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Drug Agents Use Vast Phone Trove, Eclipsing N.S.A.’s

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The government pays AT&T to place its employees in drug-fighting units around the country. Those employees sit alongside Drug Enforcement Administration agents and local detectives and supply them with the phone data from as far back as 1987.
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www.nytimes.com

Drug Agents Use Vast Phone Trove, Eclipsing N.S.A.’s (Published 2013)

The scale and longevity of a data storage program run by the government in partnership with AT&T was unmatched by other government programs, including the National Security Agency’s gathering of phone call logs.
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Parshvik Chintan said:
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This sums up the head content of the surveillance agents.
 
It makes a certain amount of sense.

Pot is pretty quickly become accepted and legal, so the Feds are going to need something else to demonize and spend our tax payer dollars fighting.

Since there's nothing quite as ubiquitous as pot, my guess is that they start tackling a lot of smaller drugs. I bet we see a lot more DMT busts and the loss of a lot of ethnobotanical sellers in the next few years.

Get live plants now while you still have the chance.

Blessings
~ND
 
Program started in 07' iirc.

Personally, not very surprising.

The thing I'm confused about is how they use subpoenas to justify this surveillance/intelligence gathering.

And how they use these at&t employees to get the information they are seeking on a particular suspect.

And the due process of law that is most likely being shredded in the process.

But, not surprising at all really.

When you look at the history of this topic, time and time again, its been shown that is is the norm for intelligence gathering by the us governemnt.

They have their hands in all the data telecommunications methods, so the only way to preserve privacy in this type of atmosphere is to use end to end encryption, preferably pgp.

But that gets a red flag on your name anyway, so idk.

Perhaps hide the data in a vpn/ssl tunnel to mask the pgp.

IDK, privacy is dead in Amerikkka.

The quote about fascism coming to america carrying the cross, and draped in the flag. Perhaps its draped in the flag, and waving the banner of nationalism/national security.
 
So if I was to encrypt a shitload of gibberish that seems to follow a grammatical structure and send it to people it could drive some poor bastard around the twist trying decipher it.
 
The Day Tripper said:
Perhaps its draped in the flag, and waving the banner of nationalism/national security.
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National security = homeland security = state security = Stasi Stasi - Wikipedia
And if you add a secret police to the secret FISA court, you have the Gestapo. (Gestapo = secret state police) Gestapo - Wikipedia
Now all you need is the Bellamy salute and there you go. Bellamy salute - Wikipedia

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C'mon guys I'm finally beginning to lose my paranoia and hypervigilance.. Don't ruin it with this stuff, the WWIII hype with Syria is enough on it's own.
 
Since there's nothing quite as ubiquitous as pot, my guess is that they start tackling a lot of smaller drugs. I bet we see a lot more DMT busts and the loss of a lot of ethnobotanical sellers in the next few years.
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The drug money seized from pot busts pretty much sustains these agencies somewhat. I doubt that they will make nearly as much money by targeting drugs like DMT. The next drug of interest to feds should be the one that results in the most money changing hands. I would guess that the next best thing to weed is either cocaine or meth in terms of the amount of money moved due to sales, but I don't really know what drugs are hip nowadays.
 
hixidom said:
Since there's nothing quite as ubiquitous as pot, my guess is that they start tackling a lot of smaller drugs. I bet we see a lot more DMT busts and the loss of a lot of ethnobotanical sellers in the next few years.
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The drug money seized from pot busts pretty much sustains these agencies somewhat. I doubt that they will make nearly as much money by targeting drugs like DMT. The next drug of interest to feds should be the one that results in the most money changing hands. I would guess that the next best thing to weed is either cocaine or meth in terms of the amount of money moved due to sales, but I don't really know what drugs are hip nowadays.
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MDMA will probably come under a lot of heat, as will all of those analogues that are technically illegal under the FAA but no one really deals with right now.

Substituted tryptamines and phenthyliamines that make good party drugs will take a hit.

Prescription medicine abuse also will become harder.
 
I think if we keep quantities relatively small, NEVER sell it and don't go for smoalking at public gatherings (well nothing mainstream!) then they'll not be too interested.

They're far more interested in busting big coke dealers or big time party drug sellers IMO. That's where they can justify their budgets.
 
and with all that spying,
drugs are better and cheaper than ever!

anytime that silly gubbamint wages war on something it gets stronger and better.

todays professionals are highly trained , specialized,
and hardly annoyed by the snoopers, as they are simply better funded,
and certainly more motivated, while outnumbering the goose steppers!

the drug war is collapsing.
the USSA police state is a farce of a paper tiger.
its only value left is the ability to harvest cash
from the unlucky poor and minority peeps who are caught without cover.

mass surveilllance does little to affect drug trade,
beyond terror to the sheeple.


as the drug war collapses.
let us not forget the american dope stasi and its collaborators.
50 yrs of oppression and cultural genocide is enough.
DEMAND drug war tribunals for the perps when it ends,
and may we use the spy apparatus to round them up!

its now about accountability, and dogs and helicopters.
 
I have heard a somewhat different story regarding this that I would like to share. This comes DIRECTLY from a special agent for the FBI. Although this was said off the record and cannot be relied on as fact, I believe it and think it makes a lot of sense. I am no longer in contact with this person but our discussion on this topic took place about a year and a half ago.

He told me that the Feds DO NOT look through phone records to find drug dealers or anything of the sort. In fact, he claimed they never look through phone records unless it is a part of an ongoing investigation. For example, someone who has a warrant for selling heroin could easily have his phone records given up to the feds with out much more than a phone call. That being said, he claimed they would never waste their time looking through the hundreds of thousands of texts daily trying to catch people.

I have actually been lucky enough (in my opinion) to see this person actually get phone records. He claimed T-mobile was the hardest to get information from but all require hardly anything more than a phone call. With AT&T it was legitimately a five minute phone call and he had the suspects entire phone history and texts. :thumb_dow

This post is not meant to scare but actually instill more confidence. Although the government definitely has somewhat easy access to personal information, it may be easier than we think to avoid the scrutiny of the DEA and FBI. I personally think drugs like cocaine, meth and heroin will be put at the forefront of the "war on drugs" and lesser known drugs will still be relatively easy to deal with. Of course there is no way to know and precautions must be taken regardless.

Hope this was somewhat helpful and I would love to answer any questions I can.
 
Interesting...yeah. I guess that makes sense I mean who would have resources for that. And what about Europe and other parts of the world? Do you think its the same? How old records do you think they keep? It has to be sh** load of data to store...i mean everybody has a phone even homeless I think..
 
kiki24 said:
And what about Europe and other parts of the world?
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If it's voice over IP the dragnet XKeyscore is present worldwide with 150 sites.

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Also most (if not all) switches have inbuilt modules for lawful interception. They just go to the judge and tell him, you're a bad druggie. I don't think they do this with your avarage hippie, but you better don't sell 1kg of coke and talk about it on the phone. The C1A and their respective branches hate competition. :p

Almost all countries have LI capability requirements and have implemented them using global LI requirements and standards developed by the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI), 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP), or CableLabs organisations—for wireline/Internet, wireless, and cable systems, respectively. In the USA, the comparable requirements are enabled by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), with the specific capabilities promulgated jointly by the Federal Communications Commission and the Department of Justice. In the USA, Lawful Intercept technology is currently patented by a company named Voip-pal.com under the USPTO Publication #: 20100150138.

Lawful interception - Wikipedia

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Hippie countermeasurement for your mobile phone: Signal Messenger: Speak Freely
 
Keyword matching is pretty useless for surveillance purposes. Too many false positives, plus serious targets use code-talk in sensitive communications anyway.

Government agencies use network analysis and related combinatorial algorithms. Read up on graph theory if you want to understand more about it. These agencies don't employ so many mathematicians just to have them do something as trivial as counting words.

What it boils down to is that it is much more interesting to know who one is talking to (and who they are talking to in turn), instead of what is being said exactly. An added advantage of this approach is that while the contents of a communication channel can be obfuscated easily, the presence of the communication channel cannot be obfuscated so easily.

Back in the days when the US government first admitted to the existence of the nsa (until then newsgroup posts cheekily called it the "No Such Agency" ), I visited the nsa.gov website when it publicly appeared. Somewhere on their site they had a page with a list of "scientific projects" they sponsored, one of which was a big computing system to analyze "astronomical data". You see, when you look up at the night sky, you'll see a lot of black and only few white points. Put an image of the night sky into a matrix and you have what is called a "sparse matrix". So the nsa was sponsoring scientists to come up with better algorithms to process the sparse matrices.

Well what do you get when you have a matrix with the complete ip address range as rows and as columns and the existence of communications as values in the matrix? A sparse matrix with an astronomical amount of data...
 
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