Don't trust the entities. They are not here to be kind to you.

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Thanks for the memo. :lol: :twisted:

Technically, people are entities. :shock: Trees are entities. Animals... fungi... molecules....

Lotta entities out there. In the past, I've found myself in frequent situations where I trust people, yet they break the trust, but I still want to trust again. Therefor I (my judgement) cannot be trusted! Trust is a weird thing anyways.

Who's to say anyone can be trusted?

Sounds like you had a pretty cool DMT experience until you decided that you didn't want to trust what ever you thought you were trusting. And even then, in my perspective, it was still pretty neat! But, I am not the religious type, so if I found myself yelling about "one god" - then I'd probably step back from psychedelics and try to integrate for a bit.

What if the sources that have told you that there is only one god cannot be trusted? They are entities, after all....

Take Care,
ACY

 

[hug46]

Who's to say anyone can be trusted?

Exactly.

I think that it is quite rude to call someones obviously quite harrowing experience trifling and is probably not very helpful to say that they believe in fairy tales and nonsense. I like a lot of what Nick sands has written but it is a common human fallacy to state someones opinions that we agree with to be more genuine than the opinions of someone that we don't. Especially when it comes to a DMT experience. An experience that no one can really say that they fully understand.

 

[OneIsEros]

Who's to say anyone can be trusted?

Exactly.

I think that it is quite rude to call someones obviously quite harrowing experience trifling and is probably not very helpful to say that they believe in fairy tales and nonsense. I like a lot of what Nick sands has written but it is a common human fallacy to state someones opinions that we agree with to be more genuine than the opinions of someone that we don't. Especially when it comes to a DMT experience. An experience that no one can really say that they fully understand.

Fair enough. I'll put a sock in it.

 

[Psilosopher?]

Well you claim that those entities are bad..BUT.. what if you are the bad one who was just too ignorant to understand and appreciate them. Lets say the experience is 100% real..check the facts: You go there uninvited and they greet you and you feel disgusted by them touching you and you call them disgusting, saying go away from me etc.. and then you start saying "There is no god but one" :?: man..cmmon, ofc they wont be nice what you expect? I bet that when someone welcomes you into their home you dont start conversations like that or atleast i hope. :d

I think you've messed up the order there. The OP was "tormented, belittled and disrespcted". And it was then that they noticed their malevolent motives.


OP, there are evil entities. And there are benevolent entities. Who you meet can be influenced by your set, setting and intention. Having very serene ambient music is more likey to spawn benevolent entities than thrash metal. Some entities are just neutral, but immensely powerful. Showing aggression to anyone, be it animal or entity, is bound to attract aggression.

Best way to deal with evil entities? Ignore them. Know that they cannot physically harm you, everything else is an illusion.

Perhaps you should read about Gautama Buddha and Mara.

 

[Th Entity]

Showing aggression to anyone, be it animal or entity, is bound to attract aggression.

Exactly

He thought that they had bad intentions but maybe this was not the case and he was misinterpreting their invitation, then he became deffensive and he probabbly was not able to let go, which led to bad thought loop and challenging experience. I don't know really, that's a wild guess.

 

[pete666]

Everybody approaching the world of entheogens (not recreational drugs) should accept first the experience can be harsh. He should accept it may attack his very deep personal wounds. Only then he can overcome when it happens and see the message hidden behind. If used in the right way, the message is always there, regardless how it is presented. It is just sometimes very difficult to be seen and even more difficult to be accepted.

The worst loss is when the message stays unrecognized.

 

[OneIsEros]

aaalyafei, I want to offer an apology for how poor my etiquette was. Let me try again, with a different approach.

You seem like you subscribe to Abrahamic religious systems. I think you're into the Islamic faith, which I don't know much of, but, I'll quote from the Christian faith, which I know more about, and which I believe has some quasi-authority for Muslims.

When Christ was casting out demons, people accused him of casting them out by the power of Satan. His response was that a Kingdom divided against itself, surely will not stand.

Consider that in indigenous cultures, ayahuasca is revered as a medicine. If it is healing, how is it in cahoots with demons? On Abrahamic line of thought, it does not make good sense. But, you may ask, how the heck did my experience happen?

Again with the New Testament: Jesus fasts. He goes into the desert. He meets Satan, and is tempted.

Fasting on this account is not evil - it is a practice worthy of prophets. But fasting does make you sensitive, to both good and evil. Consider, similar to Christ in the desert, how it was not until he was nearing enlightenment that the demon Mara was said to have confronted the Buddha, and to have tempted him.

Whatever the nature of what you encountered was - an exterior portal to spiritual places, or a portal to interior realities represented as exterior - I think that on an Abrahamic cosmological account, the fact that ayahuasca does seem to have a heck of a repuation for helping and healing, would probably imply that DMT is not evil - that it is probably more akin to a good thing that can increase sensitivity - like fasting.

Just some food for thought.

 

[DmnStr8]

I think that it is quite rude to call someones obviously quite harrowing experience trifling and is probably not very helpful to say that they believe in fairy tales and nonsense. I like a lot of what Nick sands has written but it is a common human fallacy to state someones opinions that we agree with to be more genuine than the opinions of someone that we don't. Especially when it comes to a DMT experience. An experience that no one can really say that they fully understand

Not helpful?! Give me a break! Deserves ridicule.. it is fairy tales and nonsense.. It's poisonous thinking...period.

I will ridicule this kind of thinking every chance I get. I don't care how that sounds. Sick of hearing about evil spirits and lame religious interpretations of the DMT experience. What we have here is someone that cannot handle the experience and points automatically to evil. It's superstitious garbage. If someone starts spouting off about their religious view I have every right to say what I think about it.

Be politically correct if you like. I think the world has seen enough damage from these religions and it is time to place all the fairy tales in the garbage where they belong. What would be helpful to this person is if they can drop the fairy tales and nonsense. That would be helpful to not only this one person, but the entire world. We truly would live in a better world if humans would stop creating gods to kill for.

So don't shame the atheist that pops in and give an opinion. This person can carry along their path of lame faith all they want. Perhaps someone else reading will not be lead astray by someone living with bronze age ideologies. Talk about living in a cave.

 

[PsyDuckmonkey]

Yep, let's not get into Bible (or Q'ran) bashing. It's an unsightly and rather juvenile thing to do. The issue is not aaalyafei's religion, it's the trip in question, and to a lesser extent, their preachy attitude - ie. the juvenile and toxic way they live their religion. (We could talk about the merits and demerits of Abramic faiths, I see where you're coming DmnStr8, but let's stay civil.)

Analyzing the trip, look what has happened...

(I) was instantly transported to an extremely inviting place.
I felt no fear, just calmness and comfort. I didn’t even try to let go, it just happened naturally.

It would seem it starts as a really nice trip indeed.

The entire experience was just that. Blissful flight through architecture. As this creature was showing me this glamorous area, it was subtly showing me the middle finger, but I brushed it off and pretended I didn't see it.

Interpretations may diverge according to whether we treat the DMT realm as 'reality' or as 'hallucination'.

On the 'reality' route, why would one assume that the 'middle finger' means the same thing for hyperdimensional elves as it does for us. Maybe it means 'live long and prosper'.

On the 'hallucination' route, I'd say this is where aaalyafei remembered all the shit they read about evil entities, like NGC_2264's grand compendium of paranoid schizophrenia. 'Wow this is too nice, I need to look for signs that I'm not being accosted by EVIL' would definitely manifest in a trip as something like this middle finger shtick, unless it drops the traveler straight into hell.

As I was there, I was smiling and saying out loud, “These definitely aren’t angels, I don’t know what you are but you are definitely not angels.”
Even though they were being lovely to me, I knew they were something else.

This is very revealing. In my interpretation, this seems to indicate vaguely that aaalyafei's worldview allows for 'angels' and 'devils', but nothing inbetween. Anything not an 'angel' is automatically suspect. This is where things start going really south for them, suspicion is on the rise, all those negative settings from reading bullcrap are coming to the surface.

That said, they don't stop! Horribly bad idea. Bad feelings about trip -> bad trip! It's causal.

They showed up immediately and didn’t even bother showing me anything alluring like the first encounter, and were hiding so I wouldn’t see them. I knew they were hiding on purpose. They move extremely fast. They were tormenting me and made me feel like I was worthy of torment. They belittled and disrespected me in a way I cannot put into words. They had sinister vibrations and auras, there were at least two of them present.

Yep, bad trip. By this time aalyafei was expecting devils, so devils is what they got. This is how it works.

The moment I realized their disturbing motives, unlike the first encounter 30 minutes prior, I immediately stood up from my laying position, they stood behind me so I would not see them. I began to say “There is no God but One” (I am a believing monotheist) and thought it would scare them off and sooth myself and calm myself down.

Now this is only conjecture on my part, but doesn't this read as if aaalyafei went back with the express purpose of confronting the beings as a crusader of God? Going with the 'hallucination' route of explanation, it sounds like a confrontation between their own unbelieving / dark side, and their insecure-sounding and confrontative part that is clinging to religion.

I tried my hardest to say “There is no God but One” but they stopped me after “There is no God” and covered my mouth so I wouldn’t complete the sentence. They physically tried to shut me up, they covered my mouth again with their 'hands', which were more like thin tendrils. I kept trying to say it over and over but they kept throwing me off and made me forget the words and were trying to shut me up once again. I could hear them in their language saying “I don’t want to hear this s***! Don’t say this s***!”

It really sounds like an internal struggle between religious belief and negative emotions that cannot reconcile an unjust and evil reality with the existence of a God. At this point it would really seem that these experiences were of aaalyafei's own inner world.

Remember, you are not high, I have done a vast array of drugs during my life, this was nothing like the sort. It was not an experience like doing drugs, you are sober and your thoughts are clear as day.

That's because DMT does not bind to the 5ht1a and 5ht1b receptor sites in the brain. It doesn't mean a whole lot. Still, aaalyafei decided to go on a rant after their first ever DMT trip telling us what to think of the psychedelic realms and DMT. Hm.

This of course is my personal experience and my personal dissection of the events that occurred.

Finally, after a preachy rant / sermon, a tacked-on disclaimer. I get why Th Entity decided to bash religions and then finish with an insincere disclaimer like this one. You get what you sow.

Anyway, based on this, I really wonder what aaalyafei's intention was with this report.

 

[hug46]

Be politically correct if you like. I think the world has seen enough damage from these religions and it is time to place all the fairy tales in the garbage where they belong. What would be helpful to this person is if they can drop the fairy tales and nonsense. That would be helpful to not only this one person, but the entire world. We truly would live in a better world if humans would stop creating gods to kill for.

It has nothing to do with political correctness and far more to do with logic and life experience. Do you really think that if there was no religion that everything would be peachy?? We would find another excuse to justify being horrible to each other when the mood takes us.

So don't shame the atheist that pops in and give an opinion.

I cannot see how me saying that "it is probably not helpful" can be equated to me shaming someone. You are over reacting. Maybe you should be asking yourself why you are over reacting to my fairly innocuous comment, rather than slagging someone who has probably had their first breakthrough and then give your opinion in a more constructive way.

 

[DmnStr8]

Be politically correct if you like. I think the world has seen enough damage from these religions and it is time to place all the fairy tales in the garbage where they belong. What would be helpful to this person is if they can drop the fairy tales and nonsense. That would be helpful to not only this one person, but the entire world. We truly would live in a better world if humans would stop creating gods to kill for.

It has nothing to do with political correctness and far more to do with logic and life experience. Do you really think that if there was no religion that everything would be peachy?? We would find another excuse to justify being horrible to each other when the mood takes us.

So don't shame the atheist that pops in and give an opinion.

I cannot see how me saying that "it is probably not helpful" can be equated to me shaming someone. You are over reacting. Maybe you should be asking yourself why you are over reacting to my fairly innocuous comment, rather than slagging someone who has probably had their first breakthrough and then give your opinion in a more constructive way.

I am not over reacting. I see it over and over. Someone comes in and preaches. Any atheist says anything at all and someone will come to protect the one preaching. Gets on my nerves. I feel my intial comment was fairly innocuous as well. But someone had to come to the rescue.

Lots of personalities in here hug46.. what you find constructive and helpful, someone else may not.

meh...

 

[hug46]

Lots of personalities in here hug46.. what you find constructive and helpful, someone else may not.

meh...

Sorry, but i disagree. I still do not get how you can say that ridiculing someone is constructive.Surely it would have been more constructive to say nothing. Ridiculing someone will just escalate things. How is that going to help anyone? Yourself included.

You did over react about my comment. And my comment has nothing to do with me rescuing anyone but more to do with measured discourse and empathy for someone that may be facing some kind of crisis. It is ok for someone to say that they met the godhead/source or that we are all one with certainty but if they talk about any other kind of religion in that fashion, they are jumped upon. It's spiritual bigotry.

 

[aaalyafei]

I never read anything about malevolent entities until after my episode. I couldn't wait to meet them I was excited and looking forward to good communication and peace and love.

From that same post which I never even read to its entirety and someone just forwarded to me:
"Through a bizarre series of serendipitous events following my confrontation with them, I discovered that they really, really hate certain divine symbology, scripture, so-called "holy" places, and other resources. I'm not quite sure how to interpret this, but I am fairly confident that this reaction is genuine and not part of the deception. They pretended to be indifferent at first, even supportive of these things, but I can now clearly sense their reaction to these things ranging from mild but obvious discomfort to injured pride to outright disgust and revulsion. When pressed for an explanation, they attempted a rather amusing excuse for this, but I'm going to refrain from going into more detail on this subject to avoid sounding like I'm pushing some sort of religious propaganda. Coming from the perspective of being a materialist/secular humanist prior to these experiences, my own ideas on the subject of "divinity" are very incomplete, and I don't want to present any incorrect or misleading information as fact."

Coincidence?

 

[OneIsEros]

I never read anything about malevolent entities until after my episode. I couldn't wait to meet them I was excited and looking forward to good communication and peace and love.

Someone else wrote this which I JUST read:
"Through a bizarre series of serendipitous events following my confrontation with them, I discovered that they really, really hate certain divine symbology, scripture, so-called "holy" places, and other resources. I'm not quite sure how to interpret this, but I am fairly confident that this reaction is genuine and not part of the deception. They pretended to be indifferent at first, even supportive of these things, but I can now clearly sense their reaction to these things ranging from mild but obvious discomfort to injured pride to outright disgust and revulsion. When pressed for an explanation, they attempted a rather amusing excuse for this, but I'm going to refrain from going into more detail on this subject to avoid sounding like I'm pushing some sort of religious propaganda. Coming from the perspective of being a materialist/secular humanist prior to these experiences, my own ideas on the subject of "divinity" are very incomplete, and I don't want to present any incorrect or misleading information as fact."

Coincidence?

Nope, not coincidence. Not real, either. Religion is embedded in culture. People pull this stuff out of the crevices all the time.

I think you might have something inside you that makes you have visions of beings giving you the finger, lol. I'd work on figuring that one out. For personal growth, and what not.

There are a plethora of churches that use ayahuasca. Ayahuasca has converted quite a lot of people to Christianity, actually, and not by scaring the bejeezus out of them - by enchanting the bejeezus in them Like this weirdo!

DMT and crosses have no beef with one another. Hah.

I find that Abrahamic religion with an absence of Neoplatonic learnedness quite frequently results in experiences like what you had, though. With or without psychedelics. :lol:

 

[Th Entity]

More people died because of religion than the holocaust or any other event, religion is limiting personal growth and experience thru setting rules, which if one doesnt follow goes to hell where he is burned for eternity, pray to god, and if someone meet him oneday, tell him that i kindly ask him to come out of retirement and do something good and help his followers, meanwhile satan is working all day long. Those entities are wise, and ofc if you dont like to communicate with the atheist entities you can always stop smoking DMT and just pray and talk to god instead and wait for his answer :d :lol:

This post is getting out of control!

 

[aaalyafei]

Lots of personalities in here hug46.. what you find constructive and helpful, someone else may not.

meh...

Sorry, but i disagree. I still do not get how you can say that ridiculing someone is constructive.Surely it would have been more constructive to say nothing. Ridiculing someone will just escalate things. How is that going to help anyone? Yourself included.

You did over react about my comment. And my comment has nothing to do with me rescuing anyone but more to do with measured discourse and empathy for someone that may be facing some kind of crisis. It is ok for someone to say that they met the godhead/source or that we are all one with certainty but if they talk about any other kind of religion in that fashion, they are jumped upon. It's spiritual bigotry.

Thank you.

 

[Xt]

My belief system or lack of is more valid than yours....
:!:

No one knows for sure about any of this. Please mind how you speak to each other.
One love.

 

[OneIsEros]

My belief system or lack of is more valid than yours....
:!:

No one knows for sure about any of this. Please mind how you speak to each other.
One love.

Granted, un-hypothetical truths are taken on faith, because we prove things by appeal to higher standards of certainty, and the final proof in the series (God) has no higher proof beyond it - but, when dealing with un-hypotheticals, it is more knowable and known than anything else. It is only proven negatively - that is, if it does not follow, nothing does.

Ahh, Aristotle... such an optimist...

 

[OneIsEros]

I dunno dude. Just chill on it. No more DMT smoking. But also, just don't think about it. Fuck it. Maybe Satan's sucking DMT heads into his realm. Weird method, but not a particularly important one or even really an effective one. Meth seems to be his golden child. If DMT is Satan's, then it's basically the Eric Trump of demonic children. Bad at doing its job and kind of an embarrassment to its daddy.

"Look daddy, I scared sum Deadheadz today"

"Dammit son, we're supposed to ENTICE them"

"Erm, okay"

"DAMN IT SON, to OUR side... oh fuck, now there's a bunch of Brazilians worshipping Jesus.... The fuck was I thinking with this...."

Worst. Demon. Ever.

 

[ajlala]

I never read anything about malevolent entities until after my episode. I couldn't wait to meet them I was excited and looking forward to good communication and peace and love.

From that same post which I never even read to its entirety and someone just forwarded to me:
"Through a bizarre series of serendipitous events following my confrontation with them, I discovered that they really, really hate certain divine symbology, scripture, so-called "holy" places, and other resources. I'm not quite sure how to interpret this, but I am fairly confident that this reaction is genuine and not part of the deception. They pretended to be indifferent at first, even supportive of these things, but I can now clearly sense their reaction to these things ranging from mild but obvious discomfort to injured pride to outright disgust and revulsion. When pressed for an explanation, they attempted a rather amusing excuse for this, but I'm going to refrain from going into more detail on this subject to avoid sounding like I'm pushing some sort of religious propaganda. Coming from the perspective of being a materialist/secular humanist prior to these experiences, my own ideas on the subject of "divinity" are very incomplete, and I don't want to present any incorrect or misleading information as fact."

Coincidence?

They are drug experiences. For those of us who are religious, it is not so surprising that the behaviour of the hallucinations is at least partly a reflection of the religious beliefs in our unconscious which is, afterall, creating the experience.