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Extraction Comparison Task via MHRB; Any volunteers?

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Viracocha

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this stems from: http://www.dmt-nexus.me/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3030 I'm thinking more and more that maybe those yellow/orange impurities actually add significantly (and in a good way) to the trip.. The first time i smoked dmt it was the BEST EVER and not in the standard 'the first joint i smoked was sooo good, none have been the same since' way, i mean it always took me to a specific place, very playful, clown jester girls with neat tricks, lots of ice cream lol very much like a circus, my circus.. and everytime i smoked this particular blend (pau d'arco changa (pm me if you've tried this one - melbourne + sydney)) - and all other blends have taken me elsewhere; yet i maintain this pau d'arco blend ALWAYS took me there i don't know what it is about that one, but i fucking loved it (not to be found again), and although i never saw the actual crystal that went into the leaf, i have a suspicion that maybe it was this oily gunky funky orange stuff i keep hearing about even spice ala the Lex tek (granted the spice is ultra-pure) does not take me to this place (i guess plant source / age / etc... has something to do with it also) anyway, to the point I want to find someone with access to MHRB who can perform comparative extractions (LexTek and MHRB Standard like Noman or Marsofold style) on the same batch of bark? ie, get 200 grams perform a standard extraction on 100g of the bark (please report which tek is used, but the idea is either an A/B to freeze precip like Marsofolds maybe with rextal, or a STB Noman style with or without rex) and perform the LexTek on the other 100g of bark LexTek: http://erowid.org/general/submissions/review_temp/LexTek_v1.pdf Actually, if you're really keen to experiment, how about get 300grams and: a) 100grams Noman style no rextal b) 100grams Noman style with rextal c) 100grams Coschi style (as is) Take photos of final products (and report yields), bio-essay and report qualitative differences (remember to try and keep all variable as constant as possible, eg: residual fucked'ness from the previous (or present) night) Muchos kudos to the taker of this extremely important task ..and now that i think of it, perhaps a little incentive a few hundred grams of acacia bark 8)
 
ouch ;) --- on that note, this is what has been previously found per batch using A/B... clear crystals smoke the best and are obviously the most potent. MUCH more potent...also, the density caused by the crystal makes it smoke easier and makes it hit harder. white powder is purer than yellow powder/crystals, but is harder to smoke because it is so fluffy. also, is more likely to burn than crystals. very little harshness. yellow crystals smoke much like clear crystals only are much harsher and create a larger pool of oil. yellow powder is the much like what you would think. brownish goo can get one very high, but is the harshest. still...if done right, it is very dense and can get one to the place. once, due to a LARGE change in humidity, yellow crystals/powder turned into a yellow goo. This stuff was possibly the 'hardest' to smoke, but could be mixed in with things in such a way that a pipe could be given 15-20 hits easy...gave great highs and allowed everyone to participate. no bioassays done... so, I guess the most conclusive thing that could be reached here besides the obvious is that generally not having a harsh smoking experience helps contribute to early relaxation and a good experience. good luck with this.
 
Doesn't the choice of NP solvent cause most of the differences in spice quality..? How does the tek difference mean much, if we are pulling from a basified solution in boyth cases...? Via A/B or STB, the first objective is to merely make the alkaloids become available to 'pull' out of the basified aqueous phase. So comparing A/B to STB may not make a big difference in quality (but I bet the mean quantity would differ between the two teks). I am wondering if in the 'old days' folks made MHRB extract using different solvents than today's choice of naphtha. DCM sounds interesting as its HEAVIER than water, and I wonder if using toulene to pull basified MHRB would yeild a reddish dmt-jungle spice mix..? And acacia will yeild a different spectrum of alkaloids than MHRB - so there's lots of science to do here then..! Yellow-spice is makes for a 'friendlier' trip - warmer and more coloured or memorable. Also, I have always forund the yellow oils help the bowl 'burn' better - they flame-up a bit and then make the vapour roar ! This alone makes for a better hit, but I bet the yellow oils carry other alkaloids too, probably MAOIs. In my still-newbie experience with taking MAOIs (rue extract) when vapourizing dmt, I have mused that the experience is SO UNLIKE it usually is with white-dmt, that it reminds me of Yellow-spice ... Really folks, I say that when doing dmt as infrequently as most of us do, it is worth it to plan for the event so you can drink Syrian Rue extract 45 minutes before smoking dmt. Smoking dmt on MAOIs is stunningly 'better' ! ... and is this the same difference we refer to in saying red and yellow-spice differ from white spice ?
 
[quote:5d4eca9ffc="El Ka Bong"] Yellow-spice is makes for a 'friendlier' trip - warmer and more coloured or memorable. Also, I have always forund the yellow oils help the bowl 'burn' better - they flame-up a bit and then make the vapour roar ! This alone makes for a better hit, but I bet the yellow oils carry other alkaloids too, probably MAOIs. In my still-newbie experience with taking MAOIs (rue extract) when vapourizing dmt, I have mused that the experience is SO UNLIKE it usually is with white-dmt, that it reminds me of Yellow-spice ... Really folks, I say that when doing dmt as infrequently as most of us do, it is worth it to plan for the event so you can drink Syrian Rue extract 45 minutes before smoking dmt. Smoking dmt on MAOIs is stunningly 'better' ! ... and is this the same difference we refer to in saying red and yellow-spice differ from white spice ?[/quote:5d4eca9ffc] :shock: You're right!! In the very limited experience I've had with white spice on top of caapi leaf it was VERY similar to the last high-dose yellow crystal experience. The thought/musing had halfway been made, but sometimes I guess seeing other people put it into words clarifies it! :)
 
whoa backup people firstly Elka, difference in tek can produce huge differences. If you take a look at the LexTek you'll notice it employs a double A/B. The key to purity is the second A done at room temps (ie: first A is a cook, both dmt.acetate and OILS (due to high temp) get into the water, basify + extract, now you have shellite with dmt base + oils.. if you let this cool and A again at room temp, the oils don't come across this time, only the spice, then B and extract your pure spice). This is done with perfectly reproducable results, take a look at what Noman did: [img:cf004a0528]http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/826/dsc0006wl1.jpg[/img:cf004a0528] [quote:cf004a0528]The one on right is from an A/B with defat with the solvent evaporated. The one on the left is from a Noman style STB with the solvent given the Coschi treatment and the resulting extraction freeze precipitated.[/quote:cf004a0528] the LexCoschi intial A/B can be replaced with STB, the key is the following A/B Tek makes a difference 8) and solvent choice but Naptha, Shellite, and possibly Fuelite, are all going to give pretty much the same results. If you pull with tolluene then you'll be looking at something different eitherway, back to the original question!
 
One difference that could change what goes into the NP-solvent, is the 'cooking'. Is heating done just to speed up the process, becuase it could also send other goodies in to the naphtha, no ? - Swim never heats anymore; both the acid soak and the naphtha are done at room temp.
 
SWIM was planning to try BAB on his upcoming extraction, and he would definitely consider doing half of this STB in the interests of scientific inquiry. However, his complete lack of camera and experience are serious obstacles to the reporting back part, and his non-standard solvent may influence results. He still has some freeze precip`d spice from his STB pilot extraction (same bark), and will report on his observations regardless.
 
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