swimwithlove
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Does DMT have more merit than LSD? DMT is endogenous. DMT has been found in the pineal gland of rats. Endogenous LSD has never been found in the lab.
Bodhisativa said:That's like asking which is better for smashing a glass window; a hammer or a brick.
I don't have the feeling that LSD is less spiritual than ayahuasca. And it is also possible to break through to other dimensions with LSD.fathomlessness said:Bodhisativa said:That's like asking which is better for smashing a glass window; a hammer or a brick.
That is a bit vague in answering his question (assuming that is what you wanted to do) the guys is looking for a longer and more concise answer (which I probably can't give lol)...
Merit is subjective and decided buy each individual exclusively.
PERSONALLY, I feel DMT has WAAAAAAYY more merit than LSD because it was created by nature and not man. Coupling that with the fact that it is an endogenous neurotransmitters. Coupled with the fact that breaking through to dimensions is almost guaranteed for everyone given the correct dose. Couple with the fact of what intelligent precepts one witnesses on it in comparison to the psychological changes in the lSD experience.
That being so, LSD seems to be more therapeutic I have heard. It offers something slightly different from ayahuasca, something more personal but less spiritual or "other-worldly".
Horses for courses, but nevertheless LSD doesn't grow on trees or in brains... DMT however does... hehe
Yeah, they're different. But not VERY different, i think. You can clearly tell that LSD is active on the same receptors as DMT. (though LSD, like mescaline, is active on some other receptors as well) There definately are striking simmilarities, if you ask me. Unlike with salvia, for instance, or N2O, wich realy are entirely different substances.acacian said:they are differen't tools ...
dmt is perhaps a more direct contact with the 'other' for many..
..while LSD more introspective and bodily aware in the average dose range. its great for dance.. its great for art and music.. for connecting with other people.. good for understanding the interconnectedness between mind and body (probably why its so good for dancing). its great for many things that dmt is not well suited to. and vice versa ..
if I want to commune directly with the divine, then dmt is my primary tool and I generally don't even consider using LSD for that kind of experience (although it is a good baseline to be on when using dmt).
they are both just very differen't substances which are well suited to differen't situations... and as situations don't have more merit than other's, neither do the substances taken in those situations... they both reveal deep truths about reality
Yes, shrooms are VERY simmilar to DMT. But strange enough, i Always feel there's something missing with shrooms. Something i can't put my finger on, wich i don't have with LSD. Shrooms seem to go less deep, emotionally. I think i could actually manage to be completely dispassionate about something, on shrooms. While being dispassionate about anything, on LSD, msecaline or ayahuasca is just not possible for me.acacian said:yeah you are right they do have similarities.. I think it has the tryptamine structure embedded in it too.. personally though I would say something like mushrooms have far more in common with DMT visually and audibly...
the main thing I find LSD has in common with DMT is really just that its psychedelic.. and the overall traits of psychedelic visions and headspace have general similarities between substance to substance (eg trails, geometric patterns, feelings of oneness of dissolution of the ego).. it certainly doesn't feel as organic as dmt, but that I actually really like about it for certain situations
dragonrider said:Yes, shrooms are VERY simmilar to DMT. But strange enough, i Always feel there's something missing with shrooms. Something i can't put my finger on, wich i don't have with LSD. Shrooms seem to go less deep, emotionally. I think i could actually manage to be completely dispassionate about something, on shrooms. While being dispassionate about anything, on LSD, msecaline or ayahuasca is just not possible for me.acacian said:yeah you are right they do have similarities.. I think it has the tryptamine structure embedded in it too.. personally though I would say something like mushrooms have far more in common with DMT visually and audibly...
the main thing I find LSD has in common with DMT is really just that its psychedelic.. and the overall traits of psychedelic visions and headspace have general similarities between substance to substance (eg trails, geometric patterns, feelings of oneness of dissolution of the ego).. it certainly doesn't feel as organic as dmt, but that I actually really like about it for certain situations
Bodhisativa said:I should have asked this in my first post.
What do you mean by merit?
WisdomTooth said:Well to be honest everything ultimately comes from nature if you think about it, we evolved from nature and created LSD from (ergot fungus) that comes from rye and some other grains i believe so in a sense they both are pretty pure and natural themselves. LSD for me is by far the cleanest substance and experience IMO.
DMT can give you great deep spiritual experiences going beyond anything we can explain with words and most definitely can be life changing but its more of a wild un-controllable ride and insights come forth more down the line where with LSD you can ride it and learn a lot as you go and have 8-12 hours to take notes and gain more from the experience in a more rapid way.
LSD helps me understand DMT experiences and everything else better and teaches me more about myself and my normal day to day life (Assuming taking normal doses) helping me better my physical existence where with DMT is more like teaching the deepest cores of the universal consciousness/self and understanding beyond our physical existence yet its more as a slap awake in a big flash and LSD is more of a taste, as gentle push into the right direction.
Just my 2 cents