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smilingblock said:
Great thread. For what it's worth, here is the hierarchy or entities as related by Pablo Amaringo in one of his books "The Ayahuasca Visions of Pablo Amaring"

Pablo's spirit heirarchy

Serphim
Cherubim
Principalities
Thrones
Archangels
Angels
Archons
Sylphs
Dryads
Nymphs
Water Nymphs
Fairies
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- I really love Pablo's paintings. I think you may have answered a question I have always had about his paintings.

I deeply resonate with most of Pablo's work, except for the Fairies, Nymphs, mermaids. I have never seen any of this stuff on Ayahuasca, but I have seen angels and archangels. Honestly not sure what Sylphs, Dryads or Archons are, so I will do a bit of research and find out more about it..

I do know that "Fairies" are generally considered to be Elemental beings or non-angelic, non-demonic beings that are inorganic co-inhabitants of this world. They are known to have a strong dislike of most people and they tend to be serious tricksters. The Torah explicitly forbids dealing with these types of beings on any serious basis as they are predatory by nature and tend to have ties to demonic spirit. Elemental beings are generally used by sorcerers with bad intentions in order to accomplish dark side magic.

Personally the elemental beings do not like me. Salvia has shown me this fact.


Brick laya wrote:
this is just my opinion so don't take it as concrete truth obviously...i know the experiences are incredibly subjective..but i feel the entities - negative or positive vibed..are there to help you they're not your enemy. if you don't let them in thats when they can get a bit nasty. you shouldn't have to fight them off if you surrender to them in the first place .. the negative entities i've encountered have always been negative for a good reason. they are usually showing me something that i'm doing wrong in my life. if i ignore them i have a very hostile feeling experience, but if i pay my full attention to them, they usually end up showing me something incredibly important about my actions, and end up treating me with positivity if i listen to them and don't fight
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Are you certain what you are taking about is Demonic or dark entities? because I have had angelic entities show me the bad in myself for sure, and they get "mad" when you try to ignore them. The only way demonic spirits have ever helped is by pushing me to my limits of endurance by being my perfect enemy and forcing me to become a worthy opponent, like the saying, what does not kill you makes you stronger.


- I personally believe the Demonic forces are the means by which the universe tests us.
Kabbalah recognizes that the Demonic forces are an important "part" of the whole system.
However to say that one should surrender completely to them doesn't seem like it would come to a good end. For example I had an experience where A Possessed person was threatening to physically hurt(kill) themselves and others. Obviously in this situation I could not just let the demon be, so I had to drive it out of the person so they would not hurt themselves...

I have noted that when a demon possesses a person, the person becomes incredibly self destructive/destructive to others on many levels. I believe possession can also be psychologically damaging to the extreme and so personally I don't see much benefit in allowing yourself to become possessed, which is what can happen if you completely surrender to a demonic entity that is trying to take you out, it would be like lying down in front of a charging rhino, IMO.
 
I'm not certain no.. perhaps I have not experienced what it is that you are referring to. I guess when i read negative entity in the original post thats what sprung to mind. negative entity is a pretty subjective thing I reckon and people's ideas of what makes it negative differs from person to person and also by the way they react to it. thanks for clarifying though.. perhaps I haven't come accross a "demon" but just a really sour entity who's a bit pissed off with me for the way I am living

But how can you be so sure this is a demon? The OP said: "Right after the took trip was breaked by some entities that wanted to get inside me and conquer my body. I spent 15 minutes (because it was with MAOI) fighting with them for my body."
That doesn't sound like a demon at all to me. That sounded to me like somebody who perhaps had trouble surrendering to the extreme power and physical separation of the dmt experience... dmt is near impossible to have a positive experience with if your trying to hold onto your physical body and illusion of separated identity the whole time..

anyways, i guess I cannot speak for the OP as I did not have the experience. But i have seen so many people come out of trips and say very similar things about entities trying to tear their body apart, and it seems a lot of it has to do with having trouble letting go of the ego and holding onto the material reality they are familiar with.

trying to take your body with you into hyperspace is asking for a nasty time in my opinion
 
Eliyahu said:
I have noted that when a demon possesses a person, the person becomes incredibly self destructive/destructive to others on many levels. I believe possession can also be psychologically damaging to the extreme and so personally I don't see much benefit in allowing yourself to become possessed, which is what can happen if you completely surrender to a demonic entity that is trying to take you out, it would be like lying down in front of a charging rhino, IMO.
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You made me think about the meaning of "surrender". When I surrender, I do this in the firm faith that God will eventually overcome anything that a demonic being could throw at me. What happens with surrendering is that I give control over to God, so that he can complete what I cannot by my limited human understanding alone.

I think surrender may be dangerous only when this element of self-transcending faith is not present in consciousness.
 
Smilingblock,

I will check it out if it's free, looks possibly interesting. If it costs $$ however, Ill pass.

EDIT: 99$ is what it costs. too rich for my blood.


cellux,

That makes sense, I have been in situations too however where I was thrown to the wolves by divinity as a sort of punishment for my idiocy, and while the rescue came eventually. the waiting for help part was rough.
 
Eliyahu said:
EDIT: 99$ is what it costs. too rich for my blood.
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:thumb_dow agreed!

For what it's worth, this article had an interesting line about 3/4 of the way through.


Regarding the negative entities she writes: "This information on how to defeat them has never been published before that I am aware of."

The information that I was privy to, indicated that indeed 'fighting' the little ones is a waste of time and only empowers them by focusing on negative energy. Elves, fairies, nymphs whatever they are, I doubt very much that a human will do them much damage. They are shapeless entities that exist in another dimension. As far as I can tell, the only human power that extends into that dimension is the power of thought/intention/psyche. After spending a lot of time thinking this over, my conclusion is that the best we can do is ignore them and defend ourselves against them. I'm prone to agree with Eliyahu that probably only higher-level entities can crush these things. Maybe we need a psychic bat-signal...
 
It is all you.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.

That simple realization has fixed every bad trip I've ever been in.

Now mind you some times I have to keep reminding myself that it's all just me, but once I get myself steadied I can pretty mich control my CEVs. I may not be able to control all the little details, but I can damn sure effect things like colors, and mood. Bad entities are like bad day's. They are only bad in your mind. Good trip bad trip. it's just you. Realize that and you can at a bare minimum ride the trip out or mentally laugh at the big bad ugly mental manifestation staring you down in your third eye.

The other way to avoid extremes is to simply not do so much. Meditation combined with psychedelics is MUCH greater the psychs alone. I can have full break throughs with 20mgs after kriya pranayama or I can take 20mgs and open my eyes, stand up, and move around the room. night and day difference.

Learn to meditate right and your goal will switch from how much DMT can I take to how little DMT can I take.

Peace.
 
smilingblock said:

Regarding the negative entities she writes: "This information on how to defeat them has never been published before that I am aware of."

The information that I was privy to, indicated that indeed 'fighting' the little ones is a waste of time and only empowers them by focusing on negative energy. Elves, fairies, nymphs whatever they are, I doubt very much that a human will do them much damage. They are shapeless entities that exist in another dimension. As far as I can tell, the only human power that extends into that dimension is the power of thought/intention/psyche. After spending a lot of time thinking this over, my conclusion is that the best we can do is ignore them and defend ourselves against them. I'm prone to agree with Eliyahu that probably only higher-level entities can crush these things. Maybe we need a psychic bat-signal...
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cool-

This supports my theory that treating the entities in a respectful "loving" manor tends to undermine them greatly. IMO They thrive on hate, even hate of them.


joedirt said:

It is all you.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.

That simple realization has fixed every bad trip I've ever been in.

Now mind you some times I have to keep reminding myself that it's all just me, but once I get myself steadied I can pretty mich control my CEVs. I may not be able to control all the little details, but I can damn sure effect things like colors, and mood. Bad entities are like bad day's. They are only bad in your mind. Good trip bad trip. it's just you. Realize that and you can at a bare minimum ride the trip out or mentally laugh at the big bad ugly mental manifestation staring you down in your third eye.

The other way to avoid extremes is to simply not do so much. Meditation combined with psychedelics is MUCH greater the psychs alone. I can have full break throughs with 20mgs after kriya pranayama or I can take 20mgs and open my eyes, stand up, and move around the room. night and day difference.

Learn to meditate right and your goal will switch from how much DMT can I take to how little DMT can I take.

Peace.
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There may be some advantages to assuming the position of believing everything you see in a psychedelic experience is all just a part of some mental manifestation of your subconscious.

It's true this is an effective line of thought to a certain degree. The only problem with this idea is that it is not compatible with shamanism. To a shaman both his dreams and psychedelic experiences allow the Shaman to visit real worlds and real entities. IMO a a Shaman could actually be killed while visiting other worlds in a worse case scenario.

I believe it's all part of the "dangers" and "joys" of seriously choosing and walking the shamanic path in life. IMO It's also a good reason for anyone to think twice about seriously attempting to become a shaman and stepping into the "real" spirit realm. For what it's worth I believe it to be worthwhile to treat the experience as real, however precarious the result.

I personally view my psychedelic experience as a real phenomena. I suppose before I took psychedelics I was open to the idea of the existence of paranormal phenomena, but I did doubt it heavily...So when I took LSD for the first time and saw something that was very convincingly an angelic entity I treated it as a real experience.

Eventually the Angelic beings and the demonic beings as proved their existence to me beyond a reasonable doubt on a personal and in a way that cannot be proven to anyone else who was not there..in a way that I could now never deny or interpret as being "me".....
 
yeah i tend to agree with joe these days. but that is not to downplay the subconscious.. i think the subconscious itself is a very powerful energy we don't quite understand and i certainly don't see it as a product of matter or a meaningless bunch of projected thoughts. A number of recent trips though have suggested that hyperspace is not so much a dimension which i can navigate around and interact with separate entities but rather is some sort of projection of myself(the fragmented universe under an illusion of separation) at another level of existance. the entities i see these days are often very in theme with my current life situation and experience. they also do not feel separate from me, but rather are me.. the more i use dmt the more this becomes apparent. dmt has changed a lot for me. the experience is completely limitless and can be anything these days... feels more like a specific teaching being handed down to me rather than an actual other dimension with lots of separate beings which i can navigate my way through and interact .. but thats just my experience. i used to view it the other way

one trip i had a few months ago didn't bring me into hyperspace the usual way of being taken over by intricate geometry into another operating dimension or anything like that, but rather i ended up in a blank white space with a chicken and a dummy.. and there was this conscious force patronizing me showing me how blind i was to the notion of action and consequence through simple interactions of these two objects. it was only once i understood this that it reverted back to the intricate geometrical dimension that i was more used to, and there was this beautiful masculine entity saying it was everything i had ever thought, experienced, felt etc ...absoltuely no separation.. it was me and i was an expression of it. ..like every entity in the universe is just another expression of this conscious force. but then the question arises..

does this conscious force separate itself above material reality in other dimensions of being too? that is certainly a possibility too and a relevant question to ask when it comes to looking at the nature of shamanism and spirits. i mean if the universe does seek infinite experience as i suspect.. it would be reasonable to assume it gifts itself a level of separation and fragmented identity at a non physical level too. all in all i guess what i am trying to say is that the entities people experience could be an expression of the universe which may be culturally conditioned to the individual, in order to give more relevance to their life...

i hope that made sense... the universe is bigger than my perception of it so i'm sure i prolly have it wrong in one way or another anyway. i'd also like to add in relation to what ellyahu said, that seeing the experience as a projection of ones subconscious does not make it unreal phenomena at all, and i think it depends how you view the subconscious and what it actually is....whether it is a product of matter or whether matter is a product of it. i see the subconsious as a sort of unified mind which has endless possibilities, wisdom and experience and which can fragment itself into infinite experiences and expressions... i don't limit or demean my experiences simply to my mind though i believe it plays a large factor in the experience and the visions too.
 
joedirt said:
It is all you.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
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i've carefully considered this perspective, but when i honestly look at my own experiences it just doesn't ring true.

i think that because of the 'fractality of reality', events like attack by an external entity are possible in hyperspace as they are here in 3D earthbound reality.

therefor to say that these beings are just part of oneself is also to say that any external attacker or foe in this world is also just a part of oneself, manifest to teach oneself a lesson or expose one's flaws.
i find this absurd and totally reject it.

a woman is raped: are her attackers merely aspects of her larger psyche that she subconsciously summoned ? i think most rape victims would find that hard to swallow.

the human species (and the Earth itself) is under attack by a small number of globalist psychopaths.
did the collective human psyche generate these inhuman psychopaths in order to teach itself a hard lesson... or are there other forces at play ? i tend towards the latter.

as for these negative entities being more akin to wrathful deities who slice away delusion: there is a difference between constructive criticism and abuse.
being flayed by a Dakini is one thing, and being raped by an insectoid cyborg is quite another.

there is good hurt and there is bad hurt. suffering has no redemptive value.
 
I will tell you my perspective from having experience with demonically possesses people.

How did I know they were possessed by some outside influence? Because the outside influence blatantly proved to me that it new me better than the possessed person knew me.

Similar to the part in the book, the "the Exorcist" where the possessed little girly refers to to newly arriving priest who's name was Damien as Dimmy. Dimmy was what the priests mother called him when he was a child.. The catch here was that no one except the priest and his dead mother new that his childhood nickname was Dimmy so it proves to the skeptical priest that there is more going on than just human psychology...(can't remember if this is in the movie)

I have had these kind of things happen many time...most recently there was a possessed person who was screaming and thrashing attempting to hurt themselves and others.. I attempted to sooth the demon by singing to it....I sang it some Beatles songs, some Pink Floyd songs, Some doors. It worked to some extent and the possessed person began to sing along softly word for word with every song I sang...here's the kicker, this person actually was not familiar with any of that kind of music and certainly did not know the words to the songs I sang by heart..but the demon knew all the words...

My next trip report is going to address this subject. I plan to describe an unfortunate occasion where my best friend at the time became horribly possessed, and it was a life or death situation. I will post a link on this forum to the report when it is finished.
 
thats really interesting eli.. I sure am glad I haven't come accross this phenomena myself as it sounds pretty scary! ;) sounds like you have a world of experience in this stuff that I shouldn't really be diagnosing either.
yeah i dunno where I really stand with it.. i don't deny the existance of spirits or entities or negative forces, but some of my recent trips i haven't been able to shake the feeling that they are some sort of expression of the same conscious force which is in fact myself but fragmented into multiple expressions, and that my internal setting and the work I put in prior has everything to do with where the trip takes me and the entities i encounter. for a long time everytime I went in my guide would just be waiting there for me and every part of the visions was just part of its makeup. it could be anything and everything.. even me

the universe works in profound ways
look forward to hearing your report :)
 
bricklaya, you are most kind.

I have had definitely experienced myself as one with all. I believe the fact that we are flesh and bone yet we are also "little Gods" is an ultimate paradox. The fact that I myself am intrinsically a part of "God" and yet completely separate from him/she/it is in my mind both correct.
From my view of things paradoxes are a common theme in the underlying design of the universe and therefore I am allowed to have my cake and eat it too, metaphorically speaking.

From my view there is something called the super soul that is the embodiment of our higher, divine selves, and that soul represents the highest degree of spirit which is literally one with the creator force. It's your future self IMO and by future I mean infinite future, not just you at the end of your life span. The super soul is more like you in between lives.
 
Would perfumeros use things like Sweet grass and White sage smudging (Native american combination), also Florida water (from Peru - used in E. Amarica also)?

Floral baths (baño de florecimiento) might well be beneficial... I see some ayahuasca shamans burying people in the earth/clay prior?

Blessings.
 

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