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RhythmSpring

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They (the Peruvian and otherwise Amazonian indigenous Ayahuasceros) say that the Ayahuasca vine is *the* plant that heals, gives powers, etc., and was the first to be used, and chacruna (psychotria viridis) was only later used, as an adjunct, to help with visions. They say that the Ayahuasca vine is like a key to the forest, once drunk, you are able to see into/know on a much deeper level any plant you mix with it, as with a Dieta or simply an admixture.

Not only that, but the healing power or other effect of whatever you plant you introduce yourself to with Ayahuasca in your system is magnified; its effects thorough.

I would like to reiterate this point. Here at the DMT-Nexus, we have become so DMT/vision-obsessed that we rarely think of Ayahuasca without the Chacruna (I use the term loosely--this could mean P. viridis, or M. hostilis, or A. confusa, you get the idea).

But this is a mistake, or, at the very least, just a beginning step into the infinitely rich world of improving one's life with herbalism. There is so much more utility with this plant, yet untapped. In other words, there are so many other plants you can mix with the Ayahuasca vine (or Syrian Rue) in order to get an experience of the plant that is straight and to the point of healing and harmony with the body--a full fledged, no-distractions immersive experience, like a download. You can experience this not just with a DMT-containing plant, but with such other medicinal plants as:

Peppermint
Salvia
Cinnamon
Pine
Lemon Balm
Sage
Cedar
Cat's Claw
Medicinal mushrooms
Milk Thistle
Hemp
And so many more...
[Note: Do research on potential negative interactions between harmalas and herbs. For example, don't mix Licorice with harmalas.]

Really any medicinal plant you can think of, including foods.

"But RhythmSpring," I hear you say, "Lemon Balm is such a weak herb! It wouldn't do anything of interest."

That brings me to my next point: Lemon balm may be such a weak herb in your experience because you are used to ingesting a tea bag-full of it steeped in water. If you treated it like you would, say, P. viridis, and used ~25g of this safe and gentle herb, in conjunction with harmalas, you might think differently.

Each plant has its own world to show you. Acacia confusa may give you visions of the heavens, but its utility is on par with countless other plants that show you different routes to wholeness if you give them the chance.

What plants do YOU want to mix with harmalas to get the full benefit from?

What plants have you already done that with?
 
Yes! :D Fully agree.

I've been drinking rue tea almost everyday for the past year and ended up subsuming the act into my meditation. Soon after, I began experimenting with other herbs during the same time frame: lemon balm, blue lotus, cannabis, ashwagandha, and ginger syrup. While I have a strong bond with DMT, I also have a strong bond with rue and caapi, as well as the previously listed plants. They open up a whole new avenues of awareness and thought.

It's not always about the wild and intense, but also the subtle and transforming.

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Voidmatrix said:
ashwagandha
Ashwagandha! What's that combination like?! I am too afraid to mix those two, because ashwagandha is already very powerful and ground-ing like harmalas. I have had a hunch that they would combine to be too sedating and perhaps to a dangerous level.
 
RhythmSpring said:
Voidmatrix said:
ashwagandha
Ashwagandha! What's that like?! I am too afraid to mix those two, because ashwagandha is already very powerful and ground-ing like harmalas. I have had a hunch that they would combine to be too sedating and perhaps to a dangerous level.

I really really recommend it! I deal with fatigue pretty regularly (daily) and haven't felt that this combination is too sedating. Granted, I do my long meditation towards the end of the day a few hour before bedtime. It can be slightly disorienting, sort of like when first working with harmalas. But as you've stated, it's highly balancing and grounding. I'm not sure how or why, but I'm noticing more behind my eyelids when not on traditional psychedelics, and find that certain combinations can make this more pronounced. Ashwangandha is one that particularly makes things interesting.

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I like the ideas presented. But I think we lack reports of actual combinations between harmalas and other plants, the kind of reports that would spark a bit of curiosity in me or others. And the numerous variations of DMT and harmala dosages and forms are overwhelming in themselves, and as such they do not leave that much room to experiment with something else.

For example you posted about the pine in that opening list, how do I go about Pine-huasca? I do have a pine extract syrup sitting in my fridge (tastes amazing mixed with sparkling water). Do I use that? What can I expect beyond the typical harmala effects? Do I need to chew a pine cone, or pine needles? How and why did you come up with that particular list of plants?
 
L-dreamer said:
how do I go about Pine-huasca?
Gather fresh pine needles (small branches are okay; it's all usable) and boil it for a few hours.
I've never used or heard of pine extract syrup! That sounds really interesting. Maybe give that a go. If it tastes strong, there's a good chance it has medicinal properties.


L-dreamer said:
Do I need to chew a pine cone, or pine needles?
Lol do not chew on a pine cone--that sounds very unpleasant. You can chew on pine needles. Stick with White Pine (bunches of 5 needles).

L-dreamer said:
How and why did you come up with that particular list of plants?
That is a question that would take a long time to answer. Let's just say that it's a list of herbs I either have worked with in conjunction with Ayahuasca and have found to be interesting/healing (most of them) or herbs that I think would be interesting to do so (just a couple, like Cinnamon (!)).
 
Nice thread, Rhythm Spring.

Doubly nice to read it after a few days away from the forum, this evening having drunk some good lemon balm tea. In doing so I found out that the lemon balm I've (accidentally) grown in my greenhouse is about six times stronger aromawise than the stuff that grows outdoors, although maybe that says more about my local climate than anything else.

Ashwaganda was one that I was hesitant about combining with rue as well, so it's interesting to see that VM has survived the combination apparently unharmed :lol:

In a few more or less recent sessions I've included tinctures of lemon balm, pink rose, cleavers and red clover which if nothing else, tastes rather lovely. The pleasant aroma alone can help put a positive spin on things.

In these parts we have stuff called 'Melissengeist' which is largely lemon balm based but with a selection of other aromatic herbs and spices, and 'Franzbranntwein' which is a pine-based distillate so I'll be seeing what those two have to offer.

Another herb I've been using quite a lot of lately is ground elder or goutweed (Aegopodium podagraria) that is known for its medicinal properies and was favoured by the Romans as a pot herb as well. This time of year, the young shoots are really good for salad or cooked in various dishes - the cream of asparagus soup was phenomenal with a bunch of finely-chopped ground elder added. Ground elder contains amongst other things, polyacetylenes which have antinflammatory properties and possibly even cannabinoid activity. And where it grows, it grows like crazy so there's plenty of scope for experimenting with this one too. I can't say I've specifically combined it with rue but it has been incidental to the latest run of regular rue alkaloid ingestion.
 
df0 said:
Ashwaganda was one that I was hesitant about combining with rue as well, so it's interesting to see that VM has survived the combination apparently unharmed

You two had me wondering if I was missing something, so I did it again last night with a little bit of cannabis.

The ashwagandha that I'm using is a root extract that recommends 10-20 drops in water. I did 15 drops with 5g rue tea... You guys should really try it :D

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Rhythmspring said:
I would like to reiterate this point. Here at the DMT-Nexus, we have become so DMT/vision-obsessed that we rarely think of Ayahuasca without the Chacruna (I use the term loosely--this could mean P. viridis, or M. hostilis, or A. confusa, you get the idea).
Well said, Rhythmspring. The natives consider Caapi drank by herself to be Ayahuasca, the admixture is not necessary. She is considered Ayahuasca with or without the DMT.

Daniel Pinchbeck "Breaking Open the Head" (Daniel also states in his book, that Ayahuasca is his favorite entheogen):
For many people, Ayahuasca-a slowed-down low-res interface of the DMT flash-seems to convey strong messages from the natural world, of nature as sentient energy and spirit matter, of the need to protect the planet we have been given.

Yage whispers that human beings are meant to be gardeners of this reality, journeyers, storytellers and singers, weavers of the sacred. DMT, on the other hand, conveys no overt human or humane message.
Graham Hancock, "Supernatural", pg 428:
My experience with smoked DMT was qualitatively different from the realms and beings Ayahuasca introduced me to. For whereas the Ayahuasca worlds seemed rich, luxurious, and abundant in the transformations of organic and supernatural life, DMT brought me to a world--or to some aspect of a world--that appeared from the outset to be highly artificial, constructed, inorganic, and in essence technological.
Gayle Highpine (Ayahuasca researcher):
In the western world, Ayahuasca acquired a new definition: It was now, by definition, the combination of Banisteriopsis caapi and a DMT-containing plant. Ayahuasca became, by definition “orally active DMT.” The first anthropologist to adopt the new definition seems to have been Luis Eduardo Luna in 1984. Luna spent time with Terence McKenna, absorbing his perspective, before beginning his fieldwork. Since then, anthropologists have increasingly adopted this definition and filtered their observations through it. The preeminence of the Ayahuasca vine in the indigenous Amazonian world became the elephant in the living room of Ayahuasca studies, with a tacit agreement to pretend it doesn’t exist.

The leaves were Ayahuasca’s “helpers,” I was told, and their purpose was to “brighten and clarify” the visions. The vine is like a cave, and the leaf is like a torch you use to see what is inside the cave. The vine is like a book, and the leaf is like the candle you use to read the book.

The vine is like a snowy television set, and the leaf helps to tune in the picture. There was a subtle attitude that the need for strong leaf was the sign of a beginner: An experienced ayahuasquero could see the visions even in low light.

Ayahuasca vine is not visionary in the same way as DMT. Visions from vine-only brews are shadowy, monochromatic, like silhouettes, or curling smoke, or clouds moving across the night sky. It is because their visions are usually monochromatic that vines are classified by the color of vision they produce: white, black, blue, red (in my experience, dark maroon).

Snakes, the most common vision on Ayahuasca, are considered the manifest spirit of the vine. Vine visions can be hard to see; in fact, the “visions” may not be visual at all, but auditory or somatic or intuitive. But the vine carries the content of the message, the teaching, and the insight.

The leaf helps illuminate the content, but the teachings are credited to the vine. Vine visions are “frequently associated with writing, to a code that is present in visions…or in the ‘books’ where the spirits keep the secrets of the forest.” (Calavia Saez 2011:135).

The vine is The Teacher, The Healer, The Guide. The purpose of drinking Ayahuasca is to receive the message the vine imparts. This is why it is the vine, not the leaf, that is classified by the type of vision it gives. “For them the vine is, in truth, a living guide, a friend, a paternal authority” (Weiskopf 2005:104).
Psychedelia, page 61:
A traditional saying among Ayahuasqueros is that the jungle vine brings powerful realistic visions, but that the chacruna brings light to these visions. According to the view of Western research, this is not the case; essentially the entire psycho-activity resides with the chacruna leaves DMT content.

Ayahuasca researcher Luis Eduardo Luna recently observed that when surveying tribal lore praising the jungle vine, he could find no traces of similar mythology around the two most common plant admixtures; psychotria viridis or diplpterys cabrerana, even though these DMT plants to a Westerner would appear much more important than the harmala alkaloids of the B. caapi liana.
Part 3: 300mg pure Tetrahydroharmine (THH) teaching visions all by her self (post #3)

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Part 3: 300mg Tetrahydroharmine (THH) teaching visions all by herself
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Tetrahydroharmine or THH is the 2nd largest ingredient in traditional Caapi based Ayahuasca, she is in the same beta-carboline family as Ibogaine. I've made her at home and taken 300mg of her orally many times over a 10 year period, she is as important as mescaline, can't do without her, diamondlike shimmering in her beauty. 300mg THH gives the same healing and teaching visions as 100mg of harmaline, but without all the dizziness and nausea. She causes powerful music enhancement when combined with sublingual or oral DMT, and infinite open-eyed beauty, she is like the beta-carboline version of mescaline, few people have used her over 100mg.

The Ayahuasca closed eye visions using 150 to 300mg tetrahydroharmine or THH and HPBCD complexed DMT (30mg on up) together surpass in magnificence anything I have ever seen in reality or in works of art.

With open eyes, all spiritual things such as nature, art, female form, beauty, joy, take on significant meaning with infinite beauty, just like with cactus or LSD. Extraordinary beauty is manifested with open eyes and with the visions one sees with closed eyes. Impossible neon-like colors are seen that don't exist on this Earth.

The existence of a higher spiritual plane is recognized to which insight can and must be gained, yet it does not reject the mundane reality as inferior or empty. This joyous embracement of the world of form leads to words like infinite pleasure, beauty and joy. This loving reappraisal of the worldly forms leads the way to higher divine planes.

At 9pm one night, took another 100mg of THH, for a total of 350mg of THH for afternoon & night, before I fell asleep, I watched dream-like monochrome imagery (usually always in green or blue for me) as the THH was still working...I viewed mind-blowing vistas--grand architecture and cities, a bookshelf full of ancient books, a view of the gardens in front of what looked like Versailles, France.

I traveled down a street in Midieval period where I saw beautiful women walking along the street, I could make out the houses & markets along the street. Many of these visions are like slow speed movies being played, way beyond 4k, highly detailed...true Ayahuasca visions...this always happens when I take at least 300mg or more of tetrahydroharmine during the late afternoon/early night. This is one of the best parts of the journey imho.

I've taken 300mg of THH on it's own many times and for hours with eyes closed I view endless dream-like visions, like slow and high speed movies being played for several hours...totally unlike normal dreams, she seems to tap into the "Akashic record" of the universe, the ether where all events, past, present, and future are stored...she shows you artwork, architecture, nature, culture, fantasy, history, the future, spiritual, supernatural. The visions are also characterized by the extraordinary beauty that they manifest.

Tetrahydroharmine was called by one researcher "the tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" to give an example of her remarkable visionary properties. She is an isomer of a hormonal-like compound found in the brain naturally, she is what gives Ayahuasca her telapathine or telethapy properties and CEV dream-like visionary power.

300mg she gives one several hours of incredible closed eye realistic visions, this places her very high on the "psychedelic periodic table" for visions compared to just about any other entheogen.

It's like entering a university, she teaches you for hours with not only sequential visions one after another, but visions seen in continuous slow and high speed movies. She tells you a story for a long period. There is a theme to it all each time, the beautiful visions never repeat session to session. I only rarely go beyond 300mg THH, as a little dizziness sets in above 300mg for sure. No dizziness at 250mg, only a tiny bit at 300mg.

Several weeks ago, after drinking 300mg tetrahydroharmine, I saw the interior decorations of palaces, the checkered floors, the beautiful windows and furniture, the winding stair cases, I was blown away.

I've seen sacred temples for religious worship, beautiful animals and super fine women, birds of all kinds, even the lost city of Atlantis, I was taken in for a bird's eye view, zooming in from way above to all the way down into the city center.

Caapi tells a story when you drink it with eyes closed, she teaches you things, the most beautiful "realistic visions" that no other entheogen comes close to showing you, these realistic visions go on forever with Caapi, I can recline and watch for 2 hours or more the visions, the visions are quite powerful. You can take additional THH hours later to bring back the visions again for another 45 minutes, the doses are additive.

Tetrahydroharmine or THH (feminine spirit) is the 2nd largest harmala alkaloid in Caapi (next to none found in rue), as this is new research that you will not find anywhere else, no books or web pages or past studies by researchers ever done on tetrahydroharmine at 300mg doses. 300mg pure tetrahydroharmine has the teaching & healing visionary power of 100mg harmaline, but without all the nausea and dizziness of harmaline. Adding even small amounts of sublingual or oral DMT adds color and brightness to the normally monochrome (one color) blue or green teaching visions.

Compilation of caapi & harmala only visions from the literature:
hxxps://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=69515

attached papers:
1) Harmaline healing visions by Dr. Claudio Naranjo, experiments with 30 subjects
1) Dr. Naranjo on harmaline and ibogaine
2) Psychotropic properites of the harmala alkaloids by Dr. Claudio Naranjo

Link to "Harmaline and the Collective Unconscious":
hxxps://www.claudionaranjo.net/pdf_files/not_catagorized/healing_journey_english/healing_journey_ch_4_english.pdf

Pic: 300mg of THH showed me closed eye vision of gardens at Versailles, France
 

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Voidmatrix said:
df0 said:
Ashwaganda was one that I was hesitant about combining with rue as well, so it's interesting to see that VM has survived the combination apparently unharmed

You two had me wondering if I was missing something, so I did it again last night with a little bit of cannabis.

The ashwagandha that I'm using is a root extract that recommends 10-20 drops in water. I did 15 drops with 5g rue tea... You guys should really try it :D

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I got out the ashwaganda again after this thread and added a generous half-teaspoon to my bedtime tea. Maybe that was a bit much for sleeping, there was definitely some kind of sub-visionary activity going on that I could imagine pairing well with rue, albeit at a significantly lower dose.

Next time I'll be weighing my ashwaganda dose so, VM, what does each of your drops of aswaganda extract equate to in terms of whole root?
 
downwardsfromzero said:
Voidmatrix said:
df0 said:
Ashwaganda was one that I was hesitant about combining with rue as well, so it's interesting to see that VM has survived the combination apparently unharmed

You two had me wondering if I was missing something, so I did it again last night with a little bit of cannabis.

The ashwagandha that I'm using is a root extract that recommends 10-20 drops in water. I did 15 drops with 5g rue tea... You guys should really try it :D

One love
I got out the ashwaganda again after this thread and added a generous half-teaspoon to my bedtime tea. Maybe that was a bit much for sleeping, there was definitely some kind of sub-visionary activity going on that I could imagine pairing well with rue, albeit at a significantly lower dose.

Next time I'll be weighing my ashwaganda dose so, VM, what does each of your drops of aswaganda extract equate to in terms of whole root?

Good question, I wondered that as I took it last time, but then after my meditation, was too floaty to remember to try and figure it out. :lol: I'm at work now, but will take a look at the bottle to see if I can figure it out.

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Voidmatrix said:
Looking at the bottle, it states "herb strength: 1:1." I'm not sure that delivers on what we want to know. Thoughts, DF0?

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A look at the label would be most instructive, although 1:1 seems to imply w/v, i.e. 1g herb per 1 mL tincture. If your dropper is a standard size it should produce 1 mL from 20 drops although this is something that should be measured. But if these assumptions are valid, your 15 drops would equate to 0.75 grams of ashwaganda root. That's way less than I had last night - and I can say that confidently without having measured anything! :lol:

Meanwhile, I still haven't combined anything with rue (or more precisely, rue with anything) lately because I've inadvertently rediscovered my space paste tincture - at a non-incapacitating dose, I might add - and this is something I'd hesitate to combine with rue even more so than the ashwaganda.
 
downwardsfromzero said:
Voidmatrix said:
Looking at the bottle, it states "herb strength: 1:1." I'm not sure that delivers on what we want to know. Thoughts, DF0?

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A look at the label would be most instructive, although 1:1 seems to imply w/v, i.e. 1g herb per 1 mL tincture. If your dropper is a standard size it should produce 1 mL from 20 drops although this is something that should be measured. But if these assumptions are valid, your 15 drops would equate to 0.75 grams of ashwaganda root. That's way less than I had last night - and I can say that confidently without having measured anything! :lol:

Meanwhile, I still haven't combined anything with rue (or more precisely, rue with anything) lately because I've inadvertently rediscovered my space paste tincture - at a non-incapacitating dose, I might add - and this is something I'd hesitate to combine with rue even more so than the ashwaganda.

Specifically, I looked at the label on the bottle :lol: I couldn't help myself. The directions say to add 10 to 20 drops into water or juice. The dropper looks standard, but I'll have to double-check.

Enlighten me more on your space paste tincture.

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