Dmt feeling like eternity vs feeling like reality...?

[MojoJ0J0]

I've recently acquired some dmt from a friend. I've done it a few times in the past but never enough to break through, I always chicken out when I start to get that feeling of being torn from my body and existence.. I really want to get to that other realm and meet the machine elves and see if they can give me insight into my life. I want to go into it this time with the mindset of letting go and surrendering to the experience, however, when looking through reddit and reading other peoples experiences I found a few people that described trips that I'm not sure I would be able to handle..

The first trip some describe is feeling like you're somewhere for weeks, months, years or even eternity. It seems like a dmt trip can range from being like your outside of time itself to feeling like time very much exists and it feels like you're there forever.. I LIKE being in reality. One of the thing that turns me on to trying dmt is how short its suppose to be and to the point, I'm not sure if i could handle feeling trapped somewhere for that long..

The second trip (and by far the scariest trip I've read about) is taking the hit then nothing that profound happens, you live your life normally for a few days, weeks, years THEN all of a sudden (either by another dmt trip) or just randomly you're shot back to the bed you smoked dmt on and THAT was the trip. Reality was clear as day but you were tripping. Even reading about those experiences makes me terrified that I'm tripping NOW. like i said the dmt I tried before didn't make me break through, but what if it did and this is it?? That not knowing if I'm in reality scares the shit out of me, and I'm afraid that especially with that fear in mind that the dmt will give me that experience making me confront the fear..

My question to all of you is this, how many people experienced either of these types of trips? How likely is it that I will vs the typical 5-10 minute feeling blast to the center of the universe and back?

I dont think I could handle being stuck somewhere or not knowing if reality is real or if I'm tripping, one of the reasons I've never done salvia which I've heard is notorious for these sort of experiences... advice guys??

 

[FranLover]

Hahahaha yeah thats not how dmt works its really hard to explain what it is cause there is nothing quite like it, but those things will most surley not happen and not in the way you imagine.

 

[MojoJ0J0]

Oh my gosh.. GOOD... it was only a couple people I found after scouring the internet's vast amount of trip reports that said something like that happened to them, but I called my brother today who's done dmt a lot and he laughed just like you, saying "no way bro. Those people are full of shit." How can I best prepare myself for such an intense experience though as someone who has a predisposition to panick attacks? I want to work though my anxieties, most of it comes from existential dream from doing so much shrooms and lsd in my life and having this realization that I'm here instead of anywhere else and that life could be JUST me , that I cant validate anyone one else's existence but my own and that I could just be dreaming or in a simulation, like an extreme hyper awareness. Do you think dmt might exacerbate this feeling or help me come to terms with it more?

 

[twitchy]

Might not be a popular opinion or one you want to hear, but if you are prone to panic attacks, honestly DMT might not be the best substance to be experimenting with. If you decide to proceed anyway, an oral ROA would be a gentler come up, although the trade off for that is a much longer experience. Either way, you should probably put some serious thought into the decision and if you do proceed get yourself a trusted and experienced sitter who you trust implicitly and can handle a panic situation properly.

It really isn't for everyone, and there's no shame in knowing your personal limits. There's people in the world who enjoy skydiving and cliff jumping, and there's others who are terrified of heights, it's ok to be either, if that makes any sense. You can read all the experiences and trip reports in the world, and they do help give one an idea of what to expect in a very general sense, but they aren't going to prepare you for the subjective and introspective intensity... there's a reason the experience is known as being ineffable. You are the one that has to decide, and you're the only one that truly knows your limitations as well as the implications of exceeding those limits, so make sure your decision to partake, or not, reflects this honestly and you'll be on the right path either way.

 

[FranLover]

Oh my gosh.. GOOD... it was only a couple people I found after scouring the internet's vast amount of trip reports that said something like that happened to them, but I called my brother today who's done dmt a lot and he laughed just like you, saying "no way bro. Those people are full of shit." How can I best prepare myself for such an intense experience though as someone who has a predisposition to panick attacks? I want to work though my anxieties, most of it comes from existential dream from doing so much shrooms and lsd in my life and having this realization that I'm here instead of anywhere else and that life could be JUST me , that I cant validate anyone one else's existence but my own and that I could just be dreaming or in a simulation, like an extreme hyper awareness. Do you think dmt might exacerbate this feeling or help me come to terms with it more?

If one has a problem caused by psychedelics its quite obvious more psychedelics wont solve it.

The root of one's panic attacks is one's restless nature. One needs to obtain peace and silence of the mind more than experince dmt. Knowledge must bring understanding and liberation, not stress or anxiety. If mushrooms and lsd didnt have the desired effects I think Dmt wont either...it is just more of the same...

 

[MojoJ0J0]

I totally understand what both of you guys are saying. I guess the thing is though, I use to never have a problem with fear and reality. I had social anxiety and panic attacks from public speaking, but lsd and shrooms always gave me beautiful trips. Then I abused mdma for about a year and after that my shroom and lsd trips became way more intense and I started having that existential dread/panic. You hear a lot from people that "there's no such thing as a bad trip, only challenging ones," but then some people like you guys are saying if I'm predisposition to fear and anxiety psychedelics wont make it any better. I guess I'm not sure what to believe, part of me thinks that the existential dread/panic is something psychedelics showed me was in me all along and it's something I need to work through and learn to overcome, where one or 2 trips might make me see my fear differently and push me in the right direction to acceptance, and the other part is what you guys are saying which is that maybe I just cant handle it.. I feel like I started something I cant finish, I dont like feeling defeated and feeling like I just wouldn't be able to handle seeing life really for what it is (the reminder all psychedelics give you)..how can I discern between something that's a lesson to overcome or a brick wall I shouldn't bother to climb?

 

[FranLover]

I totally understand what both of you guys are saying. I guess the thing is though, I use to never have a problem with fear and reality. I had social anxiety and panic attacks from public speaking, but lsd and shrooms always gave me beautiful trips. Then I abused mdma for about a year and after that my shroom and lsd trips became way more intense and I started having that existential dread/panic. You hear a lot from people that "there's no such thing as a bad trip, only challenging ones," but then some people like you guys are saying if I'm predisposition to fear and anxiety psychedelics wont make it any better. I guess I'm not sure what to believe, part of me thinks that the existential dread/panic is something psychedelics showed me was in me all along and it's something I need to work through and learn to overcome, where one or 2 trips might make me see my fear differently and push me in the right direction to acceptance, and the other part is what you guys are saying which is that maybe I just cant handle it.. I feel like I started something I cant finish, I dont like feeling defeated and feeling like I just wouldn't be able to handle seeing life really for what it is (the reminder all psychedelics give you)..how can I discern between something that's a lesson to overcome or a brick wall I shouldn't bother to climb?

Just overcome this psychological burden you have. Why is that so impossible and out of reach that one need use psychedelics to solve it? Wouldnt it be better to free yourself by yourself, relying on nothing and no one, seriously inquiring into the root of the problem? I personally think dmt cant solve the problem at all. In fact it sounds like escapism. Why cant we rely only ourselves ? This is our lives we are talking about. Why cant we see life for what it is? Dont try to solve it. Dont create thought problems. Just inquire into what is life really?

...what is one afraid of? What is one anxious about?

 

[MojoJ0J0]

I see what you're saying , and I agree. It would be way better to accomplish this on my own, and in a way I have. My last shroom trip brought out that panic in me and it wasnt till weeks latter that I started to come to terms with it and understand why I was panicking at the root of it all. I am still AFRAID that doing shrooms again or dmt might bring out the fear again, but I can honestly say I have overcome a lot of it, not all of it, but mostly on my own after the trip had concluded weeks later. Like it shed light on something I need to work on. Tripping always helps me find the source of my issues, so I guess I want to do dmt to see if I really have conquered my fear and am able to surrender completely, if that makes sense. What I'm saying is psycadelics have helped me a lot in the past but then "fear of myself existing" became this burden I felt I needed to work through, and when you take a psychedelic it exaggerates your feelings and especially with this because I tend to have ego deaths. I have been learning and growing with the use of psycadelics in the past but came to to this wall where it's almost a paradox where I dont want to be afraid of existing and either way exist (on psycadelics or not) so in theory doing something scary should help me conquer this discomfort and fear right? Yet a lot of people suggest people with anxiety shouldn't do psychedelics at all.. what does it come down to? Being able to help yourself or not? What sort of things cant psycadelics help you overcome and when is it inappropriate to use them for help? Btw, its definitely not escapism, it's the exact opposite, I want to be so confronted with my existence that I'm comfortable with it. The feeling that psycadelics would make my anxiety worse just seems like it goes against the idea that psycadelics can help you conquer your demons.

 

[FranLover]

One thinks they can help when one has correct view. Its not something to enter into lightly as you know and so a strategic way to go about it is to not enter in a weak position, but to have all possible lines of defense deployed. The first line of defense is one's peace of mind before entering these deep and turbulent waters.

Psychedelics are not the only tool to face one's fears by a long shot.

One didnt mean what is one afraid of as in being afraid of this or that happening im the trip, but rather what is the fear that permeates through life that makes one anxious? Existential dread? Uncover this and one can reach peace through understanding just like when using psychedelics but having more clarity since one is sober.

It may be as simple as remembering how to breathe deeply again. It may be as simple as cleansing the mind.

 

[MojoJ0J0]

Thank you for this. I think that's great advice, go in with all defenses deployed. And I agree that you can just as easy find the root of the problem without psycadelics and even have a clearer mind. thank you for helping me! I think what I'll do is try to work through this fully before do any more psycadelics. I just want to make sure I'm making the right decision when it comes to bettering my mental health.