does dmt make you lose motivation for mundane everyday life activites?

[BringsUsTogether]

Recently I've come across some people at my university who have done dmt.

Their friends said that these people started out as typical straight A students but ended up as different people altogether, generally not doing as well with their coursework as they used to be because of a lack of motivation.

This is quite concerning for me. I don't want to dissapoint my parents going too much in the lack of motivation direction. Have any of you felt similar losses in motivation for mundane everyday activities such as work or school?

 

[universecannon]

Not to boast but I did good in college getting my cog sci degree, and my best semester was actually when I was taking aya or pharma and smoking changa several times a week... and microdosing harmalas or caapi/rue daily. So take that for what you will.

It comes down to the individual and what you're intentions are etc. If you're already very lazy then something like marijuana might just exasperate that if used in a certain way. I don't really see other psychedelics doing that to people though.

I do think though that they can wake you up to just how silly, pointless, and utterly insane many of our everyday activities and pursuits/values are though, so in that sense yea they can lower your motivation for these sorts of things...including jumping through hoops at a certain kind of job or at school for pieces of paper when you could be pursuing what you truly love. Some outsider onlookers might interpret this as laziness. Others understand that it's a refining of your values and interests that naturally precipitates from an expanded perspective outside of the ordinary confines of our conditioned reality-tunnels.

Listen to the clip of bill hicks talk in the middle of this song to see what i mean.
He was talking about marijunana and motivation/"laziness"

Whomp Shanti (Mr Squach remix), by Kalya Scintilla

from the album Kalya Scintilla - Remixed

kalyascintilla.bandcamp.com

 

[dreamer042]

I also excelled through university, straight A's. Was hashed out of my gourd the whole time and using DMT and other psychedelics fairly frequently, daily low-dose changa at certain points, lots of harmalas throughout, and a good solid mushroom or LSD trip at least a couple times a month.

My experience has actually been quite the opposite of loss of motivation for the mundane. After a few heavy breakthroughs I realized what a gift this eyeblink of an earthwalk is and started finding a lot more value in mundane everyday things and playing the whole life game. Not to say I don't get lazy or wrapped up, I often forget, we all do; but for me DMT is the ever present reminder of just how special this gift really is.

 

[cosmictaylor]

If your going to use these things it definitely takes some focus and integration but you can potentially have more "motivation" and be more productive if that is your intention

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

I tried college almost 10 years ago. I didn't do very well.... had trouble staying motivated and focused.

It could be coincidence, but DMT came into my like about a month before I started back in school - this past January. I pulled A's. School is back in, and so far I've got all A's. I even used one of my DMT trip reports as part of an Essay - got an A. The teacher asked us to write about Jung's theory of the collective unconscious and his theory of Archetypes, and describe our interpretation of something we've experienced in life using his theory.

 

[Enlightened_One]

It could be coincidence, but DMT came into my like about a month before I started back in school - this past January. I pulled A's. School is back in, and so far I've got all A's. I even used one of my DMT trip reports as part of an Essay - got an A. The teacher asked us to write about Jung's theory of the collective unconscious and his theory of Archetypes, and describe our interpretation of something we've experienced in life using his theory.

:thumb_up: Love it.

 

[Enoon]

I think psychedelics offer a great excuse to people looking for one in order to drop out or become consumed in other stuff. If you already think your life is going nowhere or you're fed up with school and are waiting for some kind of sign that will make everything suddenly have a sense, and then you take psychedelics - you might end up turning away from "mundane" reality and follow whatever trail of smoke your dmt trips have left you with.

I've seen people get very side-tracked, obsessed and/or confused from using psychedelics.
DMT will not magically make you less motivated or more motivated for that matter. It really depends on where you go with it. If you start obsessing about the psychedelic experience and place it over the regular waking experience, you probably won't be as motivated to succeed in regular waking life things. But this is the same as with anything you become super involved in - if it's sports, psychedelics, a relationship, videogames, it doesn't matter. They can all consume your attention and energy and so detract from what you could invest in other areas of your life. So as with anything it's important to remember (and sometimes rethink) what things you value and try to balance your life around those things.

Perhaps this will mean that you drop out of school, or it will mean that you will work harder at it. For me, quitting my PhD was the best thing I've done in all my life so far. But I'm not less motivated about every day life. I just changed my every day life to better suit me and now I'm very motivated and enjoying every day as it comes. DMT and psychedelics were a part of my path during school and during my time of transition, they helped me re-evaluate my life and where I was going. I did well most of the time in school, until the end where I realized it was time for a change.

 

[pitubo]

Recently I've come across some people at my university who have done dmt.

Their friends said that these people started out as typical straight A students but ended up as different people altogether, generally not doing as well with their coursework as they used to be because of a lack of motivation.

Did they first use dmt and subsequently lost all motivation, or did they somehow lose motivation, started dropping out and then tried dmt because of 'what the heck'?

This is quite concerning for me. I don't want to dissapoint my parents going too much in the lack of motivation direction.

The way you formulate this makes me wonder: is your motivation for studying your parents' motivation or is it your own motivation? Using psychedelics may bring up such issues, that you may have been unaware of. Depending on the intent and circumstances of use, you may even be unaware of the issues being brought up by the psychedelics.

Of course, I'm just filling in and projecting out onto you here and it's all hypothetical anyway, but the point that I want to make is that psychedelics can confront you with deep issues. This can lead to cathartic healing or catastrophic derailing, depending on how you deal with the whole process.

I don't believe that it is a mere gamble what the outcome of psychedelics use will be. Treat it like high mountain climbing or deep sea diving: there are risks and you must prepare and put in effort and accept some bruises and scratches in the process, but then you might be rewarded with spectacular views or even find treasures. If you treat it like a fun ride you might get hurt a lot.

Experiencing your experience, your reality and your self in a new way is in my opinion a valuable treasure. How to use that treasure in your everyday reality is another matter, that requires wisdom and responsibility. For those, there is no magic pill, you'll have to bring them yourself - possibly involving some sweat and tears.

 

[Orion]

I did write a reply but I realized Enoon has said it perfectly :thumb_up:

You still direct your own life. These are tools, use them or misuse them, in the end it's all up to you.

 

[Dr. Dimitri]

If you do experience some motivation loss, despite what has already been said... You should try natural supplementation, not pharmaceuticals.

For Energy: MACA, Horny Goat Weed, Modanifil, L-tyrosine,

For Concentration: Choline CDP, Alpha GPC, or even Racetams

 

[null24]

Without doubt, psychedelics are powerful substances, with DMT imho head and shoulders above the rest. The experience is potentially life changing. Unfortunately, there is very little in the way of intelligent discussion and research verified approaches to the integration of a full on, deep psychedelic experience, especially the utterly alien and hyperreal DMT experience. In the modern western culture the concept if ego death is unknown. Even for someone with knowledge, even hands on, of these states of consciousness and the subsequent re assessment of realty can be thrown for a (hyper) loop by DMT,or its even more shattering twin 5-MEO DMT.

At the time i endured my initiation, i was not a student, i didn't even have an occupation. Nonetheless, the complete destruction of my ego and the renewal of my self was a kind of personal apocalypse, pardon the Christian term, i mean that in that there was a violent destruction, a rebirth, and reconstruction. Life became so incredibly meaningless and so incredibly meaningful, that i could never fake it again. The downside for me, having jumped into hyper space cannonball style ignorant of what it was, was that it could have been terribly destructive had i had a normal, job going to, bill paying existence at the time.

This place is called a university for a reason. I stated earlier that there is a woeful lack of information regarding the use of psychedelics and how to integrate the experience into our life. However, thanks to places like this here 'university', that is hopefully changing. It was the folks that populate this nexus of hyperspace within cyberspace that gave me the crucial insights into what the hell was going on in my poor spontaneously kundalini risen, eternity glimpse having, ego dead self:thumb_up:

Anyway, what I'm trying to say, long windedly, is that barring drug induced lethargy (not a DMT side effect ) your aquaintances seem to be suffering from an inability to reorient themselves in a radically restructured world,struggling to figure out how to replace the meaning in what they once held to be significant

 

[mr Whippy]

hi there very interesting point as I feel I am doing less in my life now...less stress...less work...less spending..more time to gather knowledge...!!! I would not say it has made me lazy but I have stopped a lot of wasteful things in my life.i am actually much more productive now I have started using the spice,even if I am doing less and am giving more time to myself,the school of life is the most important university to me and I am more than certain that I have passed with an A* but I am middle aged and maybe have slowed down anyway as it took me a year and a half to fully understand...i can still pass college courses as my job requires me to be up to date on healthcare.
Lazy is as Lazy does and your true spirit if a lazy one will unfortunately force its way to the front..
regards from mr whippy.

 

[Winemaker]

So I haven't used much DMT, just a couple times. So I can't comment on the specific compound on everyday life.

However, I used to be deep in all kinds of drugs. Thankfully never touched crack, heroin or meth, but most everything else had a place in my life at some point. I always enjoyed psychedelics (mushrooms and LSD), and I found that the psychedelics really helped me see what I was doing to myself.

There were other factors at play, but I'm mostly sober now, and have been for about two years. I got through college after getting out of most things, but psychedelics have stuck around. I still dabble sometimes, but haven't done coke since a year and a month ago, and mdma is a very occasional party thing.

But lsd (I don't like mushrooms very much anymore) is my thing. I only do it maybe once or twice a year (haven't done it for like a year or so actually). But it remains my introspective substance of choice. Once a year I will go back into the introspective wonder that the paper tabs provide. It's kind of an occasional deep meditation, and helps me examine where I've come and gone in the past year, and helps me really re-centre myself. It helps me see my life from the outside perspective only psychedelics can provide. I helps me see without any bias what I've done and where I really want to be in another year.

In this way, LSD has provided me a great way to find direction. I don't see DMT being any different in that way.

In conclusion, drugs can be whatever you want them to be. They can be a complete escape from life (although you will never run forever) and they can be the 'spice' of life that really helps to keep things in perspective, IMO.