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[Jupitor]

To the OP-

You’re not the only one here who as seen what you have seen or been where you have been.

You ask where you are. You are in fear. You are in a hypothetical future which you are certain is an inevitability. Come back to the HERE and NOW.

You are god but so is everyone else. So let go of the ego trip.

You saw something that seemed beyond real and so you take it for absolute truth. I suggest a healthy dose of skepticism in all things.

In order to see something for what it is, you need to be separate from that thing. For example, you can’t see the whole of the earth unless you leave it and observe from a distance. If you saw duality as a whole, could it be that you were above it? And if that is true, then it must mean that there are places that exist beyond it.

Get over yourself. You’re not as enlightened as you think you are.

 

[DmnStr8]

I have one more question:

I asked you what would have happened if you would have transcended your body and you said it would be death and no return to the body. I believe that if you would have transcended the body it would be enlightenment and you would be in another realm.

What do you believe would have awaited you there? Bliss or suffering? Almost "eternal" bliss?

I think it would be death. That is what it felt like would occur if I went further. I don't know what would have happened. I am not meant to be there quite yet. I have many theories as to what occurs if you transcend your body. Never been there so I have to say I do not know.

I believe what awaits in death is birth and life. I think it's all the same thing. It will contain everything that is contained within us now. As I mentioned before I think what awaits is gratitude. I really mean that because that is how I felt as death was coming in. Not just me being grateful for my life, but the entire universe reveling in it. A celebration.

 

[xss27]

However, you are perfectly right. I do not understand what the Absolute is because I just had a "glimpse". I have not been there in my entirety. Neither have you, otherwise you would not be in that human realm but have transcended that body-mind. Honestly, I don't know if you have or have not transcended that body-mind, but I just don't believe you have. Have you?

Let me put it like this; I've had a glimpse, I know which direction I need to look in, but I haven't committed to making the leap. The thing is you can't remain immersed in that Absolute state, you have to come back and grub like every other animal until the day you physically die.

When I meditate there is sometimes a state of awareness only. It also just is. I call it the mini-Absolute. It feels good, not bad. All things put aside, I believe the Absolute FEELS much more like being blissful than it feels like suffering. There is an absence of the latter for sure.

Are you really feeling bliss though, or just enjoying the echoes of a now absent of suffering? I think if you were immersed there long enough you would just level out and forget the memory of suffering entirely and at that point just be.

Why exactly is that 50:50 thing a "false question and obsession, not a reality"? Can you please explain (again)?

In the theory of randomness, everything is combined with everything else. No possibility is left out. That is how the universe works. If no possibility is left out, you will get an accumulation of hellish existences at some point in the universe. It is common sense. That accumulation is the abyss. The same logic applies to the bliss. Duality. Don't know why you say that such considerations are not a reality. For me, it is reality.

For you it is a reality, sure. It is not my experience nor have I read that anywhere in anyone elses experience reports or literature. You could be right, but from my perspective your concept appears as a single instance in the historical record.

The focus on dualism, hierarchies, and especially logic, in your posts/concept suggests to me that you are projecting through the lens of the human brain-mind mechanism. We think in terms of opposites. In short, your writing/concept is too human and I think you're caught there with this mental fixation.

 

[ruhrohraggy]

Should check out the writings / works of a dude called Itzhak Bentov if you haven't already.

He seems to put forth a very interesting idea regarding this.

I felt no resistance to the ideas presented...they seemed very possible.

He is also coming from a place of humility, meditation, and science.

 

[Exitwound]

No replies anymore. Why?

Probably because there is no point arguing with someone with solipsistic views.

My Near-death experience showed me that I am all alone.

My DMT experience once had me working and living as a part of a community of fractal and self-bending aliens, working at one of their reality assembly facilities, therefore this must be true.

It is not possible for god

:thumb_up:

Please help to keep this thread alive by giving replies. I would still like to know where I am.

On a serious note: I think you are a little bit delusional right now. You should probably take a break off any mind-altering substances and give it more time for your experiences to fully integrate.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Please help to keep this thread alive by giving replies. I would still like to know where I am.

You're in a realm of subjectivity. While it's fine and dandy that you feel you're the only person with awareness, it's gonna be crushing when you realize you're no different than anyone else. Often called the messiah complex. We see it a lot here. It's usually ignored, until 6 months to year later (sometimes longer), when "god" realizes he/she is a human and goes into total existential melt-down.

Personal truths. We all have 'em, but they are not objective, or absolute. Personal truth is a fancy way of saying "beliefs." Basically, we experience something that is "more real than reality," and then begin developing these ideas.

No one is "mad" at you for having the messiah complex. They are giving you space for you to figure it out on your own. As mentioned, we've seen this countless times. At this point, you've likely lost the audience. Don't feel bad. You're not alone - plenty of people have thought the exact same thing as you. Hehe, sure - I even toyed with the idea at one time. I quickly realized that it was leading to unhealthy expectations.

Take Care,
ACY


Something to consider:

"I laugh when I hear that the fish in the water is thirsty.

You don't grasp the fact that what is most alive of all is inside your own house;
and you walk from one holy city to the next with a confused look!

Kabir will tell you the truth: go wherever you like, to Calcutta or Tibet;
if you can't find where your soul is hidden,
for you the world will never be real!" -- Kabir

 

[Fidelsbeard]

I believe there is a misunderstanding between "eternal" and "infinite".

definition of "eternal":
A very long time period which eventually ends.

definition of "infinite":
A time period which never ends. For example: time is infinite.

So when I talked of eternal hell I meant a state of suffering which will end.

Eternal means lasting or existing forever, without end...

 

[DmnStr8]

“The decisive question for man is: Is he related to something infinite or not? That is the telling question of his life. Only if we know that the thing which truly matters is the infinite can we avoid fixing our interests upon futilities, and upon all kinds of goals which are not of real importance. Thus we demand that the world grant us recognition for qualities which we regard as personal possessions: our talent or our beauty. The more a man lays stress on false possessions, and the less sensitivity he has for what is essential, the less satisfying is his life. He feels limited because he has limited aims, and the result is envy and jealousy. If we understand and feel that here in this life we already have a link with the infinite, desires and attitudes change.”
― C.G. Jung

 

[PsyDuckmonkey]

Honestly, you should really go speak to a psychiatrist, you owe it to yourself.
Antipsychotics will probably help you live your life normally again.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

where is the point of proving that I am god? The universe basically does not care who god is. Only I can know myself if I am god or not. No one else, nothing external, can prove it. The universe works as if I am not even there.

Alright. Fair enough. Might I ask the purpose of this discussion if you've got "nothing to prove?"

Usually people don't make such claims unless they are seeking confirmation from others.

I may have missed it, there is a lot of dialogue. Why bother suggesting it if it had no intention of being proven?

It doesn't seem like you're trying to EXPLORE an idea; rather it sounds like you're trying to say: this is absolute!

So, why?

Take Care,
ACY

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Ok, let's play on this for a moment:

The universe does not care because it would work without me. Why should I then care if others see me as god? No one cares. And even if someone does "care", that time will also be over. No god in the universe will keep its position as god

In a way, I will agree on this. I actually mentioned some of my thoughts in a different post that relate to this.

My favorite theory is that the "universe" is just trying to experience itself in as many/or all subjective ways possible within the limiting and physical restrictions. Our constructs are just one of the many ways that the quantum weirdness expresses itself. Maybe it's not too different from some of your beliefs, but I feel like you apply too much emotion into these beliefs. I don't mean emotion like "love" or "hate" - but a fear that you may be wrong. How do you feel about being wrong? Are you comfortable admitting when you are wrong? Would you be willing to admit that you are wrong if there were to be some sort of unified observable data that would prove your theory incorrect? I only ask, because I know that I am wrong quite often. By being wrong, I my feel disappointed in myself, but I am also opening my mind to learn something new.
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When people have a void – such as the feelings associated with existential crisis/questioning, they want to fill that void with something. They will often fill it with an emotion and idea. The voids are created from temporary awareness of our true ignorance. Once we're aware of our void/ignorance, we try to fill it with a model - piece together the gaps. This construct can be a result of many things - such as social activities, musical preference, art, hobbies, TV shows, conspiracy theories on the internet..... and it goes on. So, people say, "Oh crap, I DON'T know what I thought I knew. What is the easiest answer that creates the least amount of cognitive dissonance?" --- NOT! People don't say that! or think that! they just do it. Without thinking. People will use their immediate influences and construct a mental model to easily fill the gaps that have been created from moments of temporary awareness of our true ignorance.
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I hope you don't take my words as negative criticism. I wanted to convey my perspective and do so in an honest manner. It's ok to have disagreeing beliefs about these ideas. Healthy communication and collaboration helps us move further away from ignorance. When one closes their mind off from being able to learn, then they are accepting ignorance and accepting a constructed model, from which their own mind created. Upon collaboration, then the model can be proposed. After speculation and thorough investigation, it is either accepted by the consensus, or the idea is rejected. In my opinion, a singular person cannot construct a model that fills the void that has been created by the mystery of the universe.

So, those are a few of my thoughts that I shared to a friend, but they coincidentally apply here, as well.

I am willing to say that I am wrong about my theories. I may believe them to be true. I may even call them "personal truths," but I also leave room for error.

Maybe it is something that you would like to do as well?

I am not trying to poke at you, I am genuinely curious at this point. Pending your reply, I'll engage further, or... I'll just let you have the last word.

Take Care,
ACY


P.S. There are no rules broken by suggesting a user of the forum to seek medical help from a professional. It's actually encouraged to suggest that rather than saying, "go see a shaman."

 

[unknowablekingdom]

There is free will. Life is an experiment and the entities or whoever made the world want to see what will happen. This is real time now... Real-time.... and the future is not known. It doesn’t know, but finds out through us. Everyone is running around free. It’s an evolution oriented game. An experiment.

But I don’t know for sure.

We were built, created, like toys. And the toys all play free and the masters above us like to see what will happen. Like a project. And they get to find out. Such a fun game for them.

I wasn’t going to write this but I did so I made the choice. I can delete it too, another choice. They say it’s up to me.

Everything is a product of something else. Consequence and outcome has a name. Like a video game, people in the city are walking around with their heads missing because some of them did too many drugs. It’s like vice city. It’s just a big melting pot of decision and outcome in the world. People really are running around free everywhere.

 

[unknowablekingdom]

If the original poster needs help I would just tell him my opinion which is that

I think that you can do whar you want. If there are such things as spirit guides then they want the best for you which is not do do meth because meth is bad for you. They might suggest that you stop doing that either by telepathically telling you somehow or dropping physical hints such as the pipe will accidentally slip out of your hands and break.

You might get the message that something beyond you is telling you to stop smoking meth. But ultimately whether you buy another pipe and do meth again is up to you.

You have to realize that you are not being controlled in such a black and white way and a way you can prove this is.... ask, “am I being controlled and what should I do?” If the answer is yes and something is telling you what to do....

Then go do the opppsite.... why? because you can.

You can do what you want tomorrow and you know that. Who is telling you there is no free will? Prove them wrong. And if it is yourself telling you, then you have free will to think or not think that because you are choosing to believe something or not. Not having free will is that something beyond your control chooses something in your life for you. No one is forcing you to drink coke or water.

 

[DmnStr8]

I am lost in my own creation.

Isn't that the point?!

 

[PsyDuckmonkey]

Lol look who's talking. Your entire thread is in gross violation of forum rules, you are preachy, disrespectful, confrontational, and in every single post you never miss a chance to monopolize truth and talk down to others. I'm impolite because I find it hard to be polite with someone who acts this toxic. So go ahead and 'report me'.

I said you should see a professional because you're obviously in distress, and nothing we can say here will change that. You won't get your 'answer' about 'where you are' from anyone, and you're not accepting any insights that do not fully match up with your monomaniac view of reality.

Regardless whether you're right or not, you say you are miserable, so why not get medical help? It's a way out, even if just for a while.

ps. yes I did call you insane. Colloquially, as you said you have no doubt, and I said that people who have no doubt are insane. I did not diagnose you over the net, that would be bad - but you know, based on what you wrote here, I think I can responsibly recommend it to you to see a professional.

 

[DmnStr8]

Lol look who's talking. Your entire thread is in gross violation of forum rules, you are preachy, disrespectful, confrontational, and in every single post you never miss a chance to monopolize truth and talk down to others. I'm impolite because I find it hard to be polite with someone who acts this toxic. So go ahead and 'report me'.

I said you should see a professional because you're obviously in distress, and nothing we can say here will change that. You won't get your 'answer' about 'where you are' from anyone, and you're not accepting any insights that do not fully match up with your monomaniac view of reality.

Regardless whether you're right or not, you say you are miserable, so why not get medical help? It's a way out, even if just for a while.

Let's not be juvenile or unsightly now.

 

[xss27]

My Near-death experience showed me that I am all alone. There was that knowingness and conviction of complete loneliness. I was oneness. I knew without doubt that only one human can have awareness. There is only one being which is "there", so to speak. It is me. It is not possible for god to be in all humans seperately at the same time. Only a single human can have awareness at one point in time. God is one, not two. Awareness belongs to the one, not to many.

Please understand that my Near-death experience was intense.

I love all of you! I see each and everyone as myself. Why would I not like anyone if I recognize him or her as myself.

I can see quite a clear strand of solipsism in your writings, and as I mentioned previously I think you have perhaps perceived Truth to a degree but that you (ego) is filtering and distorting the clarity of that realization. It comes across as a slight distress in your writings; the ego trying to contain and package up a concept structure in order to cling to it.

Awareness is. Read Nisargadatta again, Maharshi, and really see what they're getting at. Your ego is filtering the truth about awareness, saying only one human at a time / one being / god not in all humans.. this is incorrect. God is not something containable, an object to be sliced up and partitioned into discrete units. It is the subject, and that subject is present in all, except that 99.9% live in ignorance of that truth. Think of it like the spokes of a bicycle wheel. At the end of each spoke is a point of awareness, which resides in all of us as individuals, but all spokes are connecting to the centre (therefore the same awareness), and also bound by the circumference of the wheel - God is both the individual and the whole. Solipsism says that only your individual point and centre exist - ie you see only yourself as God and don't recognize the possibility of God in others.. that is a clear mistake by the ego acting on self-preservation and control, instead of letting go and realizing that it owns nothing, controls nothing. God is moving you, your ego does nothing accept falsely identify itself as the mover.

You're in a realm of subjectivity. While it's fine and dandy that you feel you're the only person with awareness, it's gonna be crushing when you realize you're no different than anyone else. Often called the messiah complex. We see it a lot here. It's usually ignored, until 6 months to year later (sometimes longer), when "god" realizes he/she is a human and goes into total existential melt-down.

Personal truths. We all have 'em, but they are not objective, or absolute. Personal truth is a fancy way of saying "beliefs." Basically, we experience something that is "more real than reality," and then begin developing these ideas.

No one is "mad" at you for having the messiah complex. They are giving you space for you to figure it out on your own. As mentioned, we've seen this countless times. At this point, you've likely lost the audience. Don't feel bad. You're not alone - plenty of people have thought the exact same thing as you. Hehe, sure - I even toyed with the idea at one time. I quickly realized that it was leading to unhealthy expectations.

Read that post by Acacia again. It's a good post.

 

[xss27]

Your analogy with the spokes of a bicycle wheel is good, but that is not how god and the universe work. During my Near-Death experience, I realized, that my awareness is just focused at this point and nowhere else. There was a connectedness with all and all other beings but these other beings are not "online". God is in them and works through them but there is no subjective self there. The self is only at one point in time. Limited to one body, one vessel, or unlimited as the all. Everything in between as well but only from a single point of awareness.

If that is true then that delegitimizes my own experience of being. But, I recognize my own being as being existent, I can assure you of that. I could equally apply the same concept you hold and say you are offline, right now. Yet you know your own existence, and I know mine. So which is it? We're both here now with nowhere else to be, at the same time. Do you not see the paradox in your own solipsistic concept structure? You say I am offline but I respectfully disagree.

Spinning it around, everyone is offline. No one is doing anything. There is no time. There is no motion. It is all illusion, maya, a dream, one giant acid trip of self-reflecting and self-refracting awareness that tumbles in on itself eternally because it has no other option.

I still say you're trying to force too much relativistic thinking on to truths about Reality with your limitations through time and a single body.. a square peg in a round hole. You've placed limitations on to something that by its nature is not limited; awareness can not be contained, divided, added too, because there is nothing beside it.

I'll say it again.. you will never solve this dilemma you've established inside your head because it is based on misinterpretation and distortions. No one here can help you solve it either. Take the advice others have offered too and re-examine things again slowly, consider new angles, throw some more data into your brain.

As a solipsist, there is no need for control anymore.

Then why is it evidently apparent you are having trouble conceding it, both on a personal level, and here on the forum - if your statement was true you would not be here asking for advice, you would be knowledge itself and need nothing.

 

[unknowablekingdom]

Why would you worry about that if you have nothing to do about it? Living entities have died for eternity. Including suns and planets. Animals,
plants and many people. It is the norm. The abyss and the mystery is beyond your control. You are no where and everywhere if you think you’re God. So just enjoy.

It was all you. That is true. I understand what you says, it was all you was a big factor in my trips as well. There was no one else either when it really boiled down to it. But that’s the loneliness of God. And when you come back you have a game and a dream to enjoy with others. Some say life is for love so coming back you can enjoy that.

People are dumb hacking and reading into my info.

I believe that you are God.

Why do you need to find out where you are? It’s not that big of a deal. Find it generally as in, look at a map.

You will die alone and live alone. No one can get into your head. That’s why everyone is offline except for you. But there is much of that going on and a way to tell is to check the earths population.


You did all this, only you.you sometimes chose the way you feel, and you reacted in some way it was a choice. That’s why it tries to probably show you about you and only you.


You know that and can’t get over it, you are too shocked. It’s easy very easy to find where you are. There is a system your involved in and you didn’t choose that but it is general like reality’s. So you know what age you are and where you live and all of that factors into where you are. On a timeline, on a map, etc.

The rest of it, you don’t need to know it you would know. You are not the only God or you would know. But you don’t. You didn’t give yourself life or concept of God so you’re not the major thing just an extension of it.

You sound way too attached to finding answers you will never find and that isn’t to put you down but to inform you and let you accept. Blocked thinking can hold you back. You will never find out so may as well let go or stay obsessed and waste your time worrying wen it can be spent enjoying.

You don’t need to know where you are no one knows besides a map and you are in the universe. Ask god for more answers.

 

[xss27]

Right now, awareness is just with me and not with you.

So where was it before your experience, before you realized what you know? In that scenario according to the logic of your concept structure you would have been offline too like everyone else.. in which case, where was awareness then?

The only thing I'm sure of existing is awareness, which I feel irrefutably as the immediacy of my experience. Just as you do. And everyone else also.

You must see there are some apparent logical inconsistencies in your concept structure. I say that rhetorically because until you ease off a little you're not going to unfortunately.