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Just curious as to what it is you would fear if you had aya? Are you concerned with having some specific religious context appear and convert you to say, christianity?

My own experiences took me from a flat out "god doesn't exist" atheist to a "I think an architect of some sort exists". I do not think I fall under any predefined category as I can not claim a specific deity eg Yaweh so I am definitely not a theist. But I can not claim agnosticism (that God exists but we can't possibly know him) because what I encounter guides and helps me to understand its nature and it's thoughts, well that is how it feels. I love science but wouldn't claim to be a scientism(ist?) because when you find things like the double slit experiment, quantum entanglement, the nature of absolute zero, testing to disprove multiverse theory and always failing, specific self correcting code in the mathematics we use to describe the physics of this universe (one we use in Web browsers) etc... I can only conclude that the more we discover the more complicated and confusing it gets. Kind of like a cat chasing it's tail.

Which brings me to is it even a god I/others experience? How can I tell if it is THE god, a god, angels, demons or satan in disguise, aliens, mischievous sprites, leprechauns, my higher version of myself teaching me etc etc...? These are all unfalsifiable propositions that can not be tested to differentiate between one or another. We use terms like God and forget they are symbols to describe a phenomenon but often forget that how you convert that into a mental representation is never identical. Eg, without looking at the moon, picture it in your head right now. What you are picturing as your direct conscious experience will be different to what is in my head right now and what pops into anybody else's heads as they read this. What I learned in my aya journey and have gathered from all the experience reports I have read is that whatever "it" is, is similarly using symbols that you understand as an individual in order to convey a concept. The messages received apear to be delivered in a context that you would understand the best. For some this might translate to christian/jewish/islamic contexts because of their upbringing, but it could also be the case that a drastically different context is needed if your schemas really need shaking up in order to grow/expand your consciousness, eg someone with a staunch christian upbringing seeing Shiva so as to snap them out of a specific line of thinking that has been detrimental for that individual.

It can be summed up with "the map is not the road and the menu is not the meal"

If you can grasp this fundamental concept, that words are only symbols that act as a filter between that world and this... if you can accept that in trying to put the indescribable into words you lose a lot in translation... then imo you are ready to take the plunge.

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Enjoy the mystery, enjoy the game. Welcome to earth.
Peace my friend

<blockquote data-quote="Leviathansbane" data-source="post: 3803418" data-attributes="member: 32960">Just curious as to what it is you would fear if you had aya? Are you concerned with having some specific religious context appear and convert you to say, christianity?My own experiences took me from a flat out &quot;god doesn&#039;t exist&quot; atheist to a &quot;I think an architect of some sort exists&quot;. I do not think I fall under any predefined category as I can not claim a specific deity eg Yaweh so I am definitely not a theist. But I can not claim agnosticism (that God exists but we can&#039;t possibly know him) because what I encounter guides and helps me to understand its nature and it&#039;s thoughts, well that is how it feels. I love science but wouldn&#039;t claim to be a scientism(ist?) because when you find things like the double slit experiment, quantum entanglement, the nature of absolute zero, testing to disprove multiverse theory and always failing, specific self correcting code in the mathematics we use to describe the physics of this universe (one we use in Web browsers) etc... I can only conclude that the more we discover the more complicated and confusing it gets. Kind of like a cat chasing it&#039;s tail.Which brings me to is it even a god I/others experience? How can I tell if it is THE god, a god, angels, demons or satan in disguise, aliens, mischievous sprites, leprechauns, my higher version of myself teaching me etc etc...? These are all unfalsifiable propositions that can not be tested to differentiate between one or another. We use terms like God and forget they are symbols to describe a phenomenon but often forget that how you convert that into a mental representation is never identical. Eg, without looking at the moon, picture it in your head right now. What you are picturing as your direct conscious experience will be different to what is in my head right now and what pops into anybody else&#039;s heads as they read this. What I learned in my aya journey and have gathered from all the experience reports I have read is that whatever &quot;it&quot; is, is similarly using symbols that you understand as an individual in order to convey a concept. The messages received apear to be delivered in a context that you would understand the best. For some this might translate to christian/jewish/islamic contexts because of their upbringing, but it could also be the case that a drastically different context is needed if your schemas really need shaking up in order to grow/expand your consciousness, eg someone with a staunch christian upbringing seeing Shiva so as to snap them out of a specific line of thinking that has been detrimental for that individual.It can be summed up with &quot;the map is not the road and the menu is not the meal&quot;If you can grasp this fundamental concept, that words are only symbols that act as a filter between that world and this... if you can accept that in trying to put the indescribable into words you lose a lot in translation... then imo you are ready to take the plunge.[MEDIA=youtube]mY9gVIcRkkI[/MEDIA]Enjoy the mystery, enjoy the game. Welcome to earth.Peace my friend <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Leviathansbane, post: 3803418, member: 32960"] Just curious as to what it is you would fear if you had aya? Are you concerned with having some specific religious context appear and convert you to say, christianity? My own experiences took me from a flat out "god doesn't exist" atheist to a "I think an architect of some sort exists". I do not think I fall under any predefined category as I can not claim a specific deity eg Yaweh so I am definitely not a theist. But I can not claim agnosticism (that God exists but we can't possibly know him) because what I encounter guides and helps me to understand its nature and it's thoughts, well that is how it feels. I love science but wouldn't claim to be a scientism(ist?) because when you find things like the double slit experiment, quantum entanglement, the nature of absolute zero, testing to disprove multiverse theory and always failing, specific self correcting code in the mathematics we use to describe the physics of this universe (one we use in Web browsers) etc... I can only conclude that the more we discover the more complicated and confusing it gets. Kind of like a cat chasing it's tail. Which brings me to is it even a god I/others experience? How can I tell if it is THE god, a god, angels, demons or satan in disguise, aliens, mischievous sprites, leprechauns, my higher version of myself teaching me etc etc...? These are all unfalsifiable propositions that can not be tested to differentiate between one or another. We use terms like God and forget they are symbols to describe a phenomenon but often forget that how you convert that into a mental representation is never identical. Eg, without looking at the moon, picture it in your head right now. What you are picturing as your direct conscious experience will be different to what is in my head right now and what pops into anybody else's heads as they read this. What I learned in my aya journey and have gathered from all the experience reports I have read is that whatever "it" is, is similarly using symbols that you understand as an individual in order to convey a concept. The messages received apear to be delivered in a context that you would understand the best. For some this might translate to christian/jewish/islamic contexts because of their upbringing, but it could also be the case that a drastically different context is needed if your schemas really need shaking up in order to grow/expand your consciousness, eg someone with a staunch christian upbringing seeing Shiva so as to snap them out of a specific line of thinking that has been detrimental for that individual. It can be summed up with "the map is not the road and the menu is not the meal" If you can grasp this fundamental concept, that words are only symbols that act as a filter between that world and this... if you can accept that in trying to put the indescribable into words you lose a lot in translation... then imo you are ready to take the plunge. [MEDIA=youtube]mY9gVIcRkkI[/MEDIA] Enjoy the mystery, enjoy the game. Welcome to earth. Peace my friend :D [/QUOTE]