Don't trust the entities. They are not here to be kind to you.

[lsrvnt]

I never went into the dmt world with ill intent. I am an extremely peaceful and non-confrontational person. I have been so my entire life, my entire family is the same. I am well known by everyone for being like this.
I have been told on multiple occasions that I'm one of the most calm and chilled people they're ever met. I didn't go inside to pick a fight.

I am a spiritual, moral and open-minded person and I went there hoping I would get something beneficial and inspiring AND meet these beings WHATEVER they were and interact with them positively, I wanted to travel and learn from them and I wanted them to show me things that I wouldn't be able to know otherwise.

I'm not a dmt expert but those creatures are clear as day and obvious. If you ingest it correctly and at a decent dose, almost everyone sees them from the hundreds of stories I've read online. There are so many commonalities existing between countless dmt experiences when it comes to these things. Coincidence? They almost always come. It felt like they were waiting to jump on the opportunity to interact with us.

DMT unlocks something else and if you have done real dmt you will know what I'm talking about. I've done psychedelics, to even put this in the same category is ridiculous from an experience perspective.

I tunnel-visioned and brainwashed myself for over a year, reading countless excellent experiences, expecting to have the most profound and positively life-changing scenario.
I believed nothing less than that going in. Even the second time.
I was literally smiling my heart out with EXTREME feelings of peace and tranquility after coming off the first trip, completely satisfied and wanting to go even further.

I am happy to see a couple of people here seeing the real truth about these things. Unfortunately some have taken much longer than I have to come to the same and obvious conclusions. I stress the words 'obvious'. At least it was for me.

You say it is obvious that what you claim is the total and absolute truth.

Well.....if that is the game you're playing, then i can say that it is obvious that it isn't.

You say black, i say white. Now who's right?

It is truth because they physically were trying to do something disturbing to me before I stopped them and jolted and stood up. What more truth do you want? For me to lie to you and say they were trying to feed me grapes?

Game? What could I possibly be gaining taking time out of my day writing on this thread and replying to people?
I actually care and I am telling you all to be careful in these unknown territories and lands you visit and have 0 knowledge of what is there and how to move through them safely. Just because you see some beautiful things and feel light etc doesn't mean it's all good and dandy. You think everything else in the universe is just roses and goose feather? Be critical of things man. We have rapists and murderers and hitlers that live on this planet you think they can't exist elsewhere?
Maybe the criminals in that world are much more advanced and have intellect and levels of deception which you don't understand.
Like Jonabark said above, they just show you some light shows and fireworks and you fall in prostration to them. They could easily think that these primitive humans are easily entertained and quite pathetic. Let's use them for something.

yes exactly! Here and there have many similar characteristics...

I like to think of dmt as the city of the spirits. You can go to Manhattan and see many different things. Really bad things can happen to you in the city. you can be insulted, hustled, robed, raped, or even killed if you get with the wrong people. Street smarts are always important both here and there however this is NEVER to say the city is a bad place. Im sure many would claim that its not for everyone or maybe some suburbanites would say its to dangerous to go to. The city is full of wonder, magic, art, music, food, and laughs as well. the experience of these substances is a very intentional experience meaning we did it for a reason. I think the reason we have for going can seriously effect what happens to us when we are there. This all being said I really feel for you on a bad experience it can be traumatizing and hard to handle just like any real experience. I suggest meditation and warm walks in the sun

love and peace to you :thumb_up:

 

[dragonrider]

To the people doubting the existence of evil entities, why do you think that? For all we know, hyperspace could be infinitely larger than the observable universe (perhaps our universe is just a droplet among droplets on the hyperspatial fabric).

Just because one has had a fair few trips, and only seen certain types of entities, doesn't mean that evil ones don't exist.

I've had experience with them, i sought out an audience with them. I was assaulted by one of them. I've been told directly by other benevolent entities to stay away from certain other entities, purely because they were "not nice". Whether that means they are evil is up for debate. Evil entities do exist. This is not something that can be proven or disproven. Anecdotal evidence is enough when it comes to the study of hyperspace and its inhabitants. After all, all we know about entities in the first place is through anecdotal evidence.

Good and evil are not concepts that are easily translatable to other species. They may have their own definitions of good and evil. Suppose there is a deity whose cosmic duty is to destroy problematic species throughout the galaxy. And say that this deity consults their checklist and sees humanity as problematic. This deity comes to earth, and gives us all a chance for redemption. Otherwise, we face complete annihilation. Is this deity good or evil? Perhaps this form of cosmic justice is "righteous", with other powerful entities nodding their approval at our extinction.

Humanity has lived in fear and reverence of those with incomprehensible power. This is why magic, witchcraft, wizardry, alchemy etc. were seen as "evil" by monotheistic Abrahamic agrarian cultures. Even if none of those things are real, they still have soft power.

When you accidentally step on an insect, is that insect cursing you for being evil?

I won't say that evil entities are not real.

They could be real. But they could just as well not be real.
That is simply a fact.

But if indeed they would be real, the fact that they might as well just not exist at all, says something about how powerfull these beings realy would be, in this case.

And on the other side, if they would be just a figment of your imagination, you would allow your own inner fears to have immense power over you, by not simply doubting their existance.

By saying that they are definately real, you give these creatures a power they wouldn't have by themselves. Regardless of whether they realy are autonomous beings, or simply projections of your own demons.

 

[Jupitor]

Has anyone ever tried "touching" them? I grew up in a unique religion that taught in its deeper lore how to distinguish between a "good spirit" and a "bad spirit". You offer your hand for them to shake. The good ones will decline and the bad ones will attempt and fail.

After losing the religion of my upbringing, I haven't given this much thought. But I'm wondering if there may be something to it. I now believe quite firmly that the founder of this religion was quite knowledgeable in the use of plant entheogens, and used them to bring direct spiritual experience to his followers.

 

[Asher7]

Does the religion have a name or some detail that would help to trace down where or how this strategy may have originated or the principles behind why it’s believed to work?

 

[Jupitor]

Does the religion have a name or some detail that would help to trace down where or how this strategy may have originated or the principles behind why it’s believed to work?

Someday I will post a new thread about my theory in more detail. But for now, the short answer is Mormonism, as taught by its founder, Joseph Smith.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

*** removed and placed in a separate thread - did not want to disrupt the flow of the discussion***

 

[Jambo Bwana]

No. You do not understand what you have experienced. Read these articles. They are the only pieces of literature I have ever read that expressed genuine insight into what DMT experiences are. Nick Sand spent more time in the DMT breakthrough world than any human to exist in world history. That's not an exaggeration. He was the LSD chemist who synthesized orange sunshine in the 60's, and spent decades making psychedelics with religious devotion. He was also the person who figured out it could be smoked - before that, it was only injected or taken orally with harmalas.

Do not be so arrogant as to believe that your trifling experience outweighs the knowledge contained in these two articles. Any time somebody says anything about DMT that contradicts what is written here, I simply dismiss that person. Read it. Read it again. Then read it again. And again. Periodically. For the rest of your life. If you are going to even consider taking, or talking, about DMT.

Moving Into the Sacred World of DMT, by Nick Sand - Psychedelic Frontier

"Moving Into the Sacred World of DMT," by one of the most prolific underground chemists in history, is essential reading for anyone interested in DMT.

psychedelicfrontier.com

Just a Wee Bit More About DMT, by Nick Sand - Psychedelic Frontier

So the vast number of people who have met these things are all talking rubbish? One person and only one person has the right insight with their experiences? It is people like you with closed minds that have tunnel vision. I will read your links but I will take it as just another view towards this subject. Like any intelligent person should do and contemplate on. Don't shut the door. I won't either. What I experienced was what I experienced. Clear as day.

Some food for thought:
A warning to my fellow psychonauts regarding hyperspace entities (wall of text alert!)

[Report(s)] A warning to my fellow psychonauts regarding hyperspace entities (wall of text alert!) - DMT - Quality experience reports - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

You speak of a closed mind but you will not entertain the possibilty that your god does not exist, you will not entertain the possibility that these entities were trying to show you this and you are adamant these entities are evil and malicious because they want to show you a world that does not conform to your world view.
Thatt sounds like a closed mind to me.
I don't know if a god exists, if one does I do not know if he is your god?
I am an open minded and sceptical agnostic, if you will.
I am becoming slightly more open to the possibility of some form of spirituality but I would not be so confident as to satate that any one theory is bullet proof.

I have also only just encountered my first 'entity', it felt warm and welcoming.
I don't know if it was.
I don't know what it was?
I don't know if it was real or a creation of my 'high' imagination...

But if you are certain these entities were real, how can you know they are lying to you?
Has confirmation bias driven you to assume they are lying to you because their knowledge conflicts with your belief structure?
You have met these entities first hand now, you have travelled to their dimension and encountered them.
Have you ever met your god? Have you ever travelled to his 'dimension' wherever he resides?
Is there a substance on earth that grants you visitation rights to such a place or do we just have to wait until we die?
I suspect no is the answer to these 3 questions.
Maybe there's a very good reason for that, but I would start by questioning why?

 

[FranLover]

Has anyone ever tried "touching" them? I grew up in a unique religion that taught in its deeper lore how to distinguish between a "good spirit" and a "bad spirit". You offer your hand for them to shake. The good ones will decline and the bad ones will attempt and fail.

After losing the religion of my upbringing, I haven't given this much thought. But I'm wondering if there may be something to it. I now believe quite firmly that the founder of this religion was quite knowledgeable in the use of plant entheogens, and used them to bring direct spiritual experience to his followers.

This makes sense to me. All my breakthrough trips have led to beautiful entities shaking my hand to recieve and glorify me + in real life good people also shake my hand :roll:

 

[hug46]

Have you ever met your god? Have you ever travelled to his 'dimension' wherever he resides?
Is there a substance on earth that grants you visitation rights to such a place or do we just have to wait until we die?
I suspect no is the answer to these 3 questions.
Maybe there's a very good reason for that, but I would start by questioning why?

I think that there is a possibility that the answer to these 3 questions could also be yes. Are you sure that you are not just suspecting that the answer to all 3 is no because you are projecting your own idea of what you think is the OP's perception of God? How can we really know or understand what another persons idea of God is, if we do not know if we have had the same experience of the divine as them?

 

[Jambo Bwana]

I think that there is a possibility that the answer to these 3 questions could also be yes.

Of course there is, which is why I asked the questions

Are you sure that you are not just suspecting that the answer to all 3 is no because you are projecting your own idea of what you think is the OP's perception of God?

Well yes. We won't get very far in any discussion like this without making certain assumptions.
Some of these assumptions could be called educated guesses on the basis of the way our friend describes his one god, combined with my previous experience of people with religious belief.
Of course I could be wrong, which is why I firstly asked the questions, then went on to explain that I suspect then answer is no.
I never stated it or told him it would be. But I do suspect it is and I think we all have an intuition I may very well be proven correct in that suspicion.

How can we really know or understand what another persons idea of God is, if we do not know if we have had the same experience of the divine as them?

We can't and I haven't claimed to.

I try to enter all of these experiences as open minded as I can.
I believe what I am seeing is in my mind, these are largely pre-conceived ideas based on my views on the matter prior to trying DMT.
But the evidence of what I have seen and experienced, (still not anywhere near the level of others reported admittedly) lead me to believe there might be something else greater to it but I remain to be convinced.
However, reading the writings of the OP strikes me very much of someone refusing to accept the possibility that what he has seen might challenge his world view. I might be wrong but that is how it comes across.
Now that's fine, believe what you want, rightly or wrongly.
But he accused another of being closed minded (which may in fact be a fair accusation of OneIsEros, I don't know) I simply pointed out that his own mind might not be as open as he thinks and asked him a few questions that might hopefully encourage him to challenge his own pre-conceived ideas.

 

[hug46]

I think that there is a possibility that the answer to these 3 questions could also be yes.

Of course there is, which is why I asked the questions

If you think that the answers to these questions could be yes but suspect that they are no for OP, why?

Well yes. We won't get very far in any discussion like this without making certain assumptions.
Some of these assumptions could be called educated guesses on the basis of the way our friend describes his one god, combined with my previous experience of people with religious belief.

How has our friend described his/her one true god? I could be wrong but i have read their posts and cannot find any descriptions other than there only being one God. If i was going to pin my beliefs on there being a God, for me there would only be one aswell and the answer to those 3 questions would be a resounding yes.

The problem with assumptions is that sometimes they are the result of lazy thinking and rigidness.

As far as closed mindedness goes, i think that a lot of people on this thread replied quite negatively straight away , so yes perhaps they were being closed minded. Poor old DmnStr8, who threw his toys out of the pram when i suggested it may not be helpful to ridicule people, was a for sure a bit blinkered. At least OneIsEros had the good grace to pull his neck in.

In case you, or anyone else, think that i am having a go at you, i will admit that in the past i have taken the mickey out of people who's beliefs i don't feel that i jive with. I know that no-one is perfect and if they are it won't be me* but of late i am trying to approach discussions in a more spiritual and empathizing way. But i cannot guarantee that i won't again start taking the piss out of you all...

*Copywright Lemmy KIlmister

 

[DmnStr8]

I deserve the jab there hug. No worries.

You can claim the moral high ground. That is fine with me. I didn't pack up my toys, been out of town.

The whole religious debate is ridiculous to me. I have learned to just keep my opinions to myself. I won't debate someone who believes in fairy tales.

Carry on...

 

[Jonabark]

aaalyafei described his unique experience and went on to interpret it as an encounter with malign beings who seemed under his questioning and observation to betray their dark nature. He went on to offer a warning to be wary.

He is not alone in the history of psychedelic experience to interpret his experience this way. I am glad he did because I feel it is dangerous to completely ignore one's gut reaction to such encounters. He is not saying all substances or even all possible uses of DMT are an invitation to demonic realms, but he seems to feel strongly enough to sound a warning. My instinct is that he is being truthful and that there really are such dangers. I understand that some seem to have found extremely benign and heart opening experiences through DMT and I understand how easy it is to dismiss or deconstruct a message you don't like, but isn't it also possible that there is a legitimate warning to be considered?
I am thinking as reference point about the artist Pablo Ameringo who spent years as healer shaman with Ayahuasca and left his participation in ayahuasca ceremonies because jealous and violence-prone shamans were trying to kill him and he felt faced with a choice between using dark magic against them or leaving ayahuasca behind. He continued to show his experiences in his remarkable paintings, and had mostly positive things to say about ayahuasca . But he also referenced many beings who were dangerous and cruel in describing his art.
I do not claim to understand evil or know if evil is anything more than a mental shadow. But even diseased mental states, though ephemeral and unreal in a certain sense, can impose enormous suffering on other human and non-human lives.
If you recognize an animal or person or spirit as being dangerous it seems foolish to ignore that. Many have suffered from ignoring inner warnings. It is possible that it doesn't matter and death is a door. I just think our instinct for life and truth are a valuable guide.
Maybe such an encounter as aaalyfei recounts is something some people might be able to overcome, or pass through to a more positive one. Maybe a guide who can offer protection or skill in negotiating these realms could be helpful, but maybe there is no easy path to what he is looking for and maybe that is even true for others. To be open minded as many seem to be emphasizing must surely include the possibility that this was a valid warning that has worth.

 

[hug46]

You can claim the moral high ground. That is fine with me. I didn't pack up my toys, been out of town.

Let me start by saying that i am happy that you have returned to this thread but i do not think that what i said has anything to do with the moral high ground, it is simply that i have a different opinion to you. I think that people use phrases such as political correctness to shut down someone elses opinions in much the same way as people use the word racist or nazi to shut people up. I have no problem with being politically correct because when it comes to my politics it's......correct.

The whole religious debate is ridiculous to me. I have learned to just keep my opinions to myself. I won't debate someone who believes in fairy tales.

Well obviously you didn't keep your opinions to yourself, otherwise you wouldn't have stuck your oar in in this particular thread....

 

[DmnStr8]

I have been taught a lesson. Thank you!

Oh Lord!!! Please forgive me!!!

:twisted:

 

[hug46]

I have been taught a lesson. Thank you!

No thanks are necessary, but if you really want to make a difference, PM me and i will send you the paypal address for you to make a donation to the "HUG46-TOGETHER WE WILL MAKE A BETTER WORLD" charity.

 

[Fate]

On Ayahuasca I had an experience with "One of many Mothers" who told me "God is not here" and after a similar rage.. I told her to f off with certainty.. that it was the divine I was searching for.. After she let me rage and rage, she held me.. then told me she would tell me about him..

The next 4 hours were as close to a Monotheistic experience as one could have.

Any time I drink with the same group at a really high level, I go to the same place with the same entity and we continue the q and a.

I can't explain it, but even with this. I can't accept it as real. Part of me believes it, and that part I can't change, but the conscious part of me understands that I was on an incredible mind altering medicine.

I track entity reports, I wouldn't do that if I didn't think there was a chance of it being real. However, there are a lot of reasons for believing it is in your mind. Talking to 3 different people who blast off in the same room usually works. Talking to 5-6 people as they come out of an Aya circle... had one guy tell me he verified satan was on Saturn.. that really hit me hard. It only leads me to "I went in with pure intent, so I was handed the grail" which is egotistical nonsense. After more time I heard more "pure nonsense".. since then even though I have never had anything nuts happen, I still can't take it as real, unless I want to take the other peoples truth as truth.

I can say people listen more often now, and it has little to do with what I saw. But rather how I changed personally.

One of the tricks to surviving against the darkness when deep down the rabbit hole is to call out to the light, it's even in the Wiki.

I don't see what you did as being wrong, but I do believe looking for the truth is looking for the "all/God/gods/energy" that is behind our existence here. Hold onto anything loving you need too, it all helps.

It's very possible you met "true ego" which has no place for anything greater than itself.

In the end.. does it help your life? Are you becoming the person you need to? Are you burying anger in the past? Does this make you examine yourself?... those are the important questions.

 

[Mindlusion]

I have been taught a lesson. Thank you!

Oh Lord!!! Please forgive me!!!

:twisted:

The whole religious debate is ridiculous to me. I have learned to just keep my opinions to myself. I won't debate someone who believes in fairy tales.

Your smugness, cynicism, and whiny self-superiority is that of a 12 year old who just figured out the god he understood as a child, like santa clause, isn't real.

Is that really as far as you got? You just stopped thinking there? You figured it all out?

Congratulations, you don't believe in a conception of god that no intelligent person beyond the age of 11 actually believes in either. :roll: You're so embittered and resentful over something that no one is even trying to argue with you about.

 

[DmnStr8]

I have been taught a lesson. Thank you!

Oh Lord!!! Please forgive me!!!

:twisted:

The whole religious debate is ridiculous to me. I have learned to just keep my opinions to myself. I won't debate someone who believes in fairy tales.

Your smugness, cynicism, and whiny self-superiority is that of a 12 year old who just figured out the god he understood as a child, like santa clause, isn't real.

Is that really as far as you got? You just stopped thinking there? You figured it all out?

Congratulations, you don't believe in a conception of god that no intelligent person beyond the age of 11 actually believes in either. :roll: You're so embittered and resentful over something that no one is even trying to argue with you about.

Don't care mindlusion! Not one bit.

Enjoy your conversation. I will stay out of religious conversations for now on.

Being 12 isn't so bad ya know...

 

[aaalyafei]

aaalyafei described his unique experience and went on to interpret it as an encounter with malign beings who seemed under his questioning and observation to betray their dark nature. He went on to offer a warning to be wary.

He is not alone in the history of psychedelic experience to interpret his experience this way. I am glad he did because I feel it is dangerous to completely ignore one's gut reaction to such encounters. He is not saying all substances or even all possible uses of DMT are an invitation to demonic realms, but he seems to feel strongly enough to sound a warning. My instinct is that he is being truthful and that there really are such dangers. I understand that some seem to have found extremely benign and heart opening experiences through DMT and I understand how easy it is to dismiss or deconstruct a message you don't like, but isn't it also possible that there is a legitimate warning to be considered?
I am thinking as reference point about the artist Pablo Ameringo who spent years as healer shaman with Ayahuasca and left his participation in ayahuasca ceremonies because jealous and violence-prone shamans were trying to kill him and he felt faced with a choice between using dark magic against them or leaving ayahuasca behind. He continued to show his experiences in his remarkable paintings, and had mostly positive things to say about ayahuasca . But he also referenced many beings who were dangerous and cruel in describing his art.
I do not claim to understand evil or know if evil is anything more than a mental shadow. But even diseased mental states, though ephemeral and unreal in a certain sense, can impose enormous suffering on other human and non-human lives.
If you recognize an animal or person or spirit as being dangerous it seems foolish to ignore that. Many have suffered from ignoring inner warnings. It is possible that it doesn't matter and death is a door. I just think our instinct for life and truth are a valuable guide.
Maybe such an encounter as aaalyfei recounts is something some people might be able to overcome, or pass through to a more positive one. Maybe a guide who can offer protection or skill in negotiating these realms could be helpful, but maybe there is no easy path to what he is looking for and maybe that is even true for others. To be open minded as many seem to be emphasizing must surely include the possibility that this was a valid warning that has worth.

Good words my friend. Happy you and some others understood my point.
Much love