MeO-DMT, check out the many new gras testing results (use the search function).

Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Spirit_Dan]

DMT synthesis that uses watched or dangerous chemicals ... are strictly forbidden on the DMT-Nexus.

I assume you mean "the discussion of" synthesis that uses watched or dangerous chemicals is strictly forbidden on the DMT-Nexus.

Okay, what are the ways of synthesis without watched or dangerous chemicals?



You yourself posted the said articel in another thread. Does this article not fall in the category of synthesis that uses watched or dangerous chemicals?

I also see that you are looking for 5-MeO-DMT, check out the many new gras testing results (use the search function).

I don't understand. By 'gras,' cannabis is usually meant. I don't know if it's true but, ChatGPT says: Hashish does not contain DMT.

 

[Spirit_Dan]

To make discussion on a scientific topic illegal would be equivalent to take the right of free speech from someone,

This is true. But some would argue the right of free speech is taken from us anyway as long as we are not allowed to discuss everything we want to; which is oviously not the case.

 

[Spirit_Dan]

I think synthesis wil always need chemicals that are not safe to use for the average amateur, so I’m not sure if this synthesis talk is such an good idea. Are there any specific outlines on what is safe enough? Formaldehyde ? or sodium borohydride? to name some examples.

you would need a good and detailed instruction

 

[Bas Sarkin]

I don't understand. By 'gras,' cannabis is usually meant. I don't know if it's true but, ChatGPT says: Hashish does not contain DMT.

I think he means literal grass, like Phalaris. I tried to search 'gras test results' with the forum search and found nothing, but when I tried 'grass test results' this came up.

 

[Varallo]

I assume you mean "the discussion of" synthesis that uses watched or dangerous chemicals is strictly forbidden on the DMT-Nexus.

Okay, what are the ways of synthesis without watched or dangerous chemicals?

There are none, so to be clear the synthesis of NN dmt and 5meo dmt is not possible without dangerous/watched chemicals so discussion of methods is not possible.

 

[Spirit_Dan]

According chatGPT the following plants contain DMT (percentage in brackets)

1. Mimosa hostilis (Mimosa tenuiflora)
   
   • Roots: Up to 2% DMT
2. Psychotria viridis
   
   • Leaves: About 0.1% to 0.3% DMT
3. Diplopterys cabrerana
   
   • Leaves: Up to 0.2% DMT
4. Acacia confusa
   
   • Bark: About 1% DMT
   • Roots: About 1% DMT
5. Acacia acuminata
   
   • Bark: Up to 1.5% DMT
6. Acacia simplex
   
   • Leaves: About 0.5% DMT
7. Virola spp. (Virola theiodora, Virola calophylla)
   
   • Resin: Up to 2% DMT
8. Desmodium gangeticum
   
   • Whole plant: Up to 0.1% DMT
9. Phalaris aquatica (Harding Grass)
   
   • Leaves: About 0.01% to 0.04% DMT
10. Acacia maidenii
    
    • Bark: About 0.5% to 1% DMT

What wounders me is that Mimosa hostilis (2%) has 10 times more than
Psychotria viridis (0.3%), although usually Psychotria viridis is used for Ayahuasca.
On the other side, only the roots of Mimosa hostilis contain high DMT. Is this part of the reason, why Psychotria viridis is used? What is easier to harness?

Phalaris aquatica has only 0.01%.

 

[Spirit_Dan]

I also searched for local Acacia trees containing DMT, but in Austria ther are none. According chatGPT, ther are literally no local plants in Austria that contain notewothy amounts of DMT.