DMT & Meditation?

[Swarupa]

Do many of you meditate?
Do you find it possible to do so while on DMT?

I've found that in the afterglow (hours/days/weeks) after trying DMT it was noticeable through the insights i was getting that DMT cleared up some stuff inside me, meditation was incredible in the days after, although in the peak of the experience meditation seemed practically impossible, it was like it had to scrub my mind clean, it had to ensnare my sense of self into fear & chaos to purify it.

On mushrooms i can still get that fear like on any psychedelic (usually fear of losing control) but on mushrooms i can focus/meditate & come through it easily, i can leave the personal mind aside & bask in the universal presence within, but on DMT this was almost impossible, rather than an experience of oneness it was an experience of endless multiplicity, rather then being beyond creation my sense of self was thrown into creation wildly.

After trying DMT again a week later on a much lower dose i felt i could meditate, let go more, but it was still the theme of endless multiplicity, being wildly out of control, chaos not harmony, do you find as you learn more you are able to tune into the experience more, able to see the harmony in the chaos? Maybe there is a learning curve with DMT as there is with mushrooms?

Any thoughts?

 

[pau]

For me, there's nothing like some spiritual medicine to help meditation. Not that much experience with dmt- or aya-aided meditation, but plenty with achuma. With stronger doses of a good plant, I've been able to get close to an egoless merger into consciousness. Hopefully, I'll experience a "breakthrough" with aya one day, but not yet.

Also, it's been easier for me to meditate on the upswing of a journey than during the peak of the journey itself....that goes for both "aided" and "unaided".

Letting go is not easy under any circumstances ...I've done it enough with the medicine to trust where I go with it. The most awesome and also the "scariest" meditation I ever had was without medicine! But that was the first time something like that ever happened to me

 

[azrael]

haven't figured out how to meditate with dmt, or even the same night of having it. it usually turns out to be a mentally noisy thinking session as opposed to clarity/peace/etc that meditation brings. dmt is good for many things but it is not good for being here Now, which is my approach to meditation.

 

[Swarupa]

. dmt is good for many things but it is not good for being here Now, which is my approach to meditation.

This leaves me wondering why so many consider it an entheogen as i very rarely hear of entheogenic experiences/trip reports related to DMT

 

[ragabr]

SWIM can take much longer meditation sessions directly after a break-through as easily as shorter ones without it. Typically she lands into a completely silent, grounded state and can get straight to the meditation rather than having the adjustment period that can eat the first 5-10 minutes of a sit normally.

 

[jamie]

ayahuasca can be sooooo good for meditation

 

[Steely]

If it weren't for meditating during my smoked Spice journeys, I would have never found myself wandering around the next threshold, outside of this existence.

 

[KwisatzHaderach]

. dmt is good for many things but it is not good for being here Now, which is my approach to meditation.

This leaves me wondering why so many consider it an entheogen as i very rarely hear of entheogenic experiences/trip reports related to DMT

Really? I feel like this is the EXACT opposite in my case and most others who partake the substance directly with me. I feel like meditation allowed myself to "breakthrough" my breakthrough almost and reach a place of pure Nirvana and bliss. A brilliant thousand petaled lotus amongst the stars. Floating in complete emptiness and wholeness all at once.

I don't even approach the substance unless I've set up the proper meditation setting: a candle, some tranquil/ambient music and proper time to clear my mind and prepare myself for the task at hand. I never journey without my meditation spacesuit.

Peace and Love

 

[Swarupa]

Thanks for the replies they are encouraging

 

[vibrancy3]

I cant meditate on DMT, maybe with experience i will learn.......]

through i do often meditate b4 dosing on dmt, my ritual is to usually get stoned (decent smoke) and watch something really funny, like get myself in fits (comedy series bottom! never lets me down) and then unwind down, cool myself down, get all calm maybe 15mins of meditation to clear the mind then blast off :d

but that's my way i don't know if it works for anyone else ? lol........

 

[azrael]

. dmt is good for many things but it is not good for being here Now, which is my approach to meditation.

This leaves me wondering why so many consider it an entheogen as i very rarely hear of entheogenic experiences/trip reports related to DMT

entheogen means to generate the divine within, which dmt most certainly does. my meditative practice (probably different than many other's) is geared towards absorbing in here and now, which I'll admit involves letting go of any belief or thought. dmt also has the benefit of taking you places that make concepts of "here" and "now" have different definitions, but absorption is facilitated by the absence of preconception and thought.

both practices, dmt and meditation, could be approached similarly. in fact, the most accurate way to say it is when I meditate, I approach consensus reality like a dmt experience. on one hand you have complete surrender to hyperspace, on the other is complete surrender to consensus reality.

and now that that I think about it, both are getting at the same way of doing things. not the same path, just a similar approach to some path. and I'm not saying that one can replace another, each has their own benefits.

ayahuasca can be sooooo good for meditation

aya taught me how to see thoughts, very helpful in becoming aware of other parts of the mind.