He claims to have never worked with the neurotransmission! Ever! In any way shape or form.
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Dr. Strassmans dmt documentary
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fractal enchantment said:warrensaged said:MagikVenom said:
Keep in mind these guys were doing the experiments in a average hospital room, just down the hall from the main nursing station too...loud, intrusive, unsettling-setting to say the least.
Not only that...if I remember correctly, they had anal thermometers in most, if not all the participants too!!
Talk about a (cold) bad-rape-trip...Geez!!
Those two issue in mind, plus the fact that you would have a strange doctor & two nurses staring at you the whole time & the noise of the heart monitor, etc...it's a surprise anyone had a positive experience as far as I'm concerned!!!
If I remember correctly, I think Dr. Strassmans mentioned these variable in his book too.
So you can't blame this guy too much!
WS
...so..did strassman ever dose himself?..prob not or a better locale would be chosen..
Under those conditions listed above I would say that those experiments are worthless..Part of the benifit of spice and aya is relaxation..and a meditive mindset of sorts I guess you could say.. when a study like this is done, it really cant say much about the reality of aya, DMT, mushrooms or any entheogen in the way most use it here..I would not be able to relax and meditate with a thermometre in my ass, or strange nurses walking around checking my vital signs every 30 seconds..let alone relax into any sort of trip! Those participants are damn brave! I dont blame the guy for freaking out...
I also kinda think that it's a bit biased to only use experienced psychonaughts..I think it would be more interesting to see how everyday people react, both experienced and non experienced...becasue the ones who have used psychs already may have heard of DMT and terrence mckenna and such..so it would be interesting to see how they're experiences matched up with the ones of the complete newbs..
I think that strassman should just dose himself if he hasnt already before he goes any farther..so at least he know what he is giving others.
You have to understand that all these things- using experienced psychedelic users, and doing it in a professional lab setting were not necessarily the way Rick Strassman would have liked to design the experiment. He simply HAD TO in order to get approval to do the experiment. He explains all of that in his book.
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Maybe he is just saying that to save his job..I hope so anyway..otherwise where is the real scientist in there?
"It's interesting that you got joe rogan as your narrator" "Well it's great he brings a whole new crowd in"
I WON'T DONATE A DIME. :x
I WON'T DONATE A DIME. :x
Dwhitty76
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fractal enchantment said:
i dont know if he's actually experienced the spice ( i think he has) but i'm almost 100%
that he has plenty of experience with aya.
I'm not crazy about the whole Joe Roegan thing either..... as long as they don't let him go off into any of his DMT comedic rants.
well think about it this way: usually in joe rogan's rants he expresses many opinions as if they were fact, which lead to misunderstanding from people who just follow what he says.. But, its exactly these people who will hear that joe rogan is playing a part of narration in some documentary, and they will watch it.. But this documentary is not made by joe rogan, which means it will be much more accurate.. so the people who are usually misled by rogan will probably learn much more in depth about it.. So its maybe even a good thing that he does this narration
MagikVenom
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...so..did strassman ever dose himself?..prob not or a better locale would be chosen..
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NO as far a I last read he has on intention of ever trying DMT he goes to the meditation room instead he is a Buddhist (so I am surprised no one saw Ganesha HA) House man is right never tried it never will at less he changed his policy. I cant say for sure but I dont think it had anything to do with is job. If I had a Phd I be telling all critics so shut up and get a education. I would not be tipy toeing around in a ignorant society like I do now just to earn a living as a uneducated man with skills and no paper. We got lots of papers and no skills to thats another story.
I think Joe Rogan is a amusing guy loved him on News Radio he played a ex Green Beret who is now employed as a maintenance man at a radio station funney as hell along with Phil Hartman.(whos wife shot him wiged out on coke another funny guy lost)
I must agree I have great reservations about him as a spokesman for DMT.
From what I understand it a commercial film intended to turn a profit not sure about that either.
Maybe we should just start doing positive things our selves and leave behind a note "you were helped by a DMT smoker" Get involved personally with creating the change we envision. Why wait for Strassman and Rogan to give you a cue do something thats my mode of operation.
PEACE
MV
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NO as far a I last read he has on intention of ever trying DMT he goes to the meditation room instead he is a Buddhist (so I am surprised no one saw Ganesha HA) House man is right never tried it never will at less he changed his policy. I cant say for sure but I dont think it had anything to do with is job. If I had a Phd I be telling all critics so shut up and get a education. I would not be tipy toeing around in a ignorant society like I do now just to earn a living as a uneducated man with skills and no paper. We got lots of papers and no skills to thats another story.
I think Joe Rogan is a amusing guy loved him on News Radio he played a ex Green Beret who is now employed as a maintenance man at a radio station funney as hell along with Phil Hartman.(whos wife shot him wiged out on coke another funny guy lost)
I must agree I have great reservations about him as a spokesman for DMT.
From what I understand it a commercial film intended to turn a profit not sure about that either.
Maybe we should just start doing positive things our selves and leave behind a note "you were helped by a DMT smoker" Get involved personally with creating the change we envision. Why wait for Strassman and Rogan to give you a cue do something thats my mode of operation.
PEACE
MV
I think I remember strassman dodging a question when he was directly asked about using dmt.. maybe yes, maybe not, I dont know.. in what ways do you guys think it would make a difference?
Well, i have to admit, that this is a very good point. It might give him the chance to undo some of the damage he has caused.
Rick Strassman's an academic and a public person. It is not easy to admit trying dmt because it's a controlled substance (questions of where he found it would arise from any interested parties) and he never really got permission to try dmt himself, only administer it to other people.
In some way, especially when it comes to psychedelics and how they are viewed by the mainstream scientific community, trying a strong, potentially life and thought-changing psychedelic as dmt might have skewed his interpretation. It is far easier (just for the record) to not admit doing dmt because then you convince people that you maintain an fairly objective point of view with regard to the analysis of other people's experiences.
Admitting that he had also tried dmt would result in other people arguing that he's trying to pigeon-hole the subject's experiences to what he had experienced. You cannot easily and in most cases be both the experiment and the experimenter.
In some way, especially when it comes to psychedelics and how they are viewed by the mainstream scientific community, trying a strong, potentially life and thought-changing psychedelic as dmt might have skewed his interpretation. It is far easier (just for the record) to not admit doing dmt because then you convince people that you maintain an fairly objective point of view with regard to the analysis of other people's experiences.
Admitting that he had also tried dmt would result in other people arguing that he's trying to pigeon-hole the subject's experiences to what he had experienced. You cannot easily and in most cases be both the experiment and the experimenter.
I like the idea that he is impartial, as a scientist should be.
I kind of hope he hasn't tried it... though if I was him and I had medical grade DMT fumerate and an IV drip... oh the temptation!
I kind of hope he hasn't tried it... though if I was him and I had medical grade DMT fumerate and an IV drip... oh the temptation!
I think its a wonderful idea, the small little meaningless particulars are unnecessary to factor in. If knowledge and understanding can be created and spread by donating in any way i think its well worth it. :d
Much Peace and Understanding
Much Peace and Understanding
Infundibulum said:
Indeed I completely agree. :d
Much Peace
Dwhitty76
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Infundibulum said:
I also agree with this point.....bottom line is that the film will most likely not turn a profit due to it's target market, and ridicule from the mainstream but i think the point of the film is to try and give that education to the public.....which is a good thing.
Also....the movie was not the idea of Rick Strassman but the director Mitch Schultz and if you listen to the interview, that's posted above, you will see that it will basically be a bunch of interview's with an objective outlook from people who are highly respected, not only in the ethneogen/shamanistic community but also the scientific community, and i'm sure there will also be some people speaking subjectively about their own personal experiences.
In some way's it's like they are trying to undo the damage that tim leary caused...from using spychedelics for scientific research, whether it's for understanding schizophrenia, alternative methods of therapy or helping with spiritual malady's.Undoing the damage that was done during the 60's and 70's is not going to take overnight....and might not ever happen but it's atleast an attempt, which i think most of us are for.
On a sidenote.... through personal dialogue, it's of my opinion that he has atleast tried ayahuasca because he wouldn't have been able to have made statements about certain curendero's that he highly recommended....although, that doesn't nessisarily mean he sat through ceremonies but it certainly does seem that way.
This forum has made a lot of accomplishments, and through many of it's members have made some ground breaking discoveries through scientific approach, and yes we should continue to do so.I just personally believe if we could collectively show our support to people that have parrellel goals and intentions....that it would be nice to show and give our support.
I believe it would be a gesture of gratitude to this amazing molecule and would help (if only a little) educate the mainstream on the importance of further scientific study.
If you don't believe in the idea, than simply don't donate.....if you do believe in the idea than great.....we just need to find a way to pool the $ into one account and make a donation, and know that we had something to do with the making of this educational film.
No matter how much I may have played around with the term "psychedelic" I never came up with its "spychedelic" version!Dwhitty76 said:
Just be careful how you go about doing that!
I know I sound paranoid, but that is one way to link a whole lot of people to DMT support.
Which in the mind & plans of the fuzz, equals probable cause & enough reason to assume that if you are supporting DMT research, you are probably using DMT & if your using DMT your probably extracting ("making" to them) DMT & if your making DMT, your probably selling DMT!!
I'm not saying this thought process is true, or even remotely logical to me, but in the eyes of the LEO's, DMT is no different than Heroin & that is how that attack these things.
So Please Be Careful When Doing Things That Potentially Leave A Paper Trail!!
I think it's a great idea to donate to this movie!! I also think the Gov't knows Dr. Strassman well enough to be watching him & those who support him.
I'm sure it can be done in an anonymous way or something...just be careful & smart, OK!!!
Money orders not PayPal...etc...
Ole'Man WS...10-4
Dwhitty76
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Infundibulum said:
:lol: ....wow !! either i cant spell, or my paranoia is starting to bleed through to my spelling.
Warren,
I think your right as far as needing to be cautious, mabey money order's would be best.
Either way, i think we need traveler to sign off on this idea, because no single person speaks for this entire forum and just because i think this is a good idea, it certainly doesn't mean i can make a donation on behalf of this entire forum.
I don't know how to create a poll but mabey i'll start a poll (when i get out of work) to see how many of you guy's are o.k with this idea and how many of you don't think this is a good idea and then traveler can give his seal of approval or not.Then we can take it from there.
