I was wondering if having no prior experience with any drugs other than weed, and opiates, would it be a bad idea to try DMT, I have had chances to try mushrooms or LSD, but I don’t know, DMT seems to be the only one that really piques my interest. I get uncomfortable with the idea of committing to 8 or 12 hours, and the experience doesn't seem as interesting to me. I want to experience what everyone on here is always talking about.
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DMT for first psychedlic?
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HumbleTraveler
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I personally have had ZERO experience with any other substance and came into this as a totally blank slate myself. I don't even drink alcohol just to show you how little experience with ANY other substances I actually have lol. No cigarettes, no weed. Nothing.
In the stories I have heard from friends who explain to me what they experience on shrooms or acid is that reality as you are used to and as you know it transforms. Objects warp and bend, and yes there are intense visuals present from the environment that youre in. On these substances, you're still present 'here'. As of now, like you, that has no real appeal to me. And I dont want to be melting for 8-16 hours or however long it may be lol.
DMT is a key to unlock a door. It will remove you from this world and transport you to a realm that you cannot imagine. So, despite having no experience with anything else, you don't need experience with other substances because they will simply not be able to prepare you for what DMT does and where it will take you or the feelings you will experience. With that said, just go about it properly. Dont aim for a breakthru, keep your dosages LOW initially, and you will be rewarded greatly.
In the stories I have heard from friends who explain to me what they experience on shrooms or acid is that reality as you are used to and as you know it transforms. Objects warp and bend, and yes there are intense visuals present from the environment that youre in. On these substances, you're still present 'here'. As of now, like you, that has no real appeal to me. And I dont want to be melting for 8-16 hours or however long it may be lol.
DMT is a key to unlock a door. It will remove you from this world and transport you to a realm that you cannot imagine. So, despite having no experience with anything else, you don't need experience with other substances because they will simply not be able to prepare you for what DMT does and where it will take you or the feelings you will experience. With that said, just go about it properly. Dont aim for a breakthru, keep your dosages LOW initially, and you will be rewarded greatly.
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Believe me, these longer lasting psychedelics are veeeeerry far from being uninteresting. Still, i can really sympathize with the idea of trying a shorter acting psychedelic first. Mushrooms only last around 4 hours (with lemon tek) and ayahuasca is even shorter lived if drinking a lower dose, DMT is a good "key" like humbleTraveler has said.
You're asking a very common question, so search around to find more opinions. I would say that it's an excellent choice for a first psychedelic if you plan on taking it slowly.
DreaMTripper
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I dont see why not so long as you are in a relaxed and positive state of mind and in a safe environment. It maybe the most profound and powerful yet to me it feels cleanest and clearest.
I did have mushrooms, LSD and salvia under my belt, so I'm not gonna lie, it was probably some good mental preparation, but DMT (especially for the first year or so) really treated me so much more positively than any of the others. It's a completely different experience. Even though I had a few years of prior psychedelic experience (really started getting into everything a bit more when I finally started smoking DMT), I always feel somewhat comfortable in answering this question (as it has been asked here quite a lot) in saying that I think that DMT as a first psychedelic can be a perfectly good idea. I say the other psychs "prepared" me, but it should be made rather clear that nothing can really prepare you for DMT - not when you administer it properly anyway. The purity, conciseness, multidimensionality, naturalness of the most bizarre experience on Earth is nothing that one can attempt to understand in the slightest without doing it (DMT). I always find it kinda strange how the longer acting psychs seem to react with me in a more unnatural way. It's like "yes I may be having these complex hallucinations, but it almost feels like it's taking a toll on my body and energy." In the case of DMT, hallucinations that are leagues more detailed, powerful and intense than the other hallucinations of the strangest things from alien technology to ancient civilizations and so on, but everything feels natural like things are as they should be. I've got my eyes closed, but it seems like they're open...just somewhere else. There is no toll that's really taken on me for beholding completely immersive visions.
Prior to my first DMT breakthrough, I had only relatively small experience with psychedelics (low dose of Mushrooms, low dose of chewed Salvia). Was it a good idea to go for a "full" DMT dose with such a little prior experience? Frankly, I don´t know... But there definitely was a period (lasting for a few weeks after my first DMT breakthrough) when I thought that I probably should have waited bit longer till I was "more ready"...
But then...can one really be "ready" for that? What would the "readiness" mean here - to be ready that anything beyond our wildest imagination can happen literally anytime?
But then...can one really be "ready" for that? What would the "readiness" mean here - to be ready that anything beyond our wildest imagination can happen literally anytime?
as someone who had only tried shrooms twice and salvia once (smoke cigarettes and weed all the time lol:d ) SWIM probably was not prepared for the first DMT experience. however having a very low dose and only one hit made SWIM feel almost as if they were high but just... more like they knew everything was going to be ok!
after some time and trying hard to track more DMT down SWIM had some with their friend and shaman who was much more helpful with the experience. and while the first time was not anything to really write home about, it (DMT) prepared SWIM to be more relaxed and open when trying it again.
that first nervous hit isn't going to be a breakthrough (most likely) if your not ready for it. SWIM thinks that when your ready for the spice the spice will find you and only give you as much knowledge and/or visuals as you are ready for.
so to sum up your question: NO it's not a bad idea to try DMT just be mindful that it might not be all you've been waiting for on the first go around and always remember to be safe and responsible while using the sacred spice!:lol:
after some time and trying hard to track more DMT down SWIM had some with their friend and shaman who was much more helpful with the experience. and while the first time was not anything to really write home about, it (DMT) prepared SWIM to be more relaxed and open when trying it again.
that first nervous hit isn't going to be a breakthrough (most likely) if your not ready for it. SWIM thinks that when your ready for the spice the spice will find you and only give you as much knowledge and/or visuals as you are ready for.
so to sum up your question: NO it's not a bad idea to try DMT just be mindful that it might not be all you've been waiting for on the first go around and always remember to be safe and responsible while using the sacred spice!:lol:
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It appears i've had the same question once.,..
My take:
anxiety causing:
LSD and Mushrooms
difficult:
Ayahuasca
psychologically safe, physically not if you have hart problem:
full flood Ibogaine
I will start with Ibogine, it gives you total flush of mind demons, and it is safe, no emotional reaction, it is just like flipping channels on TV.
Then I would do Aya, and lastly the LSD, most dangerous since it can cause terrible panic and "bad trips".
High doses are better since they shut down the left side of the brain ( this is my take) low doses are actually "complicated", and not very healing. It is not like alcohol.
Jox
anxiety causing:
LSD and Mushrooms
difficult:
Ayahuasca
psychologically safe, physically not if you have hart problem:
full flood Ibogaine
I will start with Ibogine, it gives you total flush of mind demons, and it is safe, no emotional reaction, it is just like flipping channels on TV.
Then I would do Aya, and lastly the LSD, most dangerous since it can cause terrible panic and "bad trips".
High doses are better since they shut down the left side of the brain ( this is my take) low doses are actually "complicated", and not very healing. It is not like alcohol.
Jox
I had a lifetime of hash n skunk and a few years of E's.
Trip wise , i'd had 2 LSD trips and 1 ketamine experience. I didnt like the LSD or Ketamine one bit.
I took 3 years away from drugs , including tobacco and caffeine.
Then i found out about DMT, thank you Gaspar Noe.
I love DMT, its not a drug to me and its given me the most interesting chapter in my life so far:thumb_up:
If DMT is a drug? then its the only one thats good for you, in my opinion.
Trip wise , i'd had 2 LSD trips and 1 ketamine experience. I didnt like the LSD or Ketamine one bit.
I took 3 years away from drugs , including tobacco and caffeine.
Then i found out about DMT, thank you Gaspar Noe.
I love DMT, its not a drug to me and its given me the most interesting chapter in my life so far:thumb_up:
If DMT is a drug? then its the only one thats good for you, in my opinion.
HumbleTraveler
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I personally enjoy hearing the experiences of people who have had prior experience with other substances, and then say they tried DMT and really appreciate the ride it provides, and really do not like the other substances in comparison. A friend has been trying to get me to take 25i with him (research chemical similar to LSD), which he says he absolutely loves and its been great. I dont like the sound though of synthetics at all.
It makes me more grounded in my decision to not have any desire to try anything else based off others experiences. The only thing I may try in a few months is mescaline (with my 25i friend), just got some San Pedro cacti and I will be storing them away for a rainy weekend haha.
It makes me more grounded in my decision to not have any desire to try anything else based off others experiences. The only thing I may try in a few months is mescaline (with my 25i friend), just got some San Pedro cacti and I will be storing them away for a rainy weekend haha.
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HumbleTraveler, if you've got a bad feeling about other psychedelics - by all means, don't take them! In my opinion, the classics are all worth trying at least once. I'm glad i have mushrooms and ayahuasca in my life because they offer you different perspectives because their modus operandi is just a bit different. Mescaline well...i would love to be able to say the same about mescaline, but i have never achieved a real full on experience. It's just so expensive 
HumbleTraveler
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Yes it certainly was rather expensive for the two pieces I got. But, I figure its worth a go. Id much rather try mescaline than LSD or LSD clones, and shrooms, just seems like theres way too much inconsistency with it. Mescaline seems like theres a lot of dosage and potency inconsistency, but, Im still not set yet on definitely trying it. I like the idea of it because of how it functions in waves and its not constant mind-rape the whole time. But I wanted to get it just to have it. It does seem very interesting. I just dont like the duration. I dont get why it has to be such a looooong time haha. Why cant it just be a 2 or 3 hr trip!? 
Joshua2112
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It's gonna blow your mind whether you've tried other psychedelics or not. Qualitatively and quantitatively a strong non breakthrough dose blows any other hallucinatory experience I've had completely out of the water and a breakthrough experience, well no amount of Delving in most psychedelic substances will prepare you for that.
I found my years of experimentation prior to trying DMT gave me some confidence, gave me a point of reference regarding psychedelic experiences as a whole and the possible way a DMT experience may unfold. By Trying other psychedelics first I developed a love for hallucinatory states a respect for the compounds and a strong interest/curiosity regarding the biological and psychological implications of those states that I think were beneficial in preparing me for DMT voyages.
Remember set and setting have a HUGE impact on how any psychedelic experience unfolds. You may find the hallucinatory visions of DMT completely overwhelming without having had any prior visionary experiences at all and depending on how you handle that you can spiral into a bad trip pretty quick.
It's one thing to read DMT trip reports and imagine how it was experienced it's a completely different animal to actually having a DMT experience and deal with the cognitive dissonance of the experience. I think experience with other psychedelics helped buffer me from that inevitable dissonance.
That being said, you are not me. You sound pretty confident going straight to the psychonaut big leagues. Just spend some time experimenting with low doses. I've thoroughly enjoyed lower dose experiences and although none of the people I've personally introduced to DMT have broken through, all enjoyed the experience.
In the end 1 good rip and all experiential points of reference fly right out the window anyway. Safe travels, if your gonna have your first psychedelic visionary experience your definately choosing the compound that puts almost all others to shame.
I found my years of experimentation prior to trying DMT gave me some confidence, gave me a point of reference regarding psychedelic experiences as a whole and the possible way a DMT experience may unfold. By Trying other psychedelics first I developed a love for hallucinatory states a respect for the compounds and a strong interest/curiosity regarding the biological and psychological implications of those states that I think were beneficial in preparing me for DMT voyages.
Remember set and setting have a HUGE impact on how any psychedelic experience unfolds. You may find the hallucinatory visions of DMT completely overwhelming without having had any prior visionary experiences at all and depending on how you handle that you can spiral into a bad trip pretty quick.
It's one thing to read DMT trip reports and imagine how it was experienced it's a completely different animal to actually having a DMT experience and deal with the cognitive dissonance of the experience. I think experience with other psychedelics helped buffer me from that inevitable dissonance.
That being said, you are not me. You sound pretty confident going straight to the psychonaut big leagues. Just spend some time experimenting with low doses. I've thoroughly enjoyed lower dose experiences and although none of the people I've personally introduced to DMT have broken through, all enjoyed the experience.
In the end 1 good rip and all experiential points of reference fly right out the window anyway. Safe travels, if your gonna have your first psychedelic visionary experience your definately choosing the compound that puts almost all others to shame.
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HumbleTraveler, to be honest, i have not noticed a wave with cactus yet, but i've only eaten small doses. With Mushrooms (eaten, not lemon tekked) the waves are very pronounced, but it's more like...allowing you to catch your breath and concentrate for a moment. I have a good feeling about cacti in terms of gentlenes. I would really suggest to take it as early as possible and no later than 8am. If you want to sleep the next night, that is.
Ayahuasca can have a short duration of 1-2 hours and mushrooms are like 4 hours (lemon tek).
What i can suggest you try is sublingual harmalas + smoked DMT. This way, the DMT lasts a little longer, perhaps 8 minutes instead of 3.
Oh and, i read you're talking of "Mind Rape" - do you have some deep seated mistrust of psychedelics perhaps? You wouldn'T be the first.
Ayahuasca can have a short duration of 1-2 hours and mushrooms are like 4 hours (lemon tek).
What i can suggest you try is sublingual harmalas + smoked DMT. This way, the DMT lasts a little longer, perhaps 8 minutes instead of 3.
Oh and, i read you're talking of "Mind Rape" - do you have some deep seated mistrust of psychedelics perhaps? You wouldn'T be the first.
Wow! A lot more responses than I was expecting! 
Thanks everyone! I rarely ever hear of anyone having negative things to say about DMT, even people who have had a negative trip on it. They usually say it was hell during, but somehow showed them a way to better themselves. I love reading about this substance, it is very interesting to me to hear the experiences that others have had!
Thanks everyone! I rarely ever hear of anyone having negative things to say about DMT, even people who have had a negative trip on it. They usually say it was hell during, but somehow showed them a way to better themselves. I love reading about this substance, it is very interesting to me to hear the experiences that others have had!
i was always a bit apprehensive about doing DMT considering my lack of experience with other hallucinogens, bar mushrooms once in my late teens which was just a nonsensical gigglefest. went for it anyway, overdid the dosage, had a tough time.
like everyone else says, i don't think it's necessary to have experience with other psychedelics as DMT will completely blow your mind regardless. just go easy.
like everyone else says, i don't think it's necessary to have experience with other psychedelics as DMT will completely blow your mind regardless. just go easy.
Junglejumper
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Coming from someone who hasn't yet tryed the molecule either I can't comment on it's effects. However, I have tryed many other tryptamines and I have to say some of them can be strong and frightening(i had a bad experience with an accidental amt overdose). But others, like 5-meo-dipt, can be very easy to handle. From everything else i've read dmt is very intense but has a very light body load. That is to say very few unpleasent physical side-effects(i.e. Jaw clenching, teeth grinding, muscular tension, elevated blood pressure or heart rate, etc.) Being that the body load oi s usually the worst part of any trip i'd say dmt could possibly be the best first substance to trip on. I would just advice that like with any other substance, particularly pyscedelics, you start off slow. Maybe try a small vapor dose first. If that treats you okay, do a lil more next time. Just work your way up to a breakthru dose slowly. I'm excited to hear about your first time cause it might help me with my first experience.
DMT was my first psychedelic (if you don't count MDMA as being mildly psychedelic). Was perfectly fine, and was a good introduction to psychedelics and their world. Completely blew my brains apart ofcourse, and it was even a low dose and I smoked it incorrectly. Try doing just one hit first, getting a feel for it, writing down notes on how you felt (intensity, feelings, visuals etc.) Experiment untill you find the level you like, and is both recreational and a tool for you. And then you can think about trying to breakthrough.
