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Extraction Critique Please :) ~!~

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rainbowserpent

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Hi all! Here on Mars, we are required to extract things from MHRB in order to breathe...that being said I met a martian who is planning on working this through, having never done this particular extraction before...so 'it' could really use your help. Thanks! The martian plans on initially putting 1lb of powdered MHRB in a large glass canning jar and then adding just enough of a pH 3-4 solution made of H20 and tartaric acid to cover the powder. [note...what is the best pH to use for this step? It has heard too high a pH and not all alkaloids will be extracted, whereas too low of a pH and too much oil/goo will be extracted along with the alkaloids]. After letting this soak for a period of time (a few hours), the martian plans on then pouring out the acidified liquid and repeating the process 2 more times, and then possibly evaporating down the mixture to a more appropriate volume. For this section, the martian plans on filtering each pour of extract through a metal strainer, then a metal coffee filter, then possibly cotton finishing with fine-particle filter paper...after which the paper will be washed with a tiny amount of solvent in order to wash it down [note...how important is a funnel for this step...is it required compared to say...paper filters in a metal coffee filter?]. The martian also is curious if all of those filtrations are required, though it has no problem doing them. After this, the solution will be put in a separatory funnel along with ~100mL of turpentine, and the mixture will gently be mixed and then allowed to separate, after which time the turpentine will be separated out and the wash will be done ~2 more times, or until the turpentine comes out clear. A final wash will be done using naphtha (or mineral spirits or isopropyl alcohol), as the martian believes this will help remove any suspended turpentine. [note: is this correct?] The martian then plans to make a pH solution ~13.5 of sodium hydroxide and H20 (of course adding lye to water) and then plans on slowly adding this to the acidified extract until the pH of that solution is 13 [note: are these the best pH numbers to use?]. After this, an amount of naphtha will be added to the solution (or mineral spirits. the source this martian is using says to use ~100mL of naphtha/g of expected DMT...the martian isn't entirely sure how much naptha to use for this stage) and the jar will be gently shaken and allowed to vent (this martian doesn't want to heat the solution up). Using a glass turkey baster, the martian then plans on separating the naptha/mineral spirits from the container and putting this to the side (and doing 2 more naptha/ms pulls). With this mix, the martian plans on doing a short water wash (with water at pH 8.5) and then separating out the naptha on to an evaporation dish. Finally, the martian plans on using either IA or naphtha to recrystalize the extract using a small amount of heated product and then freezing the mixture, after which the solution will be discarded while still at freezer temperature. [note: the martian isn't sure how safe the recrystalization sounds, and wonders how important this step is if proper defatting and washing is done] Thanks for reading that!!! Your comments, thoughts and revisions are greatly appreciated! :)
 
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well.. i think your going along the right lines, but its really much simpler than that or can be. as long as you are using mhrb, you can go straight to base. ie skipping the entire acidifying stage. the hardest and most important part is grinding up the mhrb. thats important to make sure you get all the magic out. the steps are like this. grind mhrb. put mhrb in a nice extraction vessel (i like big empty pickle jars) pour enough HOT (read was boiling a few min ago) distilled h20 into the vessel to cover the mhrb dust. make up a base solution in another container/measuring cup. strong basic solution. lye is your best friend on this. koh also works for this purpose. nothing precise is needed, just a strong basic solution. start slowing pouring in basic solution. you will notice a color change. it will go from pink to dark purple when you get the right ph. once its all turned purple add just a bit more basic solution and mix it up. pour in a nice 1/2 inch or so layer of vm&p naptha or shellite into the extraction vessel and mix it up real well. wait for it to seperate. if you did this all quickly while everything is still pretty hot.. it will seperate pretty quickly. some people preform the entire extraction in a hot water bath.. this not only aids seperation, but allows more dmt to be gotten per amount of solvent. the idea is naptha is a temperature specific solvent for dmt. at low temps it isnt very soluble at all, at high temps its very soluble. keeping it hot allows for more magic to get taken per pull. siphon off the naptha/shellite layer and put in another jar. repeat adding naptha/solvent, shaking, settling, syphoning 2-3 more times. take all your collected naptha, and you could either straight freeze precip or reduce in a hotwater bath (crockpot w/ the lid off the jar and a fan blowing fumes to prevent pooling works for me.) i prefer to reduce the amount of total solvent, then place it in the fridge or freezer... if i went fridge first ill let it sit there for a couple hours, then into the freezer. then after a day or so, decant off the naptha/shellite, turn jar upside down over something collective (like papertowels inside a tupperware that your jar is sitting upside down in) then after all naptha is gone, you just scrape and enjoy. it ommitts the filtering, and the acidification, and gives you a great end product.
 
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Free spirit - could you guestimate how much lye is used in your procedure? It seems as though you're basifying a quick tek like an A/B, which in my friend's experience, leaves a lot of spice behind. Coyote - point taken here's my thoughts, for what they're worth. A pH of 3 -4 is perfect. One should use more volume though - 2-3X the volume of the powder - and applying heat really speeds up the breakdown and extraction. The only filtering necessary is through a fine strainer and that is only so that one doesn't have a lot of particulate clogging up their sep funnel. Defatting is unnecessary with MHRB. Isopropyl alcohol is not a non polar solvent and will not separate from your solution. The best way to basify is to make a very strong lye solution and add small amounts until the solution turns black and feels slippery and soapy. Note how much solution it took to get there and then add an additional 25%. The naptha quantity sounds right. My friend would evap it down until it gets cloudy and then freeze precipitate it. This should give crystals like table salt that don't need recrystalization unless one wants them to be bigger.
 
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a strong base solution. enough to make the mhrb solution turn blackish purple. (for 1 cup of water id add a couple/few tablespoons... i typically just pour it in.. no need to be precise for this. ) ive gotten 10+ out of a kilo.. so im pretty sure im not leaving much behind. useta do an a/b, but dropped the acid step as it is unneeded.. ime and in others experience..
 
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