Explaining DMT to those less informed..

[ghosty]

Well, it has been an incredible week.

I have read, watched, and heard quite a bit about DMT over the past few years.. but not until this week did I actually experience the pure love that is DMT.

What can be said about it? Millions of words and analogies could be used to describe it.. and it's not something I feel is necessary to do here, presuming that most people have already felt what words couldn't describe... But what about those who won't and never will?

How can you explain to these individuals who are vastly important in your life why something like this is so significant for you? It was hard hearing my girlfriend say me using DMT makes her uncomfortable. How could I blame her? From the outside perspective, it seems sketchy at best. Smoking crystals out of a glass pipe.

Naturally, I want to share my experiences with her. Not even to have her use it, just to talk about these amazing things I have felt and learned. When I attempt to, she just kind of shuts down. I try to explain, but the more I talk about how special this experience is, the more I paint a picture of an addict romanticizing drug use. We have a great deal of respect for one another, so this isn't a huge issue between us. It just made me a little sad to hear that she was not only unwilling to hear about it, but the idea of it in general made her uncomfortable.

I want to bring this experience to my best friend to try. He has a bit more experience with psychedelics than my girlfriend, however I'm still concerned that he will have a similar reaction.

I wish the people I love could experience the same eternal-bliss-love I have felt, but I know it must come to them and that it cannot be forced.

I can't be the only one who has felt this way, right?

 

[cosmictaylor]

Be like.. "OK, this right here, this DMT is actually the Love molecule. I dont know too much about it but this is a key to something more. Every time I smoke it I find myself in the most profound spaces of love and possibility. And if not I am shown how I am preventing myself from these states. This molecule is a gift and something that exists weather u use it or not."

Idk something like that/ whatever is true to u will work.

Communicate with your heart and the right things can only happen.

 

[Enoon]

we all go through a phase of wanting to share psychedelics or DMT with those around us. Sometimes it works and we open people up to the idea, but more often it doesn't. At least in my experience. I've come to the conclusion that it makes no sense to force the topic on anyone. Sometimes I will share an account of an experience with someone else if it comes out in a natural manner. But usually I keep my experiences to myself.

My boyfriend is very tollerant of my use but is not interested in DMT nor in the profound experiences I have access to due to it. I can accept that because I know he is on his own path and DMT makes no sense to him now. He listens to my stories but never encourages nor discourages more talk about it. He is just incredibly neutral about it. But from these talks I can tell that there is just no way I can convey the importance of the experiences I've had to him or anyone. They are not important to him - they are only to me. It's all so very personal - from being interested in it, taking the decision to try or do it to the actual experience itself. There is nothing that we can transfer to another person there.

So if people ask me about it, I will give them some answers, but even so I am much more reserved about it than I used to be. If someone is meant to try it, they will. For those that want to know about my use I'd say it's analogue to a yoga practice I like doing:

- You don't have to know how to do it, be able to do it or even like doing it yourself. Just know that it's what I need and I'm doing it for positive reasons. But by all means, if you see me having negative effects or troubling changes in behavior, let me know. Just as I will let you know if this happens to you.

 

[Bdevall158]

I feel ya brotha, my first several years of exploration was highly restricted by my "better half".... I tried my hardest, probably too much at times, just to talk about the grand mysteries of these experiences,but it was like talking to a brick wall. The way she put it was that she has a hard enough time figuring out this reality, so anything that goes beyond "normal reality" was enough to give her a anxiety. Just to paint a picture, my ex had a panic attack just from watching fear and loathing :? but thats just how some people are in this world. your best bet is to just continue with telling of beautiful tales, if they wanna be heard, and turn on more of your/her friends, so its not just you doing the "drugs". One thing ive noticed if a GF saw you doing some obscure drug she would probably flip s***, but if her girlfriends were smoking it and said it was great she may reconsider. Girls are weird like that, sometimes they just need the comfort and assurance of their friends, but this is just strictly IMO. cheers and goodluck explaining the unexplainable :thumb_up:

 

[ghosty]

Thanks for all the amazing responses. All of that brought a big smile to my face. Nice to know other individuals have been here before.

I think one day we all may come to know this feeling, and that seems to be good enough.

Hah, it isn't jus girlfriends that can be weird about it. Boyfriends, friends, family.. hearing about hyperspace and this experience may trigger a fear response in anyone that cares about you. I still have irrational fears about people I love.

I think I know I can't be proactive about bringing people in to this.


This community is amazing. Thanks for welcoming me.

 

[Tyler_Trismegistus]

Sorry you're going through this :/ This exact thing was the downfall of my last relationship. Once I started taking psychedelics seriously and devoted myself to this way of life she became very resentful and almost jealous of the experiences I was having with these amazing tools. As a serious psychonaut, I could never see myself with someone now who is not willing to AT LEAST listen and be accepting of something that is so important to me. I feel like there's very few people though that will be as accepting as I need them to be that DON'T trip themselves. I actually posted a topic about this a while ago called "psychedelic significant other" and there were a lot of great responses. Here's the link if you want to check it out...... psychedelic significant others? - Open Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus good luck my friend... This is definitely not an easy situation to deal with. The power of DMT is undeniable and not being able to share your experience with someone who means so much to you can really hurt the heart. Until this is resolved and you can (if you can) convince her to hear you out, use the nexus for that That's what we're all here for.... To learn, share, and expand Love and light to you!

 

[StormsEnd]

It's an interesting dilemma, isn't it? The majority of us who have done this thing are left in such a weird spot by not being able to convey the most profound experience we have ever undergone.

I have the good fortune to have somewhat curious parents and friends that are at least interested in hearing about what happened during my trips, though only my stepdad has gone ahead and smoked it himself. He got a sub-breakthrough experience and that was more than enough for him. But I definitely feel like I do the whole practice a disservice by even trying to explain what happened during my trips to those who ask, because the experience itself is almost totally unlanguageable. Because it is such an important thing to me, it feels like I am somehow detracting from it by confining it to such a rudimentary box that English lends.

People who are curious will be your best bet. If they are not even open to the idea of any sort of psychedelic experience then I find they are also closed to the most profound one of all. If they have taken mushrooms or LSD in the past and liked it, those are the people who have shown the most interest in both trip reports and actually doing it.

 

[Enoon]

I think one thing to remember is that this does not just happen with DMT but with lots of other things. In my social circles at the moment everyone is a diver, most of us are instructors or divemasters, but some significant others are barely divers if at all. When we have get-togethers these people are totally left out and no matter how we try to talk about other stuff we always end up talking about diving, or the underwater world.

Now that's ok, and the significant others know what they are getting into when signing up for a get-together with us. If it were like that at home with their partner all the time however they would probably not be too happy.

It's easy to get obsessed with things we love. It's easier if your partner is also into it - then the obsession can thrive and even be healthy. But when your partner feels left out or feels alienated by the energy you put into this thing that they find scary and overwhelming, dangerous or whatever (feelings that could relate to diving as well) a conflict is created. Your drive for exploration, your passion suddenly can't exist freely anymore.

There's no general solution to this problem, only individual solutions. Most importantly is mutual respect/tollerance and trust. Just because you don't share the same passion for some things doesn't mean it has to alienate you from each other - you just need to find a way to ballance both your freedom to expand yourself in the directions you believe are good, and the relationship you have to this other person - which includes sharing time and experiences of whatever nature. If you can mix the two, that's nice, but if you can't you just have to find a way to make it work. That is, if you want to make it work.

Obviously, sometimes it just doesn't work and a relationship ends up inhibiting growth and freedom rather than assisting it. I strongly believe that freedom (to grow and pursue your path) is the most important thing one can have, thus a relationship in which I inhibit my partner or them me is doing an injustice to both.

 

[HippingTrippY]

No you are not the only one who has felt this way. How to describe the indescribable? It's a naturally occuring brain chemical. The effects are gaurunteed to wear off. Everybody seems to talk about a deeper understanding of reality. Do ya have twenty minutes?


"Further up an further in"
ASlan

 

[ghosty]

No you are not the only one who has felt this way. How to describe the indescribable? It's a naturally occuring brain chemical. The effects are gaurunteed to wear off. Everybody seems to talk about a deeper understanding of reality. Do ya have twenty minutes?


"Further up an further in"
ASlan

I'm leaving to get in to work right now, but I can shoot you a message a little bit after I arrive.


All of this kind of harkens back to speeches I've heard Alan Watts give on the nature of duality.

 

[sartoriuswasahorse]

Such conflict! I send my love, im sorry to hear your in that situation :/ it's really disheartening. I it's like if you told someone that you knew the truth of life and the universe, given to you by some immense incomprehensible entity, would they believe it? Would they even want to listen? It really sucks. Not as extreme as that but a lot of people are really close minded about things outside of "normal reality", for many different reasons. We were all close minded about something at some point, even about stupid things like music genre some people break through that with curiosity and chance, some people don't, but we're limited in how much we can do to help our loved ones. Like for example, i know for sure i could never change my Dad's perspective of homosexuality, he doesn't hate gay people but he doesn't understand them. It wouldn't matter how many things i say about it, he'd have to come across understanding it himself, have his eyes opened by his own life experiences.

I hope things go well for you. It's a challenging siuation being where you are. You never know though, she may surprise you by herself. Do what's right for you and hopefully the pieces will fall into place. If you're both happy and not being inhibited (like Enoon says), things will hopefully continue growing happy between you