Extracting freebase without naphtha

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Hi all,

I'm looking for a path to extract freebase DMT without naphtha and I wanted to sense-check my thinking. Why do I want freebase and why do I not want to use naphtha? Naphtha is somewhat dangerous to handle and it is difficult to find clean naphtha in some parts of the world. As for freebase, I understand (and I could be wrong here) that a breakthrough experience almost demands freebase.

Based on what I've picked up on this forum, I have the following options to extract DMT freebase without needing naphtha:

• BLAB (my preferred approach)
• Jorkest D-limonene + Sodium Carbonate Paste & Pull conversion
• Amor Fati's Nontoxic tek + Sodium Carbonate Paste & Pull conversion instead of clay-scraping

I also considered Q21Q21 (tek 1) and HIELO teks. Q21Q21 doesn't seem to be optimal for a vape setup, while HIELO seems to offer vapes in low concentrations, which is why I dismissed these.

Questions:

• Am I correct in thinking that freebase is indeed highly recommended for a breakthrough?
• Is my shortlist of teks sensible? Are there any others you might want to add?

Many thanks!

 

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while HIELO seems to offer vapes in low concentrations

The end product of HIELO is perfectly fine in its concentration as long as you're using a proper device (that is, not a vape pen). You can find very good info on what to look for when buying a proper device here: A 2026 sub-ohm e-cig setups guide for DMT e-juice vape

Regardless of concentration, a vape pen is very sub-optimal.

Am I correct in thinking that freebase is indeed highly recommended for a breakthrough?

No. If you plan on vaping it, it makes no difference whether you're using freebase or citrate (including citrate that you've made by adding both freebase and citric acid to PG).

Is my shortlist of teks sensible?

Yes, that's up to your preferences, but the teks are fine.

Are there any others you might want to add?

Reconsider HIELO. As for q21q21, why would it not be optimal for a vape setup? As long as the end result is DMT, how you got there doesn't really matter. And even less for vaping, because you can easily make vape juice from goo or heavily polymerized DMT, and those are less suitable for normal smoking (vaporizing).

 

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The end product of HIELO is perfectly fine in its concentration as long as you're using a proper device (that is, not a vape pen). You can find very good info on what to look for when buying a proper device here: A 2026 sub-ohm e-cig setups guide for DMT e-juice vape

Regardless of concentration, a vape pen is very sub-optimal.


No. If you plan on vaping it, it makes no difference whether you're using freebase or citrate (including citrate that you've made by adding both freebase and citric acid to PG).


Yes, that's up to your preferences, but the teks are fine.


Reconsider HIELO. As for q21q21, why would it not be optimal for a vape setup? As long as the end result is DMT, how you got there doesn't really matter. And even less for vaping, because you can easily make vape juice from goo or heavily polymerized DMT, and those are less suitable for normal smoking (vaporizing).

Thank you for weighing in!

Okay, there are a few threads going on here:

• vape pens & sub-ohm rigs: I don't have enough experiment here, but I've heard some people say that vape pens will just not deliver a breakthrough, others say that you van absolutely breakthrough with them, it's just harder. I have a Yocan Uni Pro and a 1:1 cart, so far I've had a pretty intense threshold experience and I think that I may be able to push it further, but I still don't know if I can break through on it or not. I've looked into the sub-ohm setup though and I would like to get that organised, but I will need to source the equipment from overseas (it's illegal where I am) and it will take a while before I get my hands on it. So, do you feel that vape carts are not suitable for breakthroughs?
• HIELO: for clarity, I've been doing some research with LLMs and the conclusion that I've landed on was that HIELO can only produce a low-concentration vape juice, which is why it is not fit for a breakthrough. Whether this is true or not, I find hard to tell. If I can dismiss this, then HIELO actually seems like an excellent tek to follow. My only other concern would be dosages -- with freebase, I have a good understanding of how to mix it for changa, pharmahuasca, carts, etc, but with raw HIELO juice, I think it's less obvious. Thoughts on this? Is concentration an issue with HIELO? Is it indeed difficult to dose properly?

 

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do you feel that vape carts are not suitable for breakthroughs?

It seems to be certainly possible. But then you're absolutely required to have a very high concentration DMT juice, and it's still going to be more difficult and unpleasant, as they aren't able to deliver much vapor. The same high concentration juice with a tank+mod setup would be effective with much less inhalation.

Whether this is true or not, I find hard to tell

It's not true. LLMs aren't a good tool for something that is not very well represented in their training material (plus a big chunk of their training material on these topics being from places like Reddit, where there's a lot of misinformation). It may be true with a vape pen, though.

My only other concern would be dosages

Yes, this is the main drawback of HIELO. For e-juice it doesn't matter much, as it's not possible to know your dosage accurately with vaping anyways, and it's usually based on experience and feeling. For changa it would likely not be that big of an issue either. But for pharmahuasca it's true that you won't know your dose at first, and would have to first try with a low dose until you figure out how strong it is.

It's also possible to use HIELO for the extraction itself, and then extract freebase from the HIELO honey that you aren't planning to use for e-juice, just by adding a base and pulling with any NP solvent. As the HIELO honey only has DMT citrate and water, you don't need to worry about a given solvent pulling any other alkaloids.

So, those are the tradeoffs for HIELO. What to choose depends on your preferences. To me, HIELO is the obvious way if your intention is to produce e-juice. But for freebase, I'd go with some other. You can always use HIELO for e-juice (given that it's easy and quick) and use some other for e.g. DMT for pharmahuasca. That way, you won't be vaping away the effort put into getting the freebase.