Do You Ever Wonder If We're All Nuts?

[tseuq]

Committing to a breakthrough dose of anything, in my opinion, presupposes a certain level of interest in these drugs that extends beyond the realm of enjoyment or recreation. We acknowledge the likelihood of facing extreme discomfort but we follow through anyways because we have a strong interest in the experience and we find value in it.

:lol:

tseuq

 

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Do You Ever Wonder If We're All Nuts?

I think there is no way coming around it, with or without entheogens.
We can't be else than wrong, how about that for a consolation.
I dare you: try to avoid it, just try :twisted:

Then it leaves to choose what kind of nut-path seems most fitting, with evaluation of how-was-I compared to what-did-I-become.

For some the entheogens are not the best choice, for others it is.
For some it was best choice but isn't anymore.
For others it wasn't but is becoming best choice.
For some, some etheogens do bad score but other entheogens work better.

Anyhow the tripy part is part of it whatever it does for the rest, like you get wet taking a shower. I think we should stop asking nut questions as things are already way nut enough :lol: <-- joking

hahaha

 

[Orion]

If wondered if you're all nuts plenty of times Nothing to do with psychs though, and I think this of everyone, including myself.

Uni thinks we may be brain damaged as a species, but if that damage wasn't there, would we still be us?

Even if we are crazy, we've survived this far! Or... it's just me. I'm gonna roll with whatever!

 

[Koornut]

Entheogenic university class of 2015 photo.

 

[soulfood]

I agree, although not exactly in the same way. I think humans are literally suffering from a neuro-degenerative disease of sorts.

I always figured it was more an out of sync progression where certain parts of the brain evolutionarily overtake others then a degenerative phenomenon. But I'd never think of it as a disease. More of a blessing that needs to be controlled.

 

[Sandgrease]

I had this thought the other night after taking a hit of nitrous on 2 grams of cubes. I came back around from the nitrous and just kind of sobered up for a minute and sat confused and wondered if this was really a worthwhile way to spend my night (what else does one do at 3 in the morning?)

It felt amazing and cracked open my subconscious for introspection and a new way to look at myself and the world.

Do we need to justify why we enjoy certain things? Especially if they don't cause harm?

 

[Jees]

... We acknowledge the likelihood of facing extreme discomfort but we follow through anyways because we have a strong interest in the experience and we find value in it...I smoalk DMT because I'm curious about my mind and I think it helps me to be a better person...

I like a lot of your post Praxis but "strong interest", "value" and "better person" is not very detailed. Allow me to open up 1 of the many possible routes that might be part of your general expression:

Being attracted to something that induces fear (for one), because it connects us with primordial assets that are dormant otherwise. Something/someone who concurs stress comes out stronger/wiser, and that has not so much to do with investigating the mind but merely natural happening development mechanics. The actions that trigger the upgrade force might look (and sometimes simply are) pretty "nuts" on its own, but they pull of the upgrade job effectively. Well that is if one does not trespassing personal limitations.
Visiting fear or stress to become familiar with it, pays off a thousand fold in "real" life. I remember a guys that had a horrible peyote ceremony and concluded: Now I see if I can deal with this then life becomes more a piece of cake.

...So nah, I don't think we're nuts...

Much of Yes-or-No is probably displaying our personal definition of "nuts". I take it more lightly, some need to see a deeper pathological dysfunction before drawing the nuts-word.

 

[Jees]

...Do we need to justify ...why...?

No need to justify against ourselves but to this religion:

Please moma illegalize everything, E V E R Y T H I N G
so I won't turn into a drug zombie,
please mamaaaaa, popaaaaa !!​

Being sold to and bought by the mob as not nuts :?

 

[Psilosopher?]

There are times when I feel like the taking of any psychedelics is detrimental to me. By that, I mean my essence of living does not depend on it. So why take it? Maybe I'm trying to find excuses to validate why I love tripping. But when I look at the amount of good it has done for me, I can comfortably say that I will continue to delve into hyperspace. Look at the motto for this site. "Learn Share Expand". That is exactly what goes on in my mind on an individual level. And we expand on that principle by sharing these ideas and thoughts in a global community. From individual consciousness to collective consciousness. Out of many, we are one.

Do I think I'm nuts? Absolutely. Would I prefer it any other way? Absolutely not.

"Have I gone mad? I'm afraid so. You're entirely bonkers. But I'll tell you a secret. All the best people are."

 

[smokerx]

I agree, although not exactly in the same way. I think humans are literally suffering from a neuro-degenerative disease of sorts.

Yes it is definitely difficult to find a human with healthy brain. Most of the people I meet in every day life are like vegetables. Seriously its that bad. But the funniest thing about this is that they all think I am (we are) the weird ones

Once you want someone to actually produce a thought of their own that's where the problem starts. Suddenly you become the annoying one I really struggle to have some productive conversation with other people (even with my own family). The most common and accepted themes are : sex , food, weather, and sport (the one that's the main one in the area you live) and then it is talking badly about someone else. Anything else and you become the bad guy.

So at the end of the day yes it looks like we are the NUTS for sure Id like to be an ALMOND good idea for changing my nick name here

 

[tseuq]

Yes it is definitely difficult to find a human with healthy brain. Most of the people I meet in every day life are like vegetables. Seriously its that bad. But the funniest thing about this is that they all think I am (we are) the weird ones

People who do not have similar experiences can never understand me and from their perspective, I will always appear weird. Like when I have never tried diving in the ocean and someone tells me highly enthusiastic crazy stuff about her/his experience, I can just listen and say, "aha".

I experience that my speed of development depends on how fast I shift attention and integrate consciously. In a macroscopic view related to society, even if some guys are pushing evolution hard (like teslar, gandhi, and many more) we collectively evolve in the speed of the slowest unit.

Therefore, it appears to me as highly important, to push awareness regardless, by being love myself. I am equal, I connected, I am one.

... I let go of this identification, I am.



tseuq

 

[Ufostrahlen]

Are we actually a bunch of delusional hippies who have just taken way too much of a powerful, hallucinogenic drug?

“LSD is a psychedelic drug which occasionally causes psychotic behavior in people who have NOT taken it.”
― Timothy Leary

 

[jiva]

i do consider myself as crazy in my own way. and if someone does not want to admit that they are at least crazy to some extend they even do not know themselfs very well, they are lying, or media consumption of bullshit TV shows made them so dumb they are more vegetables than human beings (which in some cases is an insult to vegetables)

Are we actually a bunch of delusional hippies who have just taken way too much of a powerful, hallucinogenic drug?

if i consider my path to spirituality worth it, so it is.
it is our decision how we approach this.

in my personal opinion it is a good idea to look back and observe what you have taken and try to evaluate the emphasis of the experience by how much a substance could have altered your perception


my favorite pic on the subject

 

[Cognitive Heart]

"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." - Friedrich Nietzsche

As common as this expression might be, I always remind myself of these resonating words and seems to apply quite well to thread topic. Remain calm and know that one cannot ultimately know.

 

[nina]

I have schizophrenia and psychosis is way different than hallucinogenic experiences. DMT is something else.

 

[KannaRas]

I used to wonder

I know now the Spiritual Path is true

after time travelling back from the past to 2016

 

[Psykronom]

I wouldn't go so far as to call myself a nut, but I differ a lot from the vast majority of people in the ways that I think and WHAT I choose to focus on and put my energy into .
I think it is nuts to wonder about what kind of shoes that are in right now or which celebrity is dating who, or who is cheating on who in some stupid tv-show.... and so forth and so on :?

One thing for me with hallucinogens is that they make me question not only myself, but also the society in which I live. And it makes it harder and at the same time more interesting to live in the society among other nuts, I think however that asking oneself from time to time if one is a nut, makes you a healthy individual with perspective on life.

 

[Psilociraptor]

Hell no. My sanity is being validated every day I look at the world around me. I'm not saying I never had a crazy thought on psychedelics, but I consider myself far more grounded now than before. What's truly insane is everyone thinking we're making progress despite the impending threat of antibiotic-resistant pathogens and the increase in degenerative disease, climate change, over-population, global violence, global pollution, and the ever dwindling resource supply. But maybe if we just put a little bit more of our resources into it research, dump a little more research waste into the rivers, keep driving to work on fossil fuels, eat a little bit more fast food to work a little bit longer, exercise a little less and get a little less sunlight to study a little bit more... maybe... we can cure cancer! And maybe if we drive a motor boat down to remote locations and spend late nights snacking on plastic-wrapped food using camping gear developed via industrial means for observation, we can learn how to save the environment! And maybe if we send our kids to a school that dominates their life we will have to parent less and will have more time to work so we can afford them a therapist! We'll figure it out! We'll figure out how to get 7 billion people out of poverty and disease while also promoting cultural equality and balance in the environment. There is certainly no irony in the fact that our problems are largely the result of our solutions. We're humans. We will outsmart nature!

By contrast I'm over here saying I want to grow vegetables for a living, wildcraft biodegradable herbal medicines and spend every day with my kids teaching them how to care for the land so that it can care for them. Teaching them to get what they need so they don't have to cheat and step on top of other humans. Psychedelic drugs remind me that that's a real thing and that civilization only exists as a gaian process for sending man out into space and cross-pollenating other habitable planets via the unintentional spread of microbial genetics. By contrast I think I'm the sanest of them all

 

[anon_003]

Well, there is a blanket theory on mental illness that postulates the label of insane or mentally ill is only a "pecking order" of sorts. As in, the way society is set up, those who are not wired in an adaptable way are the ones who develop mental illness. Kind of like how we define IQ... How "intelligent" are you, according to how closely your problem solving abilities work with the tasks you will perform in schools and the workforce? An example of this is the link between modern schizophrenic people and shamans of the old.

Please do not turn this into another thread about shamanism.

Some people who have studied the connection a lot believe that schizophrenic people would have been the shamans back in the day. Back in the day, the person with schizophrenia would be told that their individuality was not bad or, it was a blessing for the community. They would be taught by individuals with firsthand knowledge how to manage themselves and their incredibly complicated psyche. Shamans were highly respected, functional members of their community. Now we just dope up all of the potential shamans with antipsychotics, teach them to react to their symptoms as problems, and help them hopefully find a part time job. Tell 99% of your local community that you are a shaman and you will be laughed at endlessly. These people have had, in a huge way, their functioning role in society as a spiritual leader withheld, shunned and stripped of them through the generations.

By this kind of definition, we are all probably categorically insane, at least a little bit, by willingly seeking out experiences that are so outside the norm. I would argue our post-industrial way of living (aka destroying our environment and indirectly ourselves and all living things on this planet) is TRULY the insane way of living.

I'm crazy and I'm proud! Say it with me people!

 

[Imonthemoon]

As others have stated - it's important to acknowledge the roots of the word itself and what "insanity" means in the context of society. When it comes to the idea of "crazy" and "insane", you are dealing with a diagnostic term for the mind of an individual relative to how they fit into a societal structure. Most often a commercial world - a materialistic realm of capitalist values and total objectivism.

I happen to think that pure, perfect sanity at all times in such a world is almost disturbing itself.

Most of us wouldn't fit the psychiatric diagnosis for insanity. Most of us function in society while indulging in our eccentricities. I see a lot of rational understanding. Logic and reason are in no short order here.

So what we go off the deep end sometimes? I think part of functioning in this world requires a bit of "crazy" outlet. We are not robots - yet we exist in a society where robotic nature is rewarded. It's important for all of us to let loose from time to time and [be] insane. That is healthy.