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F**k DMT

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I was doing pretty good. Four months without tripping after two years of weekly oral DMT trips.
If you were doing so well without DMT, then why would you decide to try it again?

While sober I had moments of clarity, saw DMT as a crutch that can deceive even the most brilliant minds and perhaps is the perfect drug for intellectual, articulate, and educated people. It plays with logic, amplifies speculation, and pushes the PROFOUND button in the brain.
How do you know what are the effects of DMT on brilliant minds? Since when can a drug deceive? How do you know what is the perfect drug for intellectual, articulate, and educated people?

Slowly and imperceptibly I let my guard down and the friendliness and fond memories of DMT overpowered and silenced the addictive and mind-dumbing effects of this drug. Fuck.
Memories, fond or otherwise, can’t silence addictive effects of a drug. If this was the case, then we’d have a new cure for drug addiction.

Alas, after some distance I decided to have a friendly oral DMT trip of 85mg of yellow spice and 200mg of harmalas.
Why, why , why, WHY? And since when can you “decide” that a trip will be friendly?

This was a superbly light dose for me and I expected a lazy trip into hyperspace floating on purple pink clouds.
Why would you expect a particular kind of trip? Haven’t your past experiences taught you anything?! (Obviously not!)

After two hours I unexpectedly blasted through the membrane and entered full blown hyperspace. Thoughts cascaded upon each other, blasted each other, fucked each other and then raped each other. Truths were revealed and then crumbed before my eyes as lies. Paradoxes of philosophy danced before me as layer after layer of bullshit piled up to infinity. Madness ensued.
Boo-hoo. You had a bad experience. Is this a big surprise?

Finally – My sober mind is a relativistic thinking organ. I don’t believe in right or wrong or morality - I think it is all opinions of the powerful forced upon the rest of us. And then I experience true Evil. It is addiction and my drug of choice is DMT. This plant chemical invades my mind like a virus, floods me with feelings of euphoria and mysticism, and then leaves me wanting more. Fuck you.
DMT is not an addictive drug. Maybe you’re creating an illusion of addiction to avoid dealing with real problems in your life?

Addiction is a bitch. Thank God for my mom to talk me out of bad trips. Nothing like a mother’s love. I swear I am never doing this bullshit, evil, seductive, manipulative, destructive drug again. It’s poison.
Haven’t we heard all of this before?
 
rOm said:
Until next time...
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Life is continual integration, weather you acknowledge it or not your mind will continue to integrate those experiences, IMO that process will never leave you.

You are modified for life joebono. Never ever forget-

You may leave hyperspace forever but hyperspace will NEVER leave you.

and thats not a bad thing.

I had to quote rOm because I believe that what he says is true.

You'll be back. You'll be back, not because you are an addict. You'll be back because of some events in your personal life that will make you think you need to go.

integrate first joebono. integrate first.
 
How can one man's ego be so big... I think one is mad considering his opinions and experiences are true for everyone. Ridiculous and what's worse is spreading this stuff on an online forum. This guy is clearly a mess.

On the point of DMT being addictive: I consider it actually takes courage to overcome the fear of stepping into the unknown and after you have been there it's not unusual that one will never return, just because the experience is way powerful.
 
xtechre said:
I don't know, but i don't believe DMT is an addictive substance... not at all.
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DMT dosen't seem to have any addictive properties by definition, but anything can be addictive in a sence to the individual.

I'm one of thoughs people who hallucinogens just aren't for(Other than the mildest MJ). To be honest, they freak me out on an extreme paranoid level. I just can't get comfortable, anxiety at a max with a constant feeling that im about to loose it. And thats without even reaching the point of actually hallucinating. Just the thought of im about to trip completely freaks me out.

But thoughs are my problems, i wish i could fix them so i could experience the beautiful visions(even the odd ones), but i'm tired of the stress in the attempt and have came to the conclusion that its just not for me. The more natural way is for me, or better phrased non-drug induced visions by meditation, though it is way harder to reach, i've not even come close.

But i still see nothing wrong with other people using them, only a selfish person would have a problem with it.
 
I was thrown off by the dates. I though I wound up in a time warp. Pretty simple advise has been given - give it up. You won't find what you're looking for with this. Doesn't make it wrong just not right for you.
 
Cheeto said:
But thoughs are my problems, i wish i could fix them so i could experience the beautiful visions(even the odd ones), but i'm tired of the stress in the attempt and have came to the conclusion that its just not for me. The more natural way is for me, or better phrased non-drug induced visions by meditation, though it is way harder to reach, i've not even come close.
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Non-drug induced visions are not unheard of but extremely rare... I don't think meditation should be used with a goal of seeing visions, more like to observe and calm the mind. Have you considered observing your mind with meditation to get rid of "thoughts that are your problems" instead of using it as medium for visions? Buddhist vipassana meditation is quite good technique, but I consider meditation is best without any techniques.

If some "guru" of sort has told that you can see visions through meditation, one should use skepticism but not conclude them as impossible.

For non drug induced visions there are also some techniques such as holotropic breathwork and such... I don't give these much value because I consider that there is a reason human has the tools of the entheogens at hand, for we are not naturally made to be "visionaries" in our daily lives. Just my thoughts...
 
tele said:
Non-drug induced visions are not unheard of but extremely rare... I don't think meditation should be used with a goal of seeing visions, more like to observe and calm the mind. Have you considered observing your mind with meditation to get rid of "thoughts that are your problems" instead of using it as medium for visions? Buddhist vipassana meditation is quite good technique, but I consider meditation is best without any techniques.

If some "guru" of sort has told that you can see visions through meditation, one should use skepticism but not conclude them as impossible.
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No, no guru told me. I've read of monks having visions through meditation, as well as tribes which use pain as a way to get to the same place in your mind that induces visions, the trance state. And its also not about just clearing your mind, its about losing your awareness that your sitting there with your eyes closed. being aware of your thoughts can also aid the process, or it can hurt the process, the goal is to go deep into your mind, like lucid dreaming, while forgetting your body and enviroment. To tune this world out.
 
Cheeto said:
No, no guru told me. I've read of monks having visions through meditation, as well as tribes which use pain as a way to get to the same place in your mind that induces visions, the trance state. And its also not about just clearing your mind, its about losing your awareness that your sitting there with your eyes closed. being aware of your thoughts can also aid the process, or it can hurt the process, the goal is to go deep into your mind, like lucid dreaming, while forgetting your body and enviroment. To tune this world out.
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By referring to a "guru" I meant anyone who considers to be "deep meditator", such as the ones in your book.
I have been in India researching eastern methods for almost a year and like McKenna I have found it somewhat empty when asking "what can you show me".

Sure, there are many ways to get into deeper meditation, such as fasting and not sleeping for extended period. But the first way of course is dedicating most of your life to this practice, if you truely are going to lose yourself while meditating. And this really is equal to becoming a monk, and still it will take many many years to refine the practice to lose one's self or see visions.
My point is that one should not meditate because of the cool states it can bring to one, such as visions and losing awareness of the body, but more like to observe yourself and whatever is in one's mind, this is even more rewarding if done correctly.
I have been meditating on and off for some three years myself...

If you feel like exploring natural trance states then do not forget the power of dance and music. Not only in the modern sense, but such as the ancient shamans did it with their drums, dance and singing(at least in the north).
 
i understand what your saying and that your trying to help. But i hardly ever just jump to a conclusion, so it is somewhat offensive when you suggest that i get the idea from a book i just read or something along thoughs lines. I have a brain also, and i like to use it.


Here's my break down of the idea.

1) manmy many years of reading about meditation, and yes, the fact that vision's are rare, but not non-existant. As you stated yourself.

2) Countless years of poundering the ideas and my own ideas to come to an answer that sits well with me.

3) the understanding that while hallucinogens do make you hallucinate, they also get you deep in the mind(to me, the same state)

4) the fact that i'm aware it dosen't have to take a life time of pratice to achieve it, that is an assumption bassed off an average. - Example, i was playing with the possibility of TK along time ago, got board because lack of anything impressive. While sitting there tired, with eyes open, i drifted off in thought, within only a few seconds, with my eyes open, i had an OBE. Now call an OBE what you want, weather real or hallucination, it is the state i'm trying to reach again. I'm counting on it being a hallucination, which means i quickly reached that state by just drifting off and hallucinated without even trying to meditate, and it only took a few seconds to get there.


I know it can be hard, but it can also be easy, like just stated. The point is to not think about the goal, but to get lost in your own mind.
 
NO psych should be tripped that often..

i did 2ce/i/lsd every other week for about 3 months one summer and had very strong after effects. for along time.

i want to slap every person that calls it or treats it like 'a businessman's trip'. u cant smoke the shit liek pot. i waited YEARS to do it. i havent done a full dose since like my 5th pull. ive made and kept ALOT since then, but i dont do it much. i will indulge in a 15-20mg dose mixed with pot every few months but no more than that as i feel it a disrespectful way to consume dmt. too recreational.

i go the spurts of doing it, mostly when i find a new group to turn on(i dont give it to anyone unless i can talk to them for days or weeks before. 85% of the time i vape the bowl for them personally. it isnt to be sold. i have 10g of it. a lifetime supply. its tempting to sell it. but no. what would that make me? the guy who sold someone a psychedelic that actually was one of the horor stories from DEA memos? here smoke this and go insane.... they need to KNOW and have a feeling for it first.

i charge 10$ for the experience of my hours of education, 50mg of spice, and 3-4hrs of my time doing it with you. and half the time i dont even ask for that, just enough times to buy more bark.

its just not the kind of drug you have used it as. i have a bit of a here and there love of opiates. i couldnt keep 10mg of extracted oxycodone around for a day. let alone 10g! ill have this spice forever.

on a side note, freebased yopo seeds(not extracted, just de-shelled, ground, naphtha pull for fats, toasted, Cal OH, and a wash.) have proved to me a possible addiction for some people. ive only done super tiny doses, but its pure love and happy. like what a cigarette was when i was 17. except with lots more mdma.
 
DMT, as well as other psychedelics, dissolve all barriers within our selves and so lets us see into ourselves objectively.
It dissolves one's Ego and so allows one to see themselves, as well as the world, in a more complete way.

This also means it will make us see the dark, insane parts of ourselves and of the world around us.
The dark side is merely a part of what we are; we would not know ourselves, nor this world, completely if we weren't aware of it.

So you took DMT and DMT showed you a very dark, insane part of yourself; You speak of thoughts raping eachother, beliefs comming into existance and then being revealed as lies.
You should be most gratefull to DMT for it having showed you that part of yourself that desperately needs attention and healing.

Had DMT, or anything else, never made you aware of this you might have never discovered this disease/insanity within you.
A disease/imbalance can only be healed if it is first diagnosed and recognised for what it exactly is.

Furthermore; I cannot see a reason why anyone would want to drink ayahuasca or anahuasca weekly. seems like outright abuse to me.
I would advise you to fear your own tendency to abuse, rather than the potential means you might use to practice your abuse.

I think of Psychedelics as marvelous tools for self exploration and self realisation.
And yet if I were to eat magic mushrooms weeekly I'm pretty sure that sooner or later this would do very "evil" things with me.

It may be no wonder that you have been so troubled with "digesting" these experiences into your worldview; If you take Ayahuasca WEEKLY you don't give yourself much time at all to integrate these experiences into your worldview.

Taking Ayahuasca, or any Psychedelic substance, weekly is a pretty fool proof recipe for an intellectual/mental and emotional overload.
What else did you expect?
 
Tangarine_Dreams said:
i charge 10$ for the experience of my hours of education, 50mg of spice, and 3-4hrs of my time doing it with you. and half the time i dont even ask for that, just enough times to buy more bark.
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So you're selling dmt here?

Explain yourself. I don't care the amount or the time you spend with the person, your post reads that you supply dmt to people for money.
 
Tangarine_Dreams said:
i charge 10$ for the experience of my hours of education, 50mg of spice, and 3-4hrs of my time doing it with you. and half the time i dont even ask for that, just enough times to buy more bark.
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It amazes me that you have been here on the DMT-Nexus for over a year and still talk about selling. There is a good reason why we don't like that.

It is clearly stated in the attitude page that selling/buying is bad news:
Attitude said:
• No discussion is allowed about selling drugs, buying drugs, prices of drugs or trading drugs. This includes all isolated psychedelic compounds and RCs (Research Chemicals), whether they are legal or not. The only goods allowed to be discussed in the Supplier's section are legal ethnobotanicals and legal/unwatched chemical supplys.
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Due to selling and buying we are now getting these 'DMT busts' in the news, the media loves to give DMT a bad name since such headlines sells much better than the truth. Thank you for ruining it for us. :roll:

You are now on a nice holiday away from the DMT-Nexus aka suspended.


The Traveler
 
Charging money for DMT is very very wrong

Anyway, on the part of DMT being addictive, Terence Mckenna says quite well on the last quarter of this video, do check it out:


The whole clip is actually quite good.
 
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