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burtonridr152

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so i've had some pre-powdered bark for about 6 months now. Does this stuff go bad over time? Will it lose potency? Can i still get the same amount of DMT out of it, compared to fresh bark? Been kinda worried about this. help me out.
 
Can i still get the same amount of DMT out of it, compared to fresh bark?
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Not scientifically sure about that, but more DMT N-Oxyde may form in older bark than in fresh one.
The only time SWIM got a good amount of N-Oxyde was with extracting quite old bark. But maybe it was the bark itself as SWIM did not have anything to compare...
 
burtonridr152 said:
so i've had some pre-powdered bark for about 6 months now. Does this stuff go bad over time? Will it lose potency? Can i still get the same amount of DMT out of it, compared to fresh bark? Been kinda worried about this. help me out.
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Swim's friend recently did an extraction from bark that was about a year old, and he was able to yield about 3.5g of nice white spice from 3 pulls off 1 lb of bark. I am positive that if he had extracted from it when he had gotten it, he probably would have yielded an extra g or so.

Although swim is no expert, he has heard that the more the bark becomes oxidized...you are unable to pull dmt n- oxide with naptha. There is a thread somewhere that was started by 69ron on how to convert the dmt n-oxide in order to extract it.

The best thing to do....if you are going to store bark is to keep it in a dark,cool and dry space and if you can vacuum seal it i am sure that would help even more......also whole bark wont oxidize as quickly as powdered bark because powdered bark has more surface area and is more exposed to air.....so based on that, i would assume that whole bark would be better to store than powdered, although like i said swim is no expert.Hope that helps.
 
oh right on. thanks for the info. 3.5g is still pretty good from a pound though. doesn't seem like age effects it too much.
 
I really think it all depends on the vendor and how long they've had the bark in their inventory and also the quality of the bark.

I think swim just got lucky and happened to get really good bark, and he just did his best to store it correctly, but i do know that after time (not sure how long) that the quality of the bark will degrade.

I know people and members of this forum that will only buy whole bark instead of prepowdered to ensure higher quality, and if one were to want to stockpile on bark....buying the whole bark would probably be the best route to go, although swims friend is a little lazy and usually buys the prepowdered.Quality of bark is usually an inconsistant thing depending on time and vendor.

Six months is not a whole lot of time, so if swiy were to extract from his/hers bark soon, it probably will be o.k. Let us know how it goes, if swiy is doing an extraction soon....i alway's like to hear people's yields.What vendor did swiy use?
 
Yes. It does in a way, but in another way it doesn't. The key here is called oxidization, the DMT will over time be converted to the amine oxide called DMT N-Oxide. This substance IS UNSOLUBLE in naphtha. This means that YOU WON'T pull it in an extraction. It will simply be invisible spice and you'll never know what potentially lurked in that old MHRB.

We can be happy though, because there's a really, really simply solution. A simple reduction with excess zinc in an acidic environment will convert it all back into DMT in about 1-3 hours.

We can also be happy a second time, since this is very easily implemented in an ordinary A/B. Just do your boils, combine the down-boiled acidic water with the plant material removed, and re-acidify the pH to ≤ 3. Then you add ≥ 20mg zinc powder per gram MHRB you had, heat it to a safe temperature to speed up the reaction (≤ 50°C is nice), and stir for a couple of hours. Filter out the zinc, and continue to the base step like usual. Most of your old N-Oxide are now in the form of DMT and therefore the age problems should be fully reverted!
I don't recommend trying this on STBs since it yields more problems than it solves (trust me on this one), but A/Bs are perfect!

If you want to keep your bark from oxidizing from the start, then the usual rules apply. Cold, non-oxygen rich and dark environment will keep your bark safe for a pretty long time!

All of this information should be readily available on this forum! 😉
 
Whole bark lasts a lot longer than prepowered or even shredded.

I had 100g of whole bark that I stuck in a box when we moved and forgot about it for almost 2 years. I was able to get almost a gram (850mgs) of recrystalized white shard spice off of it.

I highly suggest storing prepowdered bark in the fridge or even the freezer for storage longer than 2 months.
 
Has anyone tried the zinc reduction on fresh bark? Perhaps dmt-oxide exists naturally in fresh bark in quantities that would make the step worthwhile. A person could do the zinc step on half the acidic extraction and compare yields.
 
if you do that, 61-50-7, please tell us :)

I do think that a certain amount of weight from so-called jungle spice is n-oxide (and many other things), so at least something people are 'losing' if they only extract with naphtha.

btw, this question was now included in the FAQ :)
 
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