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endlessness teks, no heat, no aqueous extractions

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Jox

Jox

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Hi all,

I don't know if endlessness claims the ethanol, sod. carb, and vinegar tek in Eco friendly extractions sections, but to me it is a revolutionary approach.

Also endlessness suggested the same path for yopo seeds extractions.

I use the first mentioned tek and last pull do with acetone and finish off with FASA.

In wiki there is no one tek in this direction. Why?

What does endless cooking do for extractions? Did anybody tried side by side the cooking vs non cooking teks?

Could be a good idea.

I also don't cook Syrian rue, I do turpentine defat, and then cold pure vinegar steep for a day and the rest is the same: - quick easy, no extra fats and plant material, and no energy waste in real energy nor time.

I don't know where the cooking via traditional ayahuasca style fits in chemical extractions?

In Ibogaine extractions it is done on cold vinegar and by professional chemist (forgot his name) he says no yeald is higher with heat, let alone cooking.

Let me know what you guys think
 
I'd say it's just different methods or paths, each with advantages and disadvantages. Maybe some people cant find alcohol or acetone or fumaric acid, so they'd preffer another way. Also boiling is not too hard or expensive, A/B extractions are easy, a tried and tested method, so its normal people go for that. Or STBs.

When I made that alcohol/vinegar/sodium carb method thread, I based it in the existing idea of dry teks.. So in that specific case of mimosa I just took some first steps into exploring it , like a proof of concept, but I think its important other people keep trying and see what they come up with, difficulties, changes or additions if necessary. Thats why I didnt add to the wiki at first.

Anybody can add to the wiki, feel free to, if you feel this method is working well, and also adding the possibility of FASA at later steps is a good idea too. Its good to think of different ways to finish it up. Maybe another alternative would be doing a water wash on the freebase to remove most of the non-dmt impurities and clean it up , like after freebase conversion in amor fati's tek . This could avoid the need for FASA which may be a bit more complicated for some people.

Anyways, all worth a try. Keep us updated on your experiments :)
 
Jox said:
In Ibogaine extractions it is done on cold vinegar and by professional chemist (forgot his name) he says no yeald is higher with heat, let alone cooking.
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this makes sense, conversion is a function of pKa, not heat. assuming the plant cells are already completely lysed, there is no advantage to heating the solution. all heat would do is catalyze cellular hydrolysis (help break down plant cells), or in some cases, remove functional groups (i.e. decarboxylation, deacetylation, dephosporylation, etc.)

as endless pointed out, methods are always discussed in terms of advantages and disadvantages, and every approach has them.
 
- Mix Mimosa powder with excess sodium carbonate, add water to make a paste, spread it in a wide dish and let it dry.
- 3x pulls with 95% ethanol, filter the pulls
- Evaporate the ethanol
- Redissolved reddish/brownish wax in warm white vinegar, filter it.
- Mix the vinegar with excess sodium carb, spread it on a plate and let it dry
- Pull with ethanol again, filter, evap
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Jox, why don't you made a tek in the wiki? And explain how to finish it up with FASA?

So I can understand the amounts for extracting 100g mhrb..

- gram sodium carbonate per mhrb? 1:1?
- time to let the paste dry? 1 day?
- ml per alcohol per pull? 100ml?
- time per pull? 1 hrs?
- mg vinegar? 100ml?
- g sodium carb in vinegar? 100g?
- ml alcohol per pull? 100ml?
- number of pulls? 3?

As you can see I don't have a natural feel for ratios yet lol.

Thanks :)
 
hahaha some one,

you are great, I will consult you when I get to the point of puting it toghether...

btw
fasa didnt go that well...
 
Looking at this - especially endlessness' post - I'm inspired to put together a 'total extraction' flow chart, where all the possible stages from a selection of popular plant materials and the desired outcomes are all linked together in one diagram. Probably as a pdf with hypertext links to wiki, and as a webpage - imbedded?

If something like this already exists, it would be handy to know! I'll start with pen and paper and take it from there. (I may be some time :D)

Jox, fasa is tricky if things aren't dry enough.
 
Hi downfromzero,

I know of some diagram on Nexus, but to me it was not very clear to me.

What do you have in mind with the diagram?

I think it would be nice to have clear what are all possible NPS we can use, and their #s. In many countries nafta is unheard of, or very expansive.

Thanx
Jox
 
Jox said:
What do you have in mind with the diagram?
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To answer that would be to post the diagram itself!

My intentions would be to present a reasonably clear and concise representation of extracting tryptamines from plants, sort of a review article in a more graphical form. This would help people whose way of thinking is more towards the visual than the verbal.

This probably needs its own thread as a workspace.
 
Just wanted to mention that I'm a full convert to the ethanol tek. I've been getting fantastic results with it. :thumb_up:

One of the nice things about this method is how versatile it is, it's incredibly easy to make substitutions for the materials you prefer or have available and all of them appear to give worthwhile results.
 
dereamer42,

Why don't you post the various substitutes you have done or have in mind?

I have a problem that the crystals are not soluble in NPS. How do you go about it to get the more pure DMT?

Thanx
Jox
 
Jox said:
dereamer42,

Why don't you post the various substitutes you have done or have in mind?

I have a problem that the crystals are not soluble in NPS. How do you go about it to get the more pure DMT?

Thanx
Jox
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At which stage do you mean? The end freebased extract? The freebase should be but the fumarates wont be. Maybe you have excess sodium carbonate that you are mistaking for alkaloids?
 
SnozzleBerry said:
Like this (cyb's)

Inmotion was working on something similar a while back...seems worthwhile to carry on the torch :)

:thumb_up:
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Thanks Snozz - Yes, like that!! But covering more possibilities...? Looks like it might get complicated... unless it just becomes tuning of ethanol tek to each starting material 😉, with appropriate troubleshooting guidance. I don't right now fancy suggesting to anyone to use anything more toxic (for them or our environment) than ethanol, sodium carbonate, calcium hydroxide and organic (chemically speaking :)) food acids. Maybe acetone and limonene. Perhaps a tiny bit of heptane on rare occasions. So that narrows it down a bit. Especially seeing as I use ethanol for most other solvent applications anyhow...

Also,
Maybe you have excess sodium carbonate that you are mistaking for alkaloids?
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Sodium fumarate can cause occasional confusion when looking at yields, too.
 
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