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Important! Enforcement of sourcing talk

The Traveler said:
Talk about live plants and seeds where you will grow your own sustainable garden is actively encouraged!


Kind regards,

The Traveler
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Could you please clarify further for me, Trav. From this answer, I thought that we could talk about sourcing dried herbs with no legal restrictions and where we have sourced them. I recently found an amazing organic herb vendor in the UK, with zero illegal products, by the thread I posted got deleted. Cheers.
 
Dried herbs are not live plants or seeds. It really is as simple as that.

It's for the protection of the vendors as much as it is for the protection of the forum and it's membership. Maybe a vendor only carries incredibly innocuous things like chamomile and mint, but when their local drug enforcement agency sees they are associated with an online forum dedicated to extraction of scheduled compounds from plant materials, that's evidence enough to raid them, seize all their inventory and equipment, and put them through a lengthy legal battle proving that you can't extract DMT from chamomile. It's a huge liability for any company, and one I expect most would want to avoid. Look up what happened with Bouncing Bear Botanicals if you want a case in point.

This is just not the best place to advertise such things
 
dreamer042 said:
Dried herbs are not live plants or seeds. It really is as simple as that.

It's for the protection of the vendors as much as it is for the protection of the forum and it's membership. Maybe a vendor only carries incredibly innocuous things like chamomile and mint, but when their local drug enforcement agency sees they are associated with an online forum dedicated to extraction of scheduled compounds from plant materials, that's evidence enough to raid them, seize all their inventory and equipment, and put them through a lengthy legal battle proving that you can't extract DMT from chamomile. It's a huge liability for any company, and one I expect most would want to avoid. Look up what happened with Bouncing Bear Botanicals if you want a case in point.

This is just not the best place to advertise such things
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I am truly sorry that you have to live in a reality where that could ever be a consideration for people selling chamomile and mint.
 
EmeraldAtomiser said:
I am truly sorry that you have to live in a reality where that could ever be a consideration for people selling chamomile and mint.
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That combination of pity + incredulity could be viewed as condescending, why would you be so dismissive to someone who has taken the time to read and write a very clear explanatory reply. I mean even if you don’t agree with the answer you can still be respectful.
 
Varallo said:
That combination of pity + incredulity could be viewed as condescending, why would you be so dismissive to someone who has taken the time to read and write a very clear explanatory reply. I mean even if you don’t agree with the answer you can still be respectful.
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Interesting that you interpret it that way.
I absolutely am sorry, as, by extension, my reality is coloured by that perspective, meaning I can't share an amazing supplier of the finest organic herbs with others who would appreciate them.
That being said, I'm afraid, imo, Dreamer042s answer is so wildly paranoid that I did wonder if it was to be taken seriously.
Wait. Who is that behind the counter of that organic herb shop, selling peppermint and chamomile?
Oh my God, that's Jason Bourne! Send in the SWAT team!!
 
I get that a certain amount of paranoia is necessary, but this seems completely over the top, again, imo. Surely a balance needs to be found?
Anyway, I've made my view clear, and have said I will abide by the rules as you make them, so I'll say no more on the subject.
 
EmeraldAtomiser said:
I get that a certain amount of paranoia is necessary, but this seems completely over the top, again, imo. Surely a balance needs to be found?
Anyway, I've made my view clear, and have said I will abide by the rules as you make them, so I'll say no more on the subject.
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Think of it from the perspective of the shop owner as dreamer pointed out. even if I sell teddy bears I wouldn't want my real life shop and info on a website about drugs. In UK specifically people are being accused of terrorism, raided, their electronics seized and jailed for a facebook post.
 
Sakkadelic said:
Think of it from the perspective of the shop owner as dreamer pointed out. even if I sell teddy bears I wouldn't want my real life shop and info on a website about drugs. In UK specifically people are being accused of terrorism, raided, their electronics seized and jailed for a facebook post
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The paranoia is simply off the scale. You honestly think this even remotely plausible? Maybe in the USA, where they literally send SWAT to farm selling raw milk, but if you honestly think law enforcement are going to raid a legal herb supplier in the UK because somebody is using their peppermint to infuse something illegal onto it, you must find it hard stepping out of your front door, as there is always that possibility you might get struck by lightning.
We can all imagine the worst possible case scenario for any situation, but this does not mean we should plan accordingly. Like I said, you need to find a balance, in everything, and it feels very much like we are all missing out on useful information sharing in this case, because of 'yeah, but what ifs'.
Has the scenario people seem to be using to justify this rule actually ever occurred anywhere??
 
EmeraldAtomiser said:
I'll say no more on the subject.
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What happened to that?

I think that's enough noise on this topic. The Nexus is not a democracy, rules are set by The Traveler. There's simply not a reason for the Nexus to be a store reviews website, it opens a slippery slope of sourcing with few upsides, if any. I'm sure you will find hundreds of other websites with laxer rules, and/or more adequate to share your favorite stores if that's what you want to do.

This thread is an announcement, not a place to debate the Attitude. You already have shared your view, there's no point on keeping this going. Locking it for now.
 
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EmeraldAtomiser said:
Maybe in the USA, where they literally send SWAT to farm selling raw milk, but if you honestly think law enforcement are going to raid a legal herb supplier in the UK because somebody is using their peppermint to infuse something illegal onto it, you must find it hard stepping out of your front door, as there is always that possibility you might get struck by lightning.
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Yeah, well we're not all in Europe are we? The necessary protection is the same.
 

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