Dried cubes, ready to consume? "blackish in color" :/

[Psychelexium528Hz*]

After drying PCubes, it was placed in a ziplock bag in the freezer, I removed it, and it looks black in color, so I left out for a few days, some areas are wight, but most of it is black in color. There is also some blue in it aswell, the stems are wight/blue, but the caps, and some areas of the stem are black in color.

Im not sure if it is safe to consume these, any advice??





note, I placed it in freezer to preserve potency, but removed it when condensation appeared.

 

[gamesguru]

Could be intense bruising, where the dark blue looks black.

If it was black before you froze it, or you defrosted it in humid conditions, perhaps the blackness is the result of a foreign mold?

 

[Psychelexium528Hz*]

Could be intense bruising, where the dark blue looks black.

If it was black before you froze it, or you defrosted it in humid conditions, perhaps the blackness is the result of a foreign mold?

Hmmmm....I dont know, it may be hard to tell at this point ...I wanted to test a micro-dose to see if its okay...but im not sure how I want to proceed with this :?

 

[moniker]

Sounds like you just put them in the freezer before they were fully dried, mushrooms turn blue or black if you freeze them fresh....
Mushrooms should be cracker dry before freezing IMO

any pics you could provide?

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

anti-oxidize them, if possible.

ascorbic acid is said to do this.

 

[form is emptiness]

Often, if shrooms are harvested after the veil has broken, the spores will drop and get blown around, even by the slightest air movement, with spores settling on the tops of the caps, turning them black. Try scraping the black stuff to see whether its just spores.

 

[Felnik]

For future reference my personal technique is to
Put them on a screen or any surface and use a fan on
Them for a day or so. Then put them in a container with
Some damp rid granules until they're cracker dry .
I've found that unless your planning to consume
Them fresh right away the only course is to
Fully and properly dry them .

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

Often, if shrooms are harvested after the veil has broken, the spores will drop and get blown around, even by the slightest air movement, with spores settling on the tops of the caps, turning them black. Try scraping the black stuff to see whether its just spores.

it really sounds like the freezer lysed the cells.

the way he worded it, makes it seem that the color change occurred after freezing them.
spores would be on them when he harvested.

 

[Psychelexium528Hz*]

Often, if shrooms are harvested after the veil has broken, the spores will drop and get blown around, even by the slightest air movement, with spores settling on the tops of the caps, turning them black. Try scraping the black stuff to see whether its just spores.

it really sounds like the freezer lysed the cells.

the way he worded it, makes it seem that the color change occurred after freezing them.
spores would be on them when he harvested.

I tried to scrape it "the head of the cube" is black and dosnt scrape off, everything else on the cube is blueish wight. The cube seams to be devoid of any more, it seams drier that crackey.

A few of the cubes had touched a lightsource and then it started to produce a black sticky type of substance, were the light touched the cube.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

sounds like you lysed the cells, and oxidized the goodies.

 

[benzyme]

Sounds like you just put them in the freezer before they were fully dried, mushrooms turn blue or black if you freeze them fresh....

this.

sounds like you lysed the cells, and oxidized the goodies.

and that.


note: oxidation is facilitated enzymatically, even when extracted.
light, oxygen, and/or heat accelerate the process.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

would coffee berry drinks be an effective enough anti-oxidant to have any effect?

from what i read C-complex (supposedly better than isolated ascorbic) has only 2.52 times the amount of ORAC ability as blueberries. so by my math, coffee berry extract is just over 100x stronger (9.6 x 2.52 = 24.192 vs 2,500) than C-complex.

but i can't find with a cursory google how many mg of extract are in those coffee fruit drinks.

 

[Psychelexium528Hz*]

sounds like you lysed the cells, and oxidized the goodies.

That dose not sound to good, it seams like the cubes are ruined huh?

So CoffeBerries can re-oxidise the cubes?

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

anti-oxidize them.

and possibly.

ascorbic acid is said to do this, and coffee fruit extract has more anti-oxidant properties. so i would assume it would work fairly well.

 

[Psychelexium528Hz*]

anti-oxidize them.

and possibly.

ascorbic acid is said to do this, and coffee fruit extract has more anti-oxidant properties. so i would assume it would work fairly well.

Sound good, I'll give this a try thank you all

 

[LibertyforAll]

My understanding of antioxidants is that they only prevent oxidation, not reverse it.
Can anyone explain the chemistry of this?

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

My understanding of antioxidants is that they only prevent oxidation, not reverse it.
Can anyone explain the chemistry of this?

i don't particularly understand the chemistry, but i asked InMotion, and he seemed to think it sounded legit.

i really would appreciate if someone knowledgeable chimed in - i would not want to be responsible for propagating misinformation

 

[Infundibulum]

My understanding of antioxidants is that they only prevent oxidation, not reverse it.
Can anyone explain the chemistry of this?

i don't particularly understand the chemistry, but i asked InMotion, and he seemed to think it sounded legit.

i really would appreciate if someone knowledgeable chimed in - i would not want to be responsible for propagating misinformation

It is impossible to predict whether oxidation of a compound will be reversed (i.e. reduced) without knowing the redox potentials of the oxidised compound and the reducing agent.

And even then, you do not know exactly how oxidation or reduction affect the molecule(s) in question. Oxidation/reduction of a compound is much more than acquiring/removing molecules of oxygen; both processes can dramatically change the structure of molecules. And to begin with, we do not know the structure of oxidised psilocin to make any predictions, so go figure.

Also, antioxidants most often scavenge oxidizing agents, thus preventing oxidation. It is a stretch to claim that they can "de-oxidise"

To the OP; before you worry or try to solve a problem you might not have (i.e. loss of activity) try your batch first and see how things go. If you suspect activity loss try eating some more. My guess is that you'll trip balls from just 3g of what you got.

 

[Psychelexium528Hz*]

My understanding of antioxidants is that they only prevent oxidation, not reverse it.
Can anyone explain the chemistry of this?

i don't particularly understand the chemistry, but i asked InMotion, and he seemed to think it sounded legit.

i really would appreciate if someone knowledgeable chimed in - i would not want to be responsible for propagating misinformation

It is impossible to predict whether oxidation of a compound will be reversed (i.e. reduced) without knowing the redox potentials of the oxidised compound and the reducing agent.

And even then, you do not know exactly how oxidation or reduction affect the molecule(s) in question. Oxidation/reduction of a compound is much more than acquiring/removing molecules of oxygen; both processes can dramatically change the structure of molecules. And to begin with, we do not know the structure of oxidised psilocin to make any predictions, so go figure.

Also, antioxidants most often scavenge oxidizing agents, thus preventing oxidation. It is a stretch to claim that they can "de-oxidise"

To the OP; before you worry or try to solve a problem you might not have (i.e. loss of activity) try your batch first and see how things go. If you suspect activity loss try eating some more. My guess is that you'll trip balls from just 3g of what you got.

Thank you for this information. I'll try it out (micro-dose) and see what happens.