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DMT for Mom

schilling5

schilling5

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Hello friends,

Please take everything I say below with a grain of salt as what may be true for me may not be true for others, and I do not want to offend any Christians or Christian-God believers. This is not about deciding who is right and wrong about Truth, it's about my mom. Thank you.

I have situation with my mom and I'd like to share it with you. I'll give you some details first. She's 50 years old, most likely been stuck in Stage Blue of the Spiral Dynamics for most of her life, as she grew up in a communist regime and has been an atheist until the age of 40 I think. All of the sudden she decided to be a Christian, and been in the church for almost 9 years. For the past 5 years I've been trying to tell her that while it's a good thing that she believes in God, I've tried to "open" her eyes a bit by teaching her concepts of Non-Duality, God, absolute Truth, Love, death, nature of reality, that hell and paradise are dualities and they are not True, and that not everything that she's been thought in the church is True. I was making progress with her, and she really became a more intelligent person even though she believed the dogma of the church. Even if she was still in her peak-high indoctrination, she became less and less indoctrinated while I worked on her. I was making serious progress of kicking her out of indoctrination and instilling new spiritual teachings of the highest nature. Before continuing I want to say that my mother was and probably still is a sweetheart deep down until this point.

Last year, she left church saying she doesn't like it anymore, because the priests are corrupt, they lie, and they don't teach you new information. Ok, that's fine. I was actually thrilled to hear that and that she's been able to see beyond the doctrine. However... she joined a cult. Yep. She actually joined a fully blown cult and her life has been on a downwards spiral mentally from there, even though she says she's never been better. She started saying that Jesus was reborn in China, and is here to save us before we all die in 2025 due to global catastrophes. They have Facebook groups and are always reading some texts they receive by Google Drive. I know what cult it is, but I didn't really care about the specifics. She started ignoring her family, never leaving her room, having arguments, etc. To the point where the entire family broke apart and we all live separated right now.

I've tried to explain to her that this is a mistake, but she is fully brain-washed at this point and it broke my hearth. I've tried with all my spirit and power more than before to give her all sorts of reasons why this is wrong and is nothing different from her old version in Christianity. It's just another color. She is so brainwashed that she denies everything I say, even the old stuff that I was saying and she was agreeing with me. I don't know what else to do.

We rarely speak anymore, and I've told her that I could give her DMT that lasts for about 10-15 minutes. I told her that if what she believes to be true really is, she will find out in that space. She doesn't know about the substance, and has never taken a psychedelic in her entire life.

I'm in a dilemma. What should I do? Should I give her DMT? Is it morally correct? Would I be helping her, or worsen the situation? I don't know how she will react if she receives Truth and it shudders her entire life beliefs, or if it will send her to hell and believe even stronger that China Jesus will save her before 2025. And no, waiting for 2025 will have no point, as she goes in a rabbit-hole about that God gives us 1 more year and stuff like that. I've asked. Should I mind my own business and leave her be?
 
That is a difficult situation, in my experience the only thing that one can do is keep contact however much is possible and hope for sanity to return at some point in the future. What does not seem to help is fight the cult in whatever way, just go with the flow and keep confrontation to a minimum and keep in touch. If there is some kind of financial incentive for that cult you could try to keep some of your mothers money from direct access to protect her from that burden.

Other than that there’s not much one can do without getting into a storm that you might not want to ride out. Giving your mother dmt, even when making sure she really understands what you’re asking her to try is unethical and just not right.

Good luck with your situation and don’t give up, these things can take a very long time to resolve and even if she is able to shake it then building a good relationship can be difficult.
 
Maybe you (yourself) could consult with a sort of cult-academic/therapist that might be able to give you some insight/inspiration...

And as always, I would say,

if you value her, value her
and listen to her
...
 
If she accepts the DMT print, why not?
You cannot force her, but if she agrees, that can only make things more sustainable in that she has a point to argue with. If I understand it right, for now, she is in some kind of gibberish that she takes for spirituality, without results.

Spirituality should bring you some sort of insights, behind pure speculative philosophy, or it isn't worth the time spend on.

DMT is that kind of spirituality, as is yoga, meditation or music.

I would probably go for it, since you had the idea and your mom really looks in need for help.

But difficult to give advice on it, it is really personal responsibility. Trust your heart!
 
Not sure if I would give anyone DMT unless they expressed interest.

We all go through phases. Sounds like she is a little lost. Be the beacon, the lighthouse, to show her the way back. Sounds like you are already doing that. Just tell her you love her and express your concerns. If she is interested in church, it may be that she is searching for community or a place where she can belong, this could stem from being lonely. Perhaps you could assist in finding another church for her. Each to their own as far as their belief systems. Some churches are very good for the soul. Find one that has ice cream socials, dinner socials and gets together outside of Sunday. Community and a sense of belonging can be very powerful for some people. It sounds like she may be being manipulated in some way. It is very hard for me to give a solution to such a complex problem. Keep us posted on how she is doing. You sound like you love her very much and sometimes that is what someone needs the most, knowing someone cares. I feel for you my friend. That is a tough one.
 
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@schilling5 Have you considered attending some cult meetings with her? It could give you a way to reconnect with your mom, and also provide a bit of intel about the cult. The leaders may have criminal records or be of interest to the police. They usually have "questionable agendas & methods". I'm just thinking it might be easier to get your mom out of the cult if you know more about the inner workings, or if the leadership somehow dissolves. At the least, you'd have better ammo for discussions with her about the cult. Even if you can't get real dirt of them, you can study their personalities and the group dynamics. With that you could likely make comments, or ask questions to your mom about things which could lead to negative thoughts about the group. She might eventually see their scams, or get jealous, or somehow have second thoughts about them.

Be patient and respectful with her. You can't help her if she's mad & won't talk to you. Continue showing love and spending time with her. Maybe you can offer to do some of the special things she did with you as a child, like picnics, hikes, the beach or something? Anything that might "take her back" to memories before this religious cult crap began.

If you have siblings maybe they can help too.

Good luck,
 
unless your mother already has experience with psychedelics, i would refrain from the idea of giving your mom a drug like dmt.as it seems your mom is already in state of uncertainty in life. and a dose of dmt could easily make things much worse.

the only thing you can do for her is to be there for her and try to not make that cult the topic number 1 of your interaction.
the more you try to steer her away the more she will block you off
 
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