DMT, pandoras box?

[giver of will]

Once I believed I WOULD NEVER DO DMT EVER AGAIN. Beware dark and hostile forces... - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

I have posted my experiences here many times. If you want you can look up my posts and whatnot. But the link to the thread above chills me to the bone... I have had breakthrough experiences on dmt and each time i felt like i was being warned not to venture further. The above link was one I read a week ago and it seriously makes me not want to do dmt ever again. I mean, when people actually are PHYSICALLY hurt by their dmt trips? This is a red flag for me. I have the same beliefs as the poor soul who had locusts shoved down his mouth and I keep hearing the same thing from the nexus every time.... "its just your own consciousness showing you your flaws" But this? He even gave into them harming him and they still tortured his "soul" until his brain was able to come back to reality. It seriously makes me not want to TOUCH dmt ever again. But i want to hear peoples opinions on this subject. I have been to heaven and have came close to entering "hell" on dmt, I want to hear others opinions on this matter.

 

[۩]

My opinion is don't think too much about it.

If you don't like what DMT does, don't use it.

Simple.

 

[RayOfLight]

Its not for everyone, Ive had many terrifying experiences. These experiences can be better avoided by taking low doses and working your way up. Drinking a cappi tea before smoking has helped me as well. Whatever you choose to do I wish you well.

 

[Citta]

I also think that it would be rather naive to expect every single experience to be bliss, just as it is naive to believe that life is only a dance on red roses without stepping on thorns every now and then. As with life, we must take the good with the bad.

 

[tele]

There are certain (in my view) tests/lessons that DMT can bring to us and they can be so unpleasant that they even can include physical pain(once I had 3 days lower back pain, starting immediately after inhalation), I think these things are weird and unpleasant but if one is interested going into the woods called DMT, there one can expect seeing some angry bears,beautiful fairies,funny elves,creeps,mighty wizards etc etc.
I'm glad it has the "dark" side to it(which I'm glad doesn't come that often to me though), it keeps the high seekers away from it. It also strenghtens one mentally after one goes through tough experiences, at least in my experience.
In the end I believe DMT experiences don't come randomly, especially the "bad" ones.

 

[Felnik]

It's a certain leap of faith , I think some people are built to handle it
If you examine the bad ones on nexus many times there are contributing
Factors such as bad setting , bad mindset , other drug combinations, non-measured dose etc.
most of all lack of experience with this particular molecule , its unlike anything .

It's very tricky stuff to work with . only with experience does it begin to be
Manageable and you begin to instictively know when to push forward or to cease.
There are so many levels to this so many places to get stuck along the way.
It can amplify fear like nothing else . Fear is the cornerstone
Of our monkey existence .

I think trouble starts with attempting to apply human
cultural belief systems to these experiences. They seem to transend
All of it . I,ve found the feeling of love to be one of the few constants.

 

[SpartanII]

Once I believed I WOULD NEVER DO DMT EVER AGAIN. Beware dark and hostile forces... - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

I have posted my experiences here many times. If you want you can look up my posts and whatnot. But the link to the thread above chills me to the bone... I have had breakthrough experiences on dmt and each time i felt like i was being warned not to venture further. The above link was one I read a week ago and it seriously makes me not want to do dmt ever again. I mean, when people actually are PHYSICALLY hurt by their dmt trips? This is a red flag for me. I have the same beliefs as the poor soul who had locusts shoved down his mouth and I keep hearing the same thing from the nexus every time.... "its just your own consciousness showing you your flaws" But this? He even gave into them harming him and they still tortured his "soul" until his brain was able to come back to reality. It seriously makes me not want to TOUCH dmt ever again. But i want to hear peoples opinions on this subject. I have been to heaven and have came close to entering "hell" on dmt, I want to hear others opinions on this matter.

I agree. It's trip reports like this that make me reconsider attempting a break-though.

 

[giver of will]

My opinion is don't think too much about it.

If you don't like what DMT does, don't use it.

Simple.

I think its a beautiful and enlightening experience. I always seem to experience the beauty while also being kind of "hinted" that I should not be seeing all of this. So its really not that simple for me. I love the experience, but if its going to lead me into hell I don't want it. The only problem is I don't know if it will lead me there or not.

It's a certain leap of faith , I think some people are built to handle it
If you examine the bad ones on nexus many times there are contributing
Factors such as bad setting , bad mindset , other drug combinations, non-measured dose etc.
most of all lack of experience with this particular molecule , its unlike anything .

It's very tricky stuff to work with . only with experience does it begin to be
Manageable and you begin to instictively know when to push forward or to cease.
There are so many levels to this so many places to get stuck along the way.
It can amplify fear like nothing else . Fear is the cornerstone
Of our monkey existence .

I think trouble starts with attempting to apply human
cultural belief systems to these experiences. They seem to transend
All of it . I,ve found the feeling of love to be one of the few constants.

I always love your posts Felnik. I have had many bad experiences last april and you always seemed to help me integrate them better and I appreciate you. DMT comes with such a human cultural theme to it, I dont know if it is because our minds are scrambling to make sense of the experience or what. but the products that the mind produces of the experience seem to have such a more "real" and "higher" meaning than anything else. I just FEEL that its real, not just think it. And hellish experiences would never be something I would want to feel.

I'm glad it has the "dark" side to it(which I'm glad doesn't come that often to me though), it keeps the high seekers away from it. It also strenghtens one mentally after one goes through tough experiences, at least in my experience.

I really like this quote, good point.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

It is a bit like surfing, or scuba diving...

You can prepare yourself well, have a good crew of friends to help you, learn to journey with respect, and have these amazing sights and thrills. That is not changed by the fact that there are things that could conceivably go wrong. No one could tell you that when you go scuba diving in an ocean, that you won't see sharks ever. Many people enjoy encountering them, and even chum the sea to ensure that plenty of them will show up.

Whatever you believe about the reality or unreality of your experiences, the main factor is that you CAN control (to a large degree) the nature of your experience by using your most powerful tools as a conscious being... awareness, intention and willpower.

Like surfing or scuba diving, though, this psychonaut stuff is not for everyone... certainly not for those who aren't at peace with the ocean.

IME you will attract to you the experiences you need to manifest on your path to becoming the being you deeply intend to be.

Love & Light
HF

 

[tele]

Fear, death and even pain can be good when it's coming through the use of DMT, I'm not even joking, just my experience:wink:

Kind of like releasing accumulated negative energy and facing ones deepest fears. There's a reason why many psychonauts say the "bad" trips are the best

 

[oden]

as i have said before.. i have jumped out of planes,scuba dived,wrecked dived,caved dived,climbed mountains.repelled of of some of the biggest highrise buildings,i climb towers up to 2220 ft to do my job,in the most extream weather conditions including lightning storms, i have stood 0n top of towers at 1 am in the highest jet stream winds,, never have i had anything shake me to my boots like the spice.. it is the spirit molecule.. i have said that even with all i have done.. i know none braver than those that make break through jumps!! i have had ego death that ripped me completly apart! there are friends here that have had ego death several times. some had them in a row.. this is not a party drug. it is dmt..and if you want to truly know it.. then understand it very well can happen to you.. and when it does you will be helpless to stop it.. although no one really dies..thank heavens!! you will not have a clue of this at the time... if you want to know the spice. then understand all of this! it is perfect in all it does.. and what it teaches..soooo you must decide am i really ready for what can happen! it,s why you do not see it being sold on every corner. and if you do find someone selling it. then that person has no respect for it or you! but for the very few that have an open heart and respect for this molecule and the bravery to take what it will show.. it is perfect in all it does.... much respect my brave spirits!! much respect! Oden

 

[Ez]

Some times one must go through hell to get to heaven. I think everyone experiences some sort of fear before entering into these realms, because we never know what is waiting for us on the other side. Sometimes it's beautiful, sometimes nonsensical, sometimes it's brutal, but each step brings us closer to whole. The only constant for me is the feeling of love. I could be mistake, but that is how I see these experiences. We learn so much in every journey, but are only able to retain so much of what we learned and even when we put those teachings into effect, they still tend to slip away from day to day.

I'm the kind of person that needs constant re-enforcement so I try to remind myself of these teachings on a fairly regular basis. I also try to put those teachings into my daily life so as to help others as well. My most healing sessions have been on aya and some of my most enlightening journeys have been on cactus walks. I'm still familiarizing myself with vaping, but even that has a powerful message to share with us even if it is scary and painful. Perhaps, if you feel the molecule hinting that you shouldn't be using it, then you should heed it's advice.

 

[VisualAnemia]

I also think that it would be rather naive to expect every single experience to be bliss, just as it is naive to believe that life is only a dance on red roses without stepping on thorns every now and then. As with life, we must take the good with the bad.

Applause!

This is such a common thing among "users", if you want the good, expect the bad, because if you've never experienced something truly mortifying how would you then know when you truly experienced something divine?

Don't be afraid nor amazed, if you want to build a relationship with the substance of which you like to refer to as "she" then do so, but then don't come back crying about "her" lately adopted fascist attitude because after all it was you who wanted to know "her" and not learn from "it".

The first time I wanted to breakthrough I really went for it and for some stupid reason I was both amazed and horrified when I got it.

All that "try-hard" attitude had filled me with disbelief of ever getting there and when I finally came through I was so confused about why the heck anybody would want to get "there" in the first place.

That's when you take a step back and truly ask yourself of why you want to "breaktrough" on this substance or even use it at all? It actually took me quite some time to figure it out but; I'm an explorer and whether I have to bathe through sheer terror or divinity I shall do so. With a curious nature I'm ready to overcome any obstacle in order learn from my experiences.

DMT can be seen as an art, not everyone, everytime, manages to put aside their emotions to fully observe and responsibly interact with the experience.

This is however my view and it is not to be confused with any facts there might be regarding this subject. Any statements made are mere theories of which I personally prefer to proceed from.

 

[giver of will]

Some times one must go through hell to get to heaven. I think everyone experiences some sort of fear before entering into these realms, because we never know what is waiting for us on the other side. Sometimes it's beautiful, sometimes nonsensical, sometimes it's brutal, but each step brings us closer to whole. The only constant for me is the feeling of love. I could be mistake, but that is how I see these experiences. We learn so much in every journey, but are only able to retain so much of what we learned and even when we put those teachings into effect, they still tend to slip away from day to day.

I'm the kind of person that needs constant re-enforcement so I try to remind myself of these teachings on a fairly regular basis. I also try to put those teachings into my daily life so as to help others as well. My most healing sessions have been on aya and some of my most enlightening journeys have been on cactus walks. I'm still familiarizing myself with vaping, but even that has a powerful message to share with us even if it is scary and painful. Perhaps, if you feel the molecule hinting that you shouldn't be using it, then you should heed it's advice.

That is one of the most important thing i have ever learned and felt on dmt. I completely understand the need for both "good" and "bad" to exist. And you are right, if its hinting to me that I shouldn't be using it I probably should head its advice. But the experience is so beautiful and cleansing i dont know if i could ever stop exploring. I guess once I entered hell. Haha.

 

[lysergicIV]

Some times one must go through hell to get to heaven. I think everyone experiences some sort of fear before entering into these realms, because we never know what is waiting for us on the other side. Sometimes it's beautiful, sometimes nonsensical, sometimes it's brutal, but each step brings us closer to whole. The only constant for me is the feeling of love. I could be mistake, but that is how I see these experiences. We learn so much in every journey, but are only able to retain so much of what we learned and even when we put those teachings into effect, they still tend to slip away from day to day.

I'm the kind of person that needs constant re-enforcement so I try to remind myself of these teachings on a fairly regular basis. I also try to put those teachings into my daily life so as to help others as well. My most healing sessions have been on aya and some of my most enlightening journeys have been on cactus walks. I'm still familiarizing myself with vaping, but even that has a powerful message to share with us even if it is scary and painful. Perhaps, if you feel the molecule hinting that you shouldn't be using it, then you should heed it's advice.

That is one of the most important thing i have ever learned and felt on dmt. I completely understand the need for both "good" and "bad" to exist. And you are right, if its hinting to me that I shouldn't be using it I probably should head its advice. But the experience is so beautiful and cleansing i dont know if i could ever stop exploring. I guess once I entered hell. Haha.

I have had truly terrifying experiences in my travels but I do not believe in the necessity of both good and bad. I fully believe that the fact we exist is all that is needed to qualify as a good thing and everything else that happens is just icing on the cake wether is be beautiful or despicable. In my opinion bad things only happen as a result of people who lack the knowledge to understand why their acts are not good. I find it very difficult to believe that someone that understood their actions to be "bad" would actually carry out their actions. While a person may know that stealing is wrong prior to them stealing something, I don't believe that they fully understand why stealing is wrong. I suppose what I'm trying to say is the reason people do bad or evil is a failure to understand why it is bad or evil. If everyone fully understood what the essence of good is evil would not exist which is why I don't believe that evil is not required.

 

[damon]

If good and evil were so easy to define, we wouldn't have so many religions. I like to think of tripping as momentary lapses of reason, where we can entertain new delusions while breaking old delusions. We are all deluded to some extent, tripping or not. I wouldn't say to just "not think too much about it" because we can't, some delusions can really make you believe, again, while tripping or not. The thing that saves me is skepticism, because sometimes you can't believe everything you see and experience, no matter how profound it may seem to be. I'm talking about "God himself" giving you a message profound, which would be extremely difficult for even the average tripper to think "oh, that wasn't really him." You should't underestimate the ability of DMT to turn your world upside down and inside out, with an extra dimension or two thrown in the mix for a good laugh. Also don't underestimate the ability of a good laugh to change your attitude.

That wasn't a Pink Floyd reference, even though they are one of my favorites, it was just coincidence but maybe not. They have some insane music...literally.

 

[joedirt]

There are no good or bad DMT experiences. Only experiences.
DMT doesn't cause fear. It amplifies fear.

Learn to switch into witness mode and just observe.
If you don't inject fear into the experience then there won't be any fear.

If you are scared of DMT now then I suggest learning to meditate.
The process of learning to be completely even with normal everyday
thoughts is a good practice for remaining even when the
entire universe erupts around you.

Peace

 

[majesticnature]

Its a substance that demands the highest respect. Period. It's like picking up the phone to call God.

I believe all the set and setting stuff and I reccomend coming from a place of love. A state of being saturated with love.