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Eyes Open or Eyes Closed?

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upwaysidedown

upwaysidedown

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Hi Nexus,

I've noticed some distinctly different types of experiences that people have, and also there are differences about what people describe as a breakthrough.

I've only ever journeyed into hyperspace (via smoalking/vaping) from a laying down position with a blindfold - and I regularly get dropped into a very similar space, and I note that some of you have mentioned or implied quite the opposite of sitting up and more importantly with eyes open - and I am wondering if this has a specific effect such as taking you to a different place.

Is there a distinct eyes-open breakthrough?

I know a lot of this will be very subjective and vary from person to person, but what are your preferences? And how do you think this affects the experience.

With injested e.g. Aya I would assume that this is a choice for the peak and you can approach it more slowly, but I am yet to successfully experience this.
 
I find it becomes a huge effort to have my eyes open and find I don't really want to. At a certain intensity it becomes meaningless and I have no idea whether I do or don't!
 
I generally find I have a more clear and uninterrupted experience with my eyes closed... on a high dose I spose I am not really aware of whether they are open or closed, but most times on a deep breakthrough I will open my eyes at the end to find myself back in physical reality, so I think I might be closing them somewhat autonomously as I go into the experience. certainly if I'm teetering between a physically bound experience and a more immersive one (like the 20-25mg range) I find closed eyes to be crucial in gaining the insight of the trip.. especially if done during the day in a well lit environment.. but if the visual stimulation is minimal and lighting is quite dark or non existent, it doesn't really matter whether they are open or closed
 
OK, this is what I thought. I had tried fully eyes open once, but really missed out on the other world - and the altered perception of our usual reality was a very mild experience in comparison (especially without harmalas). It sounds like excess visual input somehow grounds us from accessing the other world.

My best of both worlds is 7 minutes in hyperspace after harmalas and vaping, then a good 20-30 mins of altered reality and reflection before slowly landing at baseline. So my next questions is, has anyone had a really extended time in hyperspace (in objective time, rather than subjective)? Is this possible with Oral administration, or is the peak breakthrough generally always a limited amount of time?

Also has anyone had some form of eyes-open full vision (i.e. containing objects/entities and/or spaces that were not normally there when not in darkness? And if so was it hyperspace like or something else?
 
upwaysidedown said:
has anyone had a really extended time in hyperspace (in objective time, rather than subjective)? Is this possible with Oral administration, or is the peak breakthrough generally always a limited amount of time?
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Absolutely. I have had over 2hrs with oral use and a pharmaceutical MOAI.

upwaysidedown said:
Also has anyone had some form of eyes-open full vision (i.e. containing objects/entities and/or spaces that were not normally there when not in darkness? And if so was it hyperspace like or something else?
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Definitely. In broad daylight just before breakthrough I've had my bed turn into a yellow/orange sea and all sorts!
 
Thanks Zknarc,

I really had no idea that was possible, my one try with Oral yielded no effect - but I was going light I suppose (if you will excuse the pun), and ended up vaping which still was quite a short time.

Not sure I would get the increased benefit from such a long experience, although it would give the teachers a little more time to hammer the messages in.

I know one experience is never much like another, but for the Oral route is it very much the same thing as vaping but longer, or a milder experience over that time?

Anyway, I just tried to spend some time with eyes open after a vape (as the rue harmalas kept the mindset going), but I was told to sit up straight, sit on the floor, face the windows (West), get into full lotus and Om which I did for some time with my eyes closed (also by request).

So looks like I should be asking them what I need to do rather than trying to rationalise, analyse and work out a formula. They even want me to start from that position next time, lets see if I can stick to that and not wuss out under a duvet.
 
I definitely agree that having eyes closed is the most beneficial but there have been many times where I couldn't tell the difference whatsoever. During one of my first breakthroughs it was a bit unpleasant. I was transported midway through my second hit through strange symbology where I landed in some oval room with "spaceship" qualities. While there, an Entity told me I was not welcome and to not return. Being one of my first times, I was terrified and tried to escape by blinking my eyes, waving my arms etc but it didn't matter, I was there and there was no way to leave. Nothing made much sense because I was there but fully aware of my physical body, which is unusual for me, almost as if it came with me just to make me uncomfortable... I don't know, I just had to ride it out.

Eyes open or closed were the same thing at that point up until I started coming down from the experience. Since then, I was shown by a more friendly Being that that experience was but a mere fraction of what the DMT world can be.

These days, I take my changa in one hit, close my eyes and then I lie down (typically in bed under blankets). But like I said, most times it is so intense that I can't even remember what my physical eyes are let alone how to use them. At a certain point, everything blends together...it is quite hard to articulate the completely immersive experiences.

All I know for certain is that it flings my mind's eye WIDE OPEN...and then when I'm back on Earth I ask my physical eyes,

"did you just see that too!?"

😁
 
upwaysidedown said:
Thanks Zknarc,

I really had no idea that was possible, my one try with Oral yielded no effect - but I was going light I suppose (if you will excuse the pun), and ended up vaping which still was quite a short time.

Not sure I would get the increased benefit from such a long experience, although it would give the teachers a little more time to hammer the messages in.

I know one experience is never much like another, but for the Oral route is it very much the same thing as vaping but longer, or a milder experience over that time?
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I have only used DMT orally, I'm not a smoker and the short duration doesn't appeal. With proper MAO inhibition there is certainly nothing mild about it, the onset is I'm sure more gradual but the breakthrough into hyperspace is all there.

I'm not sure about plant-based MAOIs but I have to wait at least 2.5hrs (ideally a bit more) to get proper MAO inhibition.
 
zknarc said:
I'm not sure about plant-based MAOIs but I have to wait at least 2.5hrs (ideally a bit more) to get proper MAO inhibition.
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Cool, I will be trying this in the future. I did try Caapi tea, but it was pretty much a non-event. After 2 hours nothing. But the FB was in the tea, so maybe that was a mistake, or maybe my Caapi was dud. Really low yield trying to extract from it.

I've read a lot of the Pharma threads, but I still can't figure what a good dose would be. Something like 200mg Harmala, then wait 2 hours and take 100mg FB solution? A lot of the pharma conversations seem to imply waiting only 30 mins - I would be worried about it fading after 2 hours.

So, though don't answer if this is prying, but I assume your MAOIs may be prescription based or something?

It won't be till summer if I go this way, so plenty of time.
 
Closed eye visuals I like transitioning enclosed eye to open eye slowly and sometimes they get so intense I don't even know if my eyes are open or closed :p
 
upwaysidedown said:
zknarc said:
I'm not sure about plant-based MAOIs but I have to wait at least 2.5hrs (ideally a bit more) to get proper MAO inhibition.
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Cool, I will be trying this in the future. I did try Caapi tea, but it was pretty much a non-event. After 2 hours nothing. But the FB was in the tea, so maybe that was a mistake, or maybe my Caapi was dud. Really low yield trying to extract from it.

I've read a lot of the Pharma threads, but I still can't figure what a good dose would be. Something like 200mg Harmala, then wait 2 hours and take 100mg FB solution? A lot of the pharma conversations seem to imply waiting only 30 mins - I would be worried about it fading after 2 hours.

So, though don't answer if this is prying, but I assume your MAOIs may be prescription based or something?

It won't be till summer if I go this way, so plenty of time.
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I'm not sure about how the MAO inhibition varies with time and dose via harmalas. Things like this are one reason I took a pharma MOAI I'm more comfortable knowing exactly what I'm taking, in what dose and without nausea. I use Moclobemide (this is important, it is a reversible MAOI unlike most of the others) and it is ruthlessly efficient at MAO inhibition even at 150mgs. It is a prescription med but easily bought cheaply online without one from oceania-based pharmacies.
 
I strive to keep them open as long as I can... most of the time they end up closing by themselves! (or is it the vision pulling so much attention inward?)

There is just something about watching the room you are in turn from 3D to 4D in a matter of 30 seconds.
 
for sub-breakthrough travels, i always close my eyes. in fact, i like this special eye covering called a "mind fold" which has cutouts for your eyes so even though they're covered, one can keep eyes wide open in pure darkness.

earbuds and mindfold for sub-breakthrough always...i have a special playlist just for these travels...

for breakthrough, i find it really doesn't make any difference. in fact, upon returning i am never really sure if they were open or closed.
 
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