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BubbleCat

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I was cutious, did anybody investigate the following already:

Lets assume we could simply provide perfect conditions for any plant with ease, so the complications coming with supplying a good growing conditions are irrelevant in the following. Also ease of harvest shpuldnt be a factor. Which plant would then be the most productive DMT source. I see this runs into a problem: ONE plant would mean one Phalaris vs one Mimosa for example. So the rules might be as follows: A pot or growing space, that barely is large enough for the plant with the most needs in space that entwrs the contest, must be decidet on. All contestant plants would then be allowed to occupy the whole theoretical space, like we had a Mimosa and in an equal pot we grew as much Phalaris as would fit. The the basic question would be: Wich plant scores most in (relevant) biomass production x DMT concentration in the (relevant) biomass.

I do see how this is highly theoretically, since I have already ruled out certain important factors, like ease of harvest, ease of supplying growing conditions and if the plant is going to be consumed at time T or will be an evergreen DMT source. Still I would be interested if anyone has already questioned this and has basic or elaborate answers to this.

If one went by the space criteria and different representants of the following I guess a Acacia would need most growing space, luckily basic math will supply tha answers by going (relevant) biomass/ growing area/ time = score

Acacia
Anandenanthera
Arundo
Delosperma
Desmanthus
Desmodium
Diplopterys
Phalaris
Phragmites
Petalostylis
Lespedeza
Mimosa
Mucuna
Horsfieldia
Iryanthera
Ostheoplhoem
Virola
Psychotria

Does anyone know which one would be probably a winner in this, does anyone know where one could get relevant data without needing to grow and test them all (concentrations are all ober the web that shouldnt be a problem) how about biomass production and space needed ? Does anyone have personal experience, like "I'm getting much from my home grown X while my home grown Y is nearly ornamental only and hardly gives anything ?

Thanks for any enlightment :)
 
What's the purpose of this thread?

The first thing that comes to mind is the old addage:

"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is."
 
Regarding the purpose: Well I am wondering so I ask a question hoping to get answers, so my (and maybe others) interest can be satisfied. The "purpose" of the question, except from being just interesting is: If one wanted to grow all his DMT himself, what plants would he want to get and which plants would he rather not want to get because they'll produce DMT to slow for a given amount of space they take.

Phalaris appears sensible, I would have guessed its one - if not the - first ranking plants. I dont have an AQ1 clones but many Phalaris I found wild. I think if no one has an answer to the question I should really start to keep good track when ever I get new plants containing DMT, since I guess a ranking of this kind could be helpfull.

Thanks so far, but all days havent endet yet, so if I find out something, or someone knows something: Post :)
 
You want to establish what is the "best productive DMT source" but you are forgetting about the ease of extraction from one plant to the next which may affect how quickly you get to the product. If you want to rule that out as well then just simply ask which plant in the world produces under perfect conditions the highest amount of DMT per m2 (already answered: AQ1 strain of phallaris). Which imho is only a nice botanical question to ask but has no practical implication as to how fast you will be able (if at all) to get that spice out of the plant material.

A much more interesting question would be, considering all variables which you ruled out, which plant would be on average the fastest producer of spice (i don't know if this question has been answered already, did not check)
 
Well of course I have used the search function and not much came out, os I ask. Yes it is obvious those factors play a role but then again they play a very individual role, so the result could not be valid for everyone.

Its correct that the nature of the question, or research I'm planning on, is highly scientifically. Maybe from my "Hello" thread it becomes apparent I am very interested in biology and biology simply put is science. Sadly I can not post this kind of question on forums I visit for pure biological questions, so I post it here and I hope you dont feel offendet by that :)

I have many plants growing and many of them are in controlled environments set up ranging from many tropical species all the way to boreal species and even the meconopsis aculeata that has a cooling system devoted to it because otherwise I couldnt get it through summer. Also I am not shy of chemistry and have necessary equiptment and I dont know much but do have enough experience with extraction and seperation so I dont need to bother much about what else comes with the biomass in question. I think the learning and applying of chemistry is pretty vital here and also "pays" if the botanical component is productive enough.
So as you see in my personal case the ease of extraction and the supplyin of the growing conditions wouldnt bother me much.

Of course I'd still be interested about your opinion on the question you've raised: what if we cancel all "ifs" out and take things as they are, which plant are you most happy with in terms of overall effort you have to put in a specific quantity of DMT.

I'm just asking :)

Regarding 4-PO-DMT: Afaik it only occurs in mushrooms, unfortunately I have never (purposely :D ) incubated mushrooms so I have no idea here. It would be nice to get started with mushrooms one day. If only the plants wouldnt consume my time :D
 
BubbleCat said:
Yes it is obvious those factors play a role but then again they play a very individual role, so the result could not be valid for everyone.
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This was the point of my first post.

When it comes to growing plants, no result will be "valid for everyone." That's just not how it works. As a scientifically-minded grower, I'm sure you understand this :)

Pick things that seem interesting to you, grow them out, see what happens. %alk can vary among specimens, based on a number of variables, some genetic, some environmental. Ime, the theoretical yields are less important than the actual yields, and you simply won't know those until you start growing these plants for yourself.

Good luck :thumb_up:
 
BubbleCat said:
Its correct that the nature of the question, or research I'm planning on, is highly scientifically. Maybe from my "Hello" thread it becomes apparent I am very interested in biology and biology simply put is science. Sadly I can not post this kind of question on forums I visit for pure biological questions, so I post it here and I hope you dont feel offendet by that :)
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Nobody feels offended and you should also not feel bad about being criticized. That's the whole point here! We are just trying to get a hold of where you are trying to get to.
 
Dont worry :D I dont feel bad. Neither did I see criticism, just no one wondering the same :D I'll simply follow my intentions, since it appears there is no data of that kind available yet, and post as soln as I came to conclusions. I hoped someone else wonders the same thing because obviously, since "DMT is everywhere" I can not evaluate every single species. I'll try to note as kuch as I can anyway, time to stock up on DMT containing plants :D

The evaluation I'm interested in is basically like any cost calculation process, every type of evaluation has its tradeoffs, its about finding which fits one best (depending on skills resources motivation ...) and apply it.
 
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