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Excellent Ibogaine video
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PsilocybeChild
Rising Star
Good documentary. Thanks for sharing friend. 
Excellent! Thank you for sharing, this is a brilliant production. The singing at the start is mesmerizing.
SWIMFriend - First allow me to say thank you for sharing this film. Very positive message and a great step forward in the fight to de-vilify Iboga. I absolutely have had Iboga on my list of psychotherapeutic medicines to help me with many issues that are stifling progress in my life. An excellent documentary to say the least.
Philosophically I would like to ask a question though. Let's hypothetically envision that Iboga finally gets accepted as a legitimate, fast track, controlled medicine for combating chemical addiction in the USA. Do you think it would conquer the problem of destructive, chemically addictive, drug use in the country, or might it contradictorily spark a new wave in the use of what I call "destructive" psychoactive drugs (i.e. cocaine, opiates, amphetamines)?
The question is similar to the debate over "The Morning After" abortion pill I suppose. If people know that there is an Iboga / Ibogain clinic in their city, state, or region of the country, what are the risks of young people being more willing to try / use destructive, addictive, psycho-actives, based on the knowledge that if they ever need to get off of them, Iboga is the answer... The quick fix? It could potentially become a societal "security blanket" of sorts.
Please don't misunderstand me. I am absolutely for the advancement of Iboga in modern psychotherapy, and I truly believe that the millions or billions of people that it can help, far outweigh any of the potential risks. I'm even getting involved with pro-Iboga organizations to further develop it's acceptance. I'm just curious to hear other people's view on the potential for this hypothetical situation. Food for thought I suppose is what I'm offering, and I'd love to hear your views!
Peace!
-idt
Philosophically I would like to ask a question though. Let's hypothetically envision that Iboga finally gets accepted as a legitimate, fast track, controlled medicine for combating chemical addiction in the USA. Do you think it would conquer the problem of destructive, chemically addictive, drug use in the country, or might it contradictorily spark a new wave in the use of what I call "destructive" psychoactive drugs (i.e. cocaine, opiates, amphetamines)?
The question is similar to the debate over "The Morning After" abortion pill I suppose. If people know that there is an Iboga / Ibogain clinic in their city, state, or region of the country, what are the risks of young people being more willing to try / use destructive, addictive, psycho-actives, based on the knowledge that if they ever need to get off of them, Iboga is the answer... The quick fix? It could potentially become a societal "security blanket" of sorts.
Please don't misunderstand me. I am absolutely for the advancement of Iboga in modern psychotherapy, and I truly believe that the millions or billions of people that it can help, far outweigh any of the potential risks. I'm even getting involved with pro-Iboga organizations to further develop it's acceptance. I'm just curious to hear other people's view on the potential for this hypothetical situation. Food for thought I suppose is what I'm offering, and I'd love to hear your views!
Peace!
-idt
tryptographer
tryptamine photographer
Good point, I hope avoiding that kind of abuse is part of the Iboga lesson.
Great doc, thanks SWIMfriend whether you read this or not!
Great doc, thanks SWIMfriend whether you read this or not!
I have a friend who is an addict and i thought i would look up iboga treatment centers. I live in London and so does my unfortunate friend. The only clinic in Europe that deals with addicts (mainly opiate abuse) by using ibogain is in London! I was happy for my pal, but the treatment costs over 2000 pounds, which is almost 4000 dollars. Worth it to be clean forever, but what addict would be able to afford that kinda money...
Methtical
Rising Star
idtravlr said:
Thats an interesting point, but I'm not sure if it would pan out that way. Take into account that there are currently numerous therapies available for people with addictions to alcohol, heroin, etc etc. These therapies are certainly effective to a degree because they do help some people, but I think the main point is that people who participate in these therapies have do so actively, because it came to that point where they knew enough was enough and decided to do something about it.
What I'm trying to say is that addicts only seek help when they want to get off a substance, and just because there may one day be Ibogaine for all, that doesn't necessarily mean that people will seek it, because a lot of addicts don't want to quit.
Then again, taking your original point into consideration, maybe a lot of people will get into those kinds of drugs thinking that there is an easy way out should they feel the ride is getting too rough, but only then realise that you actually have to want to quit to seek it out in the first place. Hmmmmm.
Methtical
Elpo
Rising Star
I haven't seen the documentary yet, but I wonder if it is correct to say that by taking Iboga alchohol abuse will disappear? I think this is not the case with any substance, if the intention of the subject is to quit Iboga might help a great deal, but if the intention is not there, the subject will turn back to alchohol.
Therefore I think the most important thing is to inform the public about the advantages and the LIMITS of this substance concerning alchohol abuse, hoping that people will not get into any kind of drug addiction thinking there is an easy way out.
Can't wait to get home and see the documentary though...
Peace
Elpo
Therefore I think the most important thing is to inform the public about the advantages and the LIMITS of this substance concerning alchohol abuse, hoping that people will not get into any kind of drug addiction thinking there is an easy way out.
Can't wait to get home and see the documentary though...
Peace
Elpo
Well, doesn't Iboga essentially reset the receptors? If you start using again within a certain time period you run a really high risk of ODing to my knowledge. I do not think that this would precipitate binge drugging or similar carelessness. Iboga is a substance that carries its own risks with it and would be, like any rehab, effective only when the junkie was willing to quit for good, but unlike regular rehab he'd run a real high risk of winding up dead if he wasnt actually committed to staying clean. Addicts who don't want to get clean will not, regardless of the rehab they are subjected to, this has to be their choice. Iboga presents an option for individuals who truly want to kick the habit and have no desire to jump back in.Methtical said:
SB
Excellent documentary.
How I wish I had known about iboga long ago. A freind was a heroin addict, and I went with him to the east coast for a detox program, whose success lasted mere days. I wish I could have gone to mexico with him instead...
How I wish I had known about iboga long ago. A freind was a heroin addict, and I went with him to the east coast for a detox program, whose success lasted mere days. I wish I could have gone to mexico with him instead...
ThirdEyeVision
Rising Star
I haven't had a chance to watch your link yet but last week I watched a documentry on Iboga that followed an addict through the process. Very interesting. It was on Neflixs online of all places! I'll lookup the name for you Netflixs subscribers.
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