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Entities In the mandelbrot set(This is some wild shit!)

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The Infinite Abyss

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From what i understand, there is a rendering of the mandelbrot set called the buddahbrot. apparently, the formula and pixels are messed with and you end up with some impressive results.

instead of the original visual rendering of the mandelbrot set----->

you end up with this----------> Buddhabrot - Wikipedia

If you look closely at some of the renderings on the wiki.... you may interpret, as i did, a series of different patterns that almost looked like faces.

i was impressed... that is until i stumbled across this------> The Buddhabrot fractal rendering method

this person claims that they developed this image with no artistic interference and that it was merely a rendering of the mandelbrot set. personally, when i look closely at this photo, a slew of faces that look either animal or supernatural, clearly pop out at me. i cannot deny that these are faces, and it is simply to weirdly obvious to be coincidence.

so i screen captured the image(the website has some kind of restriction on the photo), put it into adobe photoshop, lowered the opacity, and lined it up with another rendering of the buddahbrot from another website. when i combined the two images, the lines matched up, and some different faces appeared.....

i'm baffled... flat out

Either this is some kind of elaborate hoax....... or there are a billion more questions that need to be asked

seriously..... is anyone as moved by this as i am?
 
The Infinite Abyss said:
.... someone thinks their cereal bowl looks like the virgin mary....
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like some fat mexican lady named griselda setting up candles near it, and praying.
reminds me of the water stain under an overpass (or was it a restaurant wall?) in Chicago that got washed off, made the news a few years ago.
mexican ladies cried profusely, I just shook my head in disbelief at those idiots.

stupid catholics are so superstitious.
 
to the op: think about it.. There are thousands (infinite?) of possible visual depictions of mathematical formulas.. Its obvious that some of them will have what looks like faces.

There's also the fact that our perceptory apparatus automatically searches for known patterns. Its just something we do, so of course people see faces or whatever in clouds and everywhere else. Without pattern recognition we couldnt live, its a normal mental process.

I think that, nevertheless, those fractals are beautiful and remind a lot of visuals during psychedelic trips. What this does bring me of interest is thinking of consciousness in terms of mathematics/geometry. There is one dude called James Kent, I think, who made a quite convincing argument explaining the visuals related to feedback and 'wave interference pattern' in the mind.
 
Nature works with fractals. It doesn't surprise me that face shapes come out with certain formulas. I saw a lot of goats!

Endlessness is right that we are programmed to look for faces.

But nature is maths, so I wouldn't be surprised if the buddhabrot formula was related in some way to whatever mathematics makes faces. Once I took an enneper formula, because an enneper looks a bit like a cristate wave cactus, and I tinkered with the values on the computer, putting the golden ratio or pi in for some of the values (I can't remember which, sorry, it was years ago). Many wonderful chaotic shapes came out, but one set of values seemed to be doing something stable and interesting... and lo and behold, at some point in its procession of stable states, healthy cactus shapes emerged! Starting with a formula that looked a bit like a cristate wave mutated peyote, I ended up with a healthy peyote! Does this show what happens with natural mathematics when a cactus goes cristate instead of growing normally? Or was it coincidence? Dunno, but it was cool!
 
If you point the RCA or SVID from a digi camera into a TV and then point the cam at the TV and zoom in and out and apply different filters and stuff you can see weird crap sometimes you can see aliens and monsters and faces and cereal bowls with virgin marry in them.

Sometimes bugs evolve patterns onto them that look like faces to try and scare away other bugs and THAT is weird as jeebus.
 
endlessness.... i respect, and to an extent, agree with your point of view. i think perhaps where we differ in perspective ..... is what makes me a new agey spiritual coook(i'd prefer to think i'm just ahead of my time :)

yes, our senses are programed to recognize familiar patterns.. the question is... why?

perhaps it is a completely random evolutionary process..... i think however, that this process, is not entirely random
its possible that the reason we sense these patterns as familiar, is because we have been programmed to.
that is to say that, within the mandelbrot set, is the blueprint for all matter. Everything is made from math, and math is the language of 'god'.
Math is the foundation of all creation.

Perhaps this thing is in DNA and is made to fruition through evolution. Perhaps this thing is where our true origins lie, and that is why we find it so familiar, and is why we see the faces. Perhaps its the underlying force to all creation that science has yet to discover.

Maybe all religion, is a bastardized explanation of what lies within the mandelbrot set. Maybe we are in fact, all made in the image of 'god', because 'god' is everything, and 'god' is infinite.

The infinite nature of life, is mirrored by the infinite nature of the mandelbrot set. It explains everything from the unfathomable vastness of the cosmos, to the infinite patterns produced by snowflakes.

When i look at the image in question, i see faces of all kinds of life forms that vary from serpent, to primate, to bear, to things not of this world but that still seem familiar. My hunch is that if you were to zoom in, apply differrent filters, and play with the colors, you'd see more and more things that mimic our world and the cosmos. i believe this because of the result i achieved simply by blending the two photos.


If the original depiction of the mandelbrot set was not so mysterious to begin with, i might be inclined to agree with you. However, keeping in mind the previous, and considering that a slight alteration to the method of rendering produced the image in question, i feel that the evidence is stacked in favor of 'god'.

Unless this whole thing is a hoax........ i'm just not convinced that this is coincidence
 
Its astonishing how beautiful these are, the Buddhabrot images resemble the movement of energy through the chakra points as well as Buddhas absolutely fascinating thread.


Much Peace and Understanding
 
Infundibulum said:
۩ said:
Why do you think we're even shaped like a star?
This is the involuntary dance of the Sun song.
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Really? I thought stars have globular/spherical shape.

Or you're referring to very obese people?!?!?!
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no.... i think he's just referring to the sphincter
 
Could you really not see the metaphor I was making? Why do you persist on taking a poets posts 100% seriously? You should know by now,
that whatever pops into your head when you read these words
is exactly what I mean.8)

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perhaps it is a completely random evolutionary process..... i think however, that this process, is not entirely random
its possible that the reason we sense these patterns as familiar, is because we have been programmed to.
that is to say that, within the mandelbrot set, is the blueprint for all matter. Everything is made from math, and math is the language of 'god'.
Math is the foundation of all creation.
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Math isn't the source of anything. Its a way of attempting to describe everything.

There is nothing special about the mandelbrot sets creating images of faces. Completely chaotic programs (systems) that have very simply rules can evolve complex systems such as life like types of images / "organisms". Look up John Conways game of life. Its a perfect example of completely random chaos allowing more complex systems to emerge. This is analogous to evolution in many ways.

Perhaps this thing is in DNA and is made to fruition through evolution. Perhaps this thing is where our true origins lie, and that is why we find it so familiar, and is why we see the faces. Perhaps its the underlying force to all creation that science has yet to discover.
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If you understand how complex systems can evolve from simpler less complex systems your question is answered without any magical forces that science has not discovered.

The power of evolutionary theory offers a coherent explanation.

The infinite nature of life, is mirrored by the infinite nature of the mandelbrot set. It explains everything from the unfathomable vastness of the cosmos, to the infinite patterns produced by snowflakes.
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Life is not infinite. Life only lived on earth for perhaps over 3 billion years and if we don't get off this rock it will end when our star ends.

Again though the idea that complexity can evolve / emerge from simpler or chaotic systems explains how complex systems like buddha faces can emerge from completely chaotic math / computer programs.

If the original depiction of the mandelbrot set was not so mysterious to begin with, i might be inclined to agree with you. However, keeping in mind the previous, and considering that a slight alteration to the method of rendering produced the image in question, i feel that the evidence is stacked in favor of 'god'.
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Its not that mysterious really if you understand again how complexity can arise from simpler or chaotic systems. Really that answers the entire question without ANY need for a "god".
 
why has fundamentalist scientific logic always ignored the elephant in the room?

Throughout its history, this kind of logic has followed a very basic pattern.

1.present an idea that rationally explains the unknown
2.accept idea as truth
3.ridicule all dissent of the idea
4.Scrap the idea
5.repeat from step one

obviously this is an exageration, but the point is that this kind of logic rarely takes more than baby steps from its point of origin.
it always been the boldest thinkers that have pushed mankind furthest along in the pursuit of truth.

post number #17 attempts to refute my point of view, but it doesn't.
it simply presents another explanation that could just as likely be flawed.

the difference between our arguments is that one finds an explanation within the confines of modern scientific rationalism, and the other through the limitless possibilities of existentialism.

the simple truth is that neither can be disproven and neither should be accepted as truth. We don't know. To believe otherwise would be foolish.

even if you consider an idea absurd.... you should always consider the absurd.......
because time and time again, mandkind has found itself bowing to the absurd.

lets not forget that the earth used to be flat.
 
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