Entity encounters with lower doses of lysergamides

[Teknoshamaani]

Hello!

I have not taken psychedelics for some time now. The last time was in August last year. I took ca. 150ug of ETH-LAD, which is an LSD analog, but a little more potent than normal LSD-25. I had taken the same dose of ETH-LAD few years earlier, and much bigger doses of LSD too. However, that experience was still more visually, and kind of "spiritually" intense than most of my trips with a bigger dose. I think the reason for that was that I had had a longer break from psychedelics before that, and my mindset and inner motives had changed, and maybe matured a little.

However, this is what made me want to write about this: I had a long walk outside, and I was feeling quite stressed. I felt like everything I did, had done, and everything I was, was judged in a very hard way. I was physically tired. I felt some kind of stinging feelings every now and then on my body. Like you would if you were touched with a needle or a finger so that your muscles contract as a reaction to that. My mind associated those feelings with many things that could be wrong with me. Like if some invisible demon was hitting you and bullying you. I felt very paranoid too. I had experienced that kind of feelings many time before on earlier trips, but this time it went to the point where it was too hard to fight anymore. The torment went harder, until without even thinking more about it, I had to admit - I'm scared. The "demons" responded to that, in a same way as an older child could respond to a smaller child that is scared and goes to tell mommy. Like a frustrated "what a wimp, do we really have to start again from the very beginning, from the baby steps, I had too much expectations about you". However, after I had admitted I was afraid, I felt not that afraid anymore, but still kind of humiliated by the "demons".

Until that point, the demons were not yet visual. They were just images in my mind reflecting on each other. But at the same time when my fear went mostly away, I had a small visual experience. I felt like i was stinged with a syringe, and something was pulled out of me. Visually, it was like a dark black entity, that extracted some dark liquid from my consciousness, or body. I was not that afraid anymore, but it left me thinking, what happened, and I felt like it was possibly not a good thing. However, it never bothered me too much, it was just weird and not necessarily in a positive way.

The visual entity I saw, was the only entity encouter I've ever had with lysergamides. It happened in a very short time, but it had some similarity to DMT-visuals, as the black, liquid extractimg entity was not somewhere I could point my finger to, but kind of inside the experience, like in a different dimension than everything that we call physical objects. However, it wasn't exactly like in DMT trips as the substance as a whole is very different experience.

I hope this made some sense to someone. The purpose of this thread was not to fimd an explanation (but if you have one, you can of course write and speculate about it). Rather I would like to ask:

Have you encountered some kimd of entities with moderate doses of LSD or shrooms? The dose per se is not that important, but that you are still mainly experiencing this physical world and the encounter is more or less unexpected compared to the characteristics of the trip in general.

Have you had similar experiences as I have (similar entities, or similar emotional or visual responses, or similar feelings after admitting fear, etc.)?

If you have experienced something like that what are your reflections and possible explanations from you own perspective?

 

[Seeingisbelieving]

Hi, how are you TEKNOshomaani? I have created a thread detailing my own psychotic episodes and delusions here. Before posting I ask you to please read the guidelines regarding passing judgement on others. I have even linked some recent academic articles that give somewhat of an explanation why psychedelics put us in a fragile state resembling early stages of psychosis. We all come down eventually (most of us anyways) but I believe it helps if we are honest about admitting that our minds can be tricked when on these substances. I am going to ask a moderator now if they can move my thread over to the welcome discussion so newcomers such as yourself can post in it. Your experience sounds very intense and I am sure it was very confusing to you. Just know that a particular group of us here are having these types of experiences and you are not alone.

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Hello Teknoshamaani!

I have decided never to take these substances when physically tired. I think one of the most important things if you want to build up spiritual solidity is to have a clear head and strength to stand your ground when you go deeper into the hyperspace.

I believe the entities manifest aspects of your psyche. Although they may seem powerful, they are something you can come into terms with. They may intimidate you as they usually remain in the shadow and you have no experience of dealing with them in this way. However as you build up good habits, cultivate positive mindset, have a comfortable and nice environment for the taking the sacred journey and moderate your doses, you will give less attention to the lower entities and encounter those that resonate better with your spirit.

It's like going to a new place as a kid. You are curious about everything but there are lots of things that may scare you. Take your time to adjust to the environment. Don't be fooled by tricks and listen to your intuition if you feel something is off.

Best luck

 

[Teknoshamaani]

Hi, how are you TEKNOshomaani? I have created a thread detailing my own psychotic episodes and delusions here. Before posting I ask you to please read the guidelines regarding passing judgement on others. I have even linked some recent academic articles that give somewhat of an explanation why psychedelics put us in a fragile state resembling early stages of psychosis. We all come down eventually (most of us anyways) but I believe it helps if we are honest about admitting that our minds can be tricked when on these substances. I am going to ask a moderator now if they can move my thread over to the welcome discussion so newcomers such as yourself can post in it. Your experience sounds very intense and I am sure it was very confusing to you. Just know that a particular group of us here are having these types of experiences and you are not alone.

Thank you for asking to move the thread, that seemed quite interesting. It was somewhat confusing experience indeed, however, I've had a lot of experiences which had left me confused or even paranoid and delusional for a long time after the trip. Of course I can never know if it was actually good or bad thing, but in the end, that trip was maybe more liberating in some sense. It felt like some doors were opened that had been closed from me since some earlier trips. I re-experieced same kind of states that I had had when I combinated LSD and nitrous for the first few times. There was a time when I was completely unable to have those effects, no matter how big was the dose.

The delusions I mentioned started after heavy doses of LSD, and they got worse when I took heavy doses and combos like LSD + nitrous + piracetam + weed. It's possible that wasn't very wise, but I often rejected my feelings of fear, and intentionally tried to jump to the deep end of the pool instead of making everything easy for myself. My logic was, that if I only trip on my comfort-zone I can never face all the emotions that I must anyway go through before I die. But now that I think about it, it's not necessary to make your life too hard. It's good to trip on physically a safe place, but I think its not good to emotionally attach to some trip-stopping pills or tripsitters, as there will be a time in your life, when those are not available, or are, but they can't help you anymore. The delusion were supported by many strange synchronicity experiences, and some actual disturbing by a non-diagnosed schizophrenic neighbor who was able to gaslight me about my own sanity (and he was related to some of the syncronisities).
My delusions (or intrusive thoughts, as I was aware of them being irrational) were related to reading thoughts. I felt like everyone could read my thought like an open book nd there was no privacy in any place. Thus, all kind of nasty, disgusting and horrible thoughts came to my mind (relating to all kind of criminal and unethical things that I consider wrong). You know, you can't supress your thoughts. If everyone listens to them, and you don't want to think about anything nasty, that only makes you think about something nasty literally all the time. It took some time and some religious procedures to overcome that problem, but I think that latest trip did not make it any worse, but maybe even the opposite.

But the purpose of this thread was more about sharing information about unexpected entity-encounters, rather than seeking help, as it's not a big problem anymore. Also, some times, in mystical experiences is better to not seek explanations or help, but to trust (and/or think critically about) your own reasoning. If someone else helps, you have to be extra careful, on what and who do you trust, as giving other people that power or responsibility, you leave yourself vulnerable for many kinds of abuse, unhealthy emotional attachments, curses, manipulation etc. And it can be intemtional or unintentional too.

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Weed is by the way something that can trigger paranoia. It's good for reducing nausea, but I recommend exploring the headspace without it.

Also, if you retain a certainly degree of clear headedness you can learn to not to follow the paranoid feelings and impulses. Just put some music on for grounding and tell yourself you are too tired to go that way. It's perfectly legitimate

 

[Teknoshamaani]

Hello Teknoshamaani!

I have decided never to take these substances when physically tired. I think one of the most important things if you want to build up spiritual solidity is to have a clear head and strength to stand your ground when you go deeper into the hyperspace.

I believe the entities manifest aspects of your psyche. Although they may seem powerful, they are something you can come into terms with. They may intimidate you as they usually remain in the shadow and you have no experience of dealing with them in this way. However as you build up good habits, cultivate positive mindset, have a comfortable and nice environment for the taking the sacred journey and moderate your doses, you will give less attention to the lower entities and encounter those that resonate better with your spirit.

It's like going to a new place as a kid. You are curious about everything but there are lots of things that may scare you. Take your time to adjust to the environment. Don't be fooled by tricks and listen to your intuition if you feel something is off.

Best luck

This is true. But lysergamides often cause a long trip, and you can get tired even if you wasn't tired initially. Also I often feel like that the physical effects of psychedelics themselves make me feel weak. A lot of bodyload combined to a long walk may not always be the best. But that's why I actually ended up walking. I was tripping very hard. And I could have never expected that I would trip that hard, as the dose was very moderate compared to the surprisingly heavy effects. I had to get home to trip in a comfortable place.

 

[Teknoshamaani]

Weed is by the way something that can trigger paranoia. It's good for reducing nausea, but I recommend exploring the headspace without it.

Also, if you retain a certainly degree of clear headedness you can learn to not to follow the paranoid feelings and impulses. Just put some music on for grounding and tell yourself you are too tired to go that way. It's perfectly legitimate

I've noticed that too. Personally, weed makes me believe a lot more on my thoughts and interpretations. During that trip however, I did not smoke weed. Also, music may sometimes have that grounding effect. But almost no matter what technique is used for grounding, if the paranoia is bad enough, it can be very hard.

 

[Seeingisbelieving]

Hi, how are you TEKNOshomaani? I have created a thread detailing my own psychotic episodes and delusions here. Before posting I ask you to please read the guidelines regarding passing judgement on others. I have even linked some recent academic articles that give somewhat of an explanation why psychedelics put us in a fragile state resembling early stages of psychosis. We all come down eventually (most of us anyways) but I believe it helps if we are honest about admitting that our minds can be tricked when on these substances. I am going to ask a moderator now if they can move my thread over to the welcome discussion so newcomers such as yourself can post in it. Your experience sounds very intense and I am sure it was very confusing to you. Just know that a particular group of us here are having these types of experiences and you are not alone.

Thank you for asking to move the thread, that seemed quite interesting. It was somewhat confusing experience indeed, however, I've had a lot of experiences which had left me confused or even paranoid and delusional for a long time after the trip. Of course I can never know if it was actually good or bad thing, but in the end, that trip was maybe more liberating in some sense. It felt like some doors were opened that had been closed from me since some earlier trips. I re-experieced same kind of states that I had had when I combinated LSD and nitrous for the first few times. There was a time when I was completely unable to have those effects, no matter how big was the dose.

The delusions I mentioned started after heavy doses of LSD, and they got worse when I took heavy doses and combos like LSD + nitrous + piracetam + weed. It's possible that wasn't very wise, but I often rejected my feelings of fear, and intentionally tried to jump to the deep end of the pool instead of making everything easy for myself. My logic was, that if I only trip on my comfort-zone I can never face all the emotions that I must anyway go through before I die. But now that I think about it, it's not necessary to make your life too hard. It's good to trip on physically a safe place, but I think its not good to emotionally attach to some trip-stopping pills or tripsitters, as there will be a time in your life, when those are not available, or are, but they can't help you anymore. The delusion were supported by many strange synchronicity experiences, and some actual disturbing by a non-diagnosed schizophrenic neighbor who was able to gaslight me about my own sanity (and he was related to some of the syncronisities).
My delusions (or intrusive thoughts, as I was aware of them being irrational) were related to reading thoughts. I felt like everyone could read my thought like an open book nd there was no privacy in any place. Thus, all kind of nasty, disgusting and horrible thoughts came to my mind (relating to all kind of criminal and unethical things that I consider wrong). You know, you can't supress your thoughts. If everyone listens to them, and you don't want to think about anything nasty, that only makes you think about something nasty literally all the time. It took some time and some religious procedures to overcome that problem, but I think that latest trip did not make it any worse, but maybe even the opposite.

But the purpose of this thread was more about sharing information about unexpected entity-encounters, rather than seeking help, as it's not a big problem anymore. Also, some times, in mystical experiences is better to not seek explanations or help, but to trust (and/or think critically about) your own reasoning. If someone else helps, you have to be extra careful, on what and who do you trust, as giving other people that power or responsibility, you leave yourself vulnerable for many kinds of abuse, unhealthy emotional attachments, curses, manipulation etc. And it can be intemtional or unintentional too.

Thank you for sharing your experience btw! I'm sorry if it seemed I was questioning your beliefs. This is explicitly why I ask for no judgement in my thread. I am not here to tell you your experience wasn't "spiritual", "mystical" or "meaningful". I just wanted you to be aware of my thread and I wanted you to know that there are a group of us that have had unusual experiences that have lead to delusional thoughts and believe by shining awareness on that aspect, integration is more plausible. (we also might be able to help inexperienced users by showing our own mistakes and mishaps) It seems to me like you have a handle on it though! Thanks for your time.