DMT getting blocked by THC?

[username848]

Hi all!

I have done around 300mg DMT about 12 times now using my mighty vape and a dosing capsule. I have done this on 2 occasions. Most dosages were 25-35mg but I did some lighter ones too to get over the pre flight anxiety.

Unfortunately it's not what I expected at all. That said, I use a lot of THC in edible form every day and that seems to block it.

I have done it enough to know I also had some fails where I barely blasted off, where I was still aware of my body and my breathing. Sometimes I was still aware of my breathing but very far out of my body. 3 times I completely lost touch with my body, and one time I fully died there. Those 3 times there was a lot of vapor and I was gone extremely fast. The best time (35mg properly vaped, the vapor cloud was huge) I felt an insane body load creeping through my whole skeleton and skin and poof I was gone.

That said, I did not get teleported to a visual or loving spectacle. It's mostly darkness with some spinning colored circles. I don't feel euphoria or love there at all, it's mostly neutral. There was sadly only one truly mind blowing minute out of all my trips. I was in a black void where I was nothing. Not the spectator not the space itself. I was looking from the 'outside' and remember there were no thoughts or anything human. But again no visual spectacle, no euphoria, no love, nothing like I read about for the past 15+ years.

The times I blasted off I took my last edible 30 hours before. Today I tried it again, but took an edible 14 hours before. I couldn't blast off at all. I had some spinning colored circles from 35mg and that's it. I wasn't even leaving my body this time. I have done salvia enough in the past to know what losing reality really means and I legit was unable to even leave my body just now no matter how big my hits were.

So I will assume THC is the issue as I don't use other drugs except LSD. I plan to abstain THC for 48 hours and try again (and hopefully soon, quit my THC addiction)

Sorry for the long ramble, just curious if this is a normal experience. My edible dosage is unfortunately quite high so even after 24 hours I'm still far from sober.

 

[The_Embalmer]

For me personally I smoke a lot of weed and one of my preferred methods of launching is to sandwich DMT between some nugs.

I know some people say that weed can cloud their experience a bit or not receive much clarity but I personally have never been affected by THC being mixed in with the experience. I'm not saying that it can't and it is well known that THC can have a dampening effect on quite a few things even suppressing dreams but once again I also don't experience the dream suppression from herb. Going back into the experience without the THC in your system would be a sure way to test this theory for you but if you find out it wasn't the THC I'm going to go with it's more likely that You are grasping for the experience and when you try to grasp at the experience from DMT it will stop circling the pond like a koi fish and leave you with empty waters. This is commonly referred to as the lock out phenomenon. It is theorized to be a mix of neuro chemistry and something we all don't really understand. However one key ingredient it seems to understanding this substance is to be showing it some respect and to try to integrate some of these experiences before going back in for a "show"

You are also expecting too much from it. This is a journey and not a destination. There is all kinds of things that will happen a long the way and they will be personal to you. You may find shared experiences which is a trip in of itself but mostly the more you work with it you'll find it is generally always different.


That dark area is apart of you just like the light shows. You should probably take a look into the dark and ask yourself the question

"Do I love myself?"



Much luck on your voyages id say just put it down for a minute and go live life. Hyperspace will be there for you when you return.

Hyperspace lexicon - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

Hyperspace lexicon - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

 

[username848]

Thanks, I understand where you're coming from, but even 150ug LSD gives much more visuals than DMT, and is also much more intense, which I don't think is possible if it works properly? 300ug LSD is much much more powerful than the DMT experiences I had, like not even comparable, and my shroom experiences are much more powerful than my LSD ones.

And considering my THC experiment I'd say THC is the culprit because today I could just feel my mind battling the DMT. Whereas the first time, I would not battle it at all, it was impossible to even fight it, I just completely let myself go, but it was just boring except the proper 35mg hit. I also read that people smoke weed before DMT don't get a proper trip, which I think is what happened to me?

I have done plenty of psychedelics and soul searching and apart from a THC addiction that is a relic from a depression from years ago, I definitely love myself/everyone enough to do DMT, I waited 15+ years before I was ready.
I can handle high dosages of shrooms and LSD with no issue and feel nothing but love and euphoria on every trip

I get that I maybe expect too much but from shrooms and LSD I always expect a lot too but they don't let me down, they always do the opposite, I'm mind blown by every trip. But DMT just was mostly nothing except leaving my body.

 

[The_Embalmer]

The dosage of DMT still trips me out.


I've had 8mg carry me to the same place 30mg has off the same batch of spice just with a little meditation prior to the experience.


There is also a chance that your DMT could possibly not be that great. Did you extract it yourself? Do you know where it came from?


As voidmatrix says with DMT specifically it seems that showing some reverence goes a long way and he isn't kidding. You are comparing it to mushrooms and LSD already going into it thinking you know better. One thing I love about DMT is it's ability to rehumble yourself.


Here are some other links to take a look at for your troubleshooting process:

Trouble Breaking Through???

Attn. If you're having a hard time breaking through read this.



If for some reason it is none of these things and isn't the THC then you are experiencing a Lockout and the dark space was a hyperslap trying to warn you to integrate and take a break and at that point I'd seriously listen to it if I were you. Things can get traumatic fast from hyperslaps and it sounds like you got a slap on the wrist.



I once didn't listen and ended up with a hyperslap so bad I was screaming into a towel till my vocal chords bled.

 

[The_Embalmer]

Another thing to remember is that DMT has a great sense of humor and will mess with your expectations. Try to see some beauty in the nothingness and see what happens. Maybe try to appreciate the darkness for what it is. Why can we only enjoy light shows?

 

[username848]

I didn't mean to compare them and I'm not trying to sound like I know better, sorry about that. But the only thing I read many times was that no matter how many times you do shrooms or LSD, DMT will still blow your mind. In a different way ofcourse but I believe I should be impressed after DMT and not.. disappointed?

Now I can go pretty deep with shrooms but I'm far from a heavy tripper. And DMT absolutely did not blow my mind, just the opposite.

I got it from a reliable source that uses it himself as well, but of course I can't know the quality. But I did get all the other effects, stopping your breathing, leaving your body etc. but I just went.. nowhere. I will read about DMT more and also quit THC for a while and see what happens then.

I am definitely going into it with too much expectations that is true. But shouldn't the experience be so strong my expectations are irrelevant? That is how all other psychedelics work for me at least - no matter how excited I am they still surprise me. I've done shrooms for 20 years and they still completely humble me every time.

Regarding the visual part, that is only because that is easy to explain. I honestly don't care much about visuals during trips, they are just the cherry on top. But with DMT I barely experienced other stuff either, apart from vibrations and leaving my body. Which, do not get me wrong, was incredibly intense. But afterwards was just eh.

 

[The_Embalmer]

Welcome to DMT

Remember DMT Is a journey and a very personalized one. The more you go along the more it changes. I've experienced alien abductions, soul surgeries, middle fingers in my wallpaper, absolutely nothing at all, complete nothing, horrors beyond comprehensible imagination, unexplainable, beautiful, sad, time travel, death and rebirth, entities, visions, sometimes outright hilarious, paradoxical, etc.

It's all of these things and none of them at all. There is no real way to describe it and the more I go along the less I understand and the more I grow to deeply appreciate this precious molecule.

It's pretty random and not like any other psychedelic. It is it's own thing.



I wish you well on your journeys friend I'll let some of the other more intelligent folks around here take over as I have shared my piece.


Much love and I hope you find what you're looking for!

 

[username848]

Haha thank you for your input, it's really appreciated. And sorry if I came off wrong, I'm trying to work on that as well!

 

[The_Embalmer]

No need to be sorry were all in this together

 

[Voidmatrix]

The issue could also be psychological or your biomechanics. I say this because I've met people that needed way higher doses than commonly recommended to get anywhere.

I'd also suggest tailoring your expectations. It's not the same every time. I have had "breakthrough" doses that had no visuals and were strictly somatic experiences.

It's also not always sunshine and rainbows, believe me.

One love

 

[The_Embalmer]

There is a physiological condition known as aphantasia that I've always wondered how much plays a role in this and also people on the spectrum tend to experience this more so than neuro-typicals and I've noticed that people with this condition tend to report needing to take insanely high doses to achieve similar effects

The two can exist separately and are different conditions but they do frequently co-exist together and I wonder how much this affects dosaging

Aphantasia - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053810021000131#:~:text=Aphantasics%20show%20elevated%20autism%2Dlinked,'%20than%20'projector'%20traits.

But the puzzler to me would be the explanation given of the experiences had prior with LSD and mushrooms being very visual and seeming to respond to those doses accordingly


Do you find yourself username having to take more than the average person when it comes to dosing yourself on any other psychedelics specifically mushrooms as psilocybin (4-HO-DMT) is structurally a chemical cousin of DMT?

As someone who works with both psilocybin and DMT pretty regularly I've definitely noticed a cross tolerance between the two.

 

[Sabnock1990]

I assure you, at least with oral DMT, THC/Cannabis/CB1 agonists do not block out the effects of DMT, it potentiates and amplifies it, to a dramatic degree lol. Idk about oral Cannabis, but i wouldn't imagine it to block out the effects, if it don't block out the effects with other Psychedelics then imo it's something about your technique for DMT.

Also, "even 150ug LSD gives much more visuals than DMT, and is also much more intense" - I would definitely say the DMT isn't working for you and it's not because of the THC, trust me, DMT is VERY intense, much more so than LSD, if you ain't gettin' the proper effect, it's either your technique for smoking/consuming DMT, or it's the LSD creating a tolerance, imo.

 

[username848]

Thanks for the input, I appreciate them all.

Why I specifically mentioned high dose oral THC (600+ mg) is that in fact, it did block shrooms entirely for me. I tried to trip twice, with a months break inbetween a few years ago on shrooms but I was taking almost 1000mg oral THC at the time and what happened was a comeup and nothing more.

My only conclusion was THC was the culprit, as before switching to oral THC, this never happened, I have successfully tripped many times and always while smoking weed during a trip, but oral THC and especially in higher dosages have an extreme numbing effect in every aspect of life.

No other medications or drug use except nicotine at the time. I have cut down my dosages from 900+ to 200-300mg now, but obviously that is still quite severe. I can't remember a single dream for the past.. so long.

I will definitely try to stop having expectations. Instead of reading about it I will just go offline for a while and let it happen on its own.

It might also be the LSD I took recently. Or more likely, it's a combination of everything. My ego and expectations are definitely absolutely massive and that does not contribute. That said, I know what it feels like to blast off/leave your body and I can absolute say with certainty I once did from 35mg but it was just not memorable in the slightest. I will continue my THC taper down to 0mg and join the real world again.

Sometime soon I will do a 72 hour THC break and see what happens with DMT then. No expectations ofcourse...

Also maybe it is relevant that my dosage of CBD is very high too, because I use hasj and not weed oil.

 

[username848]

There is a physiological condition known as aphantasia that I've always wondered how much plays a role in this and also people on the spectrum tend to experience this more so than neuro-typicals and I've noticed that people with this condition tend to report needing to take insanely high doses to achieve similar effects

The two can exist separately and are different conditions but they do frequently co-exist together and I wonder how much this affects dosaging

Aphantasia - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

http://0than 'projector' traits.

But the puzzler to me would be the explanation given of the experiences had prior with LSD and mushrooms being very visual and seeming to respond to those doses accordingly


Do you find yourself username having to take more than the average person when it comes to dosing yourself on any other psychedelics specifically mushrooms as psilocybin (4-HO-DMT) is structurally a chemical cousin of DMT?

As someone who works with both psilocybin and DMT pretty regularly I've definitely noticed a cross tolerance between the two.

I missed this one on my phone.

I don't think I have that. My imagination is quite insane and extremely vivid which is why I 'had' to numb it with THC (other drugs did not help)

Admittedly, a few hours ago I took a very high dosage of THC for the first time in a month and now that I'm trying to picture things in my mind, I do have it. So maybe that causes it, because I definitely not have this when I am sober or have a lower dosage. And funny enough the high dosage of THC sort of causes autism symptoms as well. But I've been in therapy a lot and the conclusion was just heavy ADD.

But no, while I do 'need' weed on psychedelics to get me going to a weird peak, it took me 20 trips to get past 4 grams on shrooms, the first time I did 3.5 grams I lost my mind lol, and 4.5 grams of shrooms was legit the most insane experience of my life so far, where the whole world turned into a colored aztec paradise. I definitely do not need high dosages, I just like them.

On LSD, I had really strong visuals at 250ug already with doors transforming into portals of light and nature merging through my body.

 

[The_Embalmer]

Perhaps DMT could be the start of your self care journey and maybe it is already showing you the first step. Why suppress your imagination? That's deep conditioning from our society talking right there.


If you firmly believe this then take a break from the edibles and then return to the DMT. It sounds like for where you are in your life right now edibles are holding you back and the DMT likes to give out spirit candy after the homework is done.